Garda Recruitment- The Waiting to Apply Room

Scouser · 16-12-2013 01:44PM

djor88 wrote: »

Jaysus, the pay looks absolutely ****e, without the rent allowance and other allowances it's criminal to pay Police Officers so little, still going for it but with serious thoughts on the pay...

on that money you will be still be able to live with mammy - forever

silver linings and all that.....

djor88 · 16-12-2013 01:47PM

I honestly don't think a person could live on that, doing 6 shifts in a row, dealing with all sorts of things, then trying to struggle to pay for a crappy share flat/house somewhere in a ****ty dublin suburb. There would literally be no money left for anything, forget holidays, buying a house or car etc... I'm currently on a lot better money, but the Guards is the job I want and it nearly sickens me that I still want it even though that pay is so low. Makes me feel like a sucker

mfergus · 16-12-2013 01:59PM

djor88 wrote: »

I honestly don't think a person could live on that, doing 6 shifts in a row, dealing with all sorts of things, then trying to struggle to pay for a crappy share flat/house somewhere in a ****ty dublin suburb. There would literally be no money left for anything, forget holidays, buying a house or car etc... I'm currently on a lot better money, but the Guards is the job I want and it nearly sickens me that I still want it even though that pay is so low. Makes me feel like a sucker

Do you think it's worth doing? I know some people say it's not about the money, but that's easier said than done.

If it is 23000 per annum. That's 440 per week, before tax.

knock off 30 euro for health insurance, 5 euro for life assurance, 5 euro for gra subscription, tandem there's probably other optional deductions that are necessary..

So now it's down to 400 a week before tax, prsi, pension levy, usc!

Devil08 · 16-12-2013 01:59PM

djor88 wrote: »

I honestly don't think a person could live on that, doing 6 shifts in a row, dealing with all sorts of things, then trying to struggle to pay for a crappy share flat/house somewhere in a ****ty dublin suburb. There would literally be no money left for anything, forget holidays, buying a house or car etc... I'm currently on a lot better money, but the Guards is the job I want and it nearly sickens me that I still want it even though that pay is so low. Makes me feel like a sucker

Im the same. Really need to get clarification on the terms of pay, allowances etc before I can make a decision on this.
Before they used to have full details in the info documents on the salary. Just saying its 23000 isnt enough info.
Maybe they are trying to rope people in and then hitting them with the salary info when its too late to go back!
Disheartening to think you could be paid so little for what the job entails. Police in other countries are on crazy money!

thestar · 16-12-2013 02:09PM

Its far too vague at the moment

Ted_almighty · 16-12-2013 02:17PM

Are serving Garda allowed to have business interests?

In a nutshell I run a small shop and my intention would be to hire someone full time to replace me. Do-able?

Devil08 · 16-12-2013 02:29PM

Ted_almighty wrote: »

Are serving Garda allowed to have business interests?

In a nutshell I run a small shop and my intention would be to hire someone full time to replace me. Do-able?

depends what you sell in your 'small shop' :P
Is it down a dark alley with red neon lights in the windows?

Ted_almighty · 16-12-2013 02:39PM

Devil08 wrote: »

depends what you sell in your 'small shop' :P
Is it down a dark alley with red neon lights in the windows?

Ah you know us well!! :P

No, its one of those Mobile Phone/Laptop repair deals. Shouldn't be an issue Id have thought.

senordingdong · 16-12-2013 02:45PM

Wouldn't be too sure.

Anything that can bring the risk of a bankruptcy declaration will not be looked well upon.

Devil08 · 16-12-2013 02:48PM

Ted_almighty wrote: »

Ah you know us well!! :P

No, its one of those Mobile Phone/Laptop repair deals. Shouldn't be an issue Id have thought.

I heard you cant have another job anyway, not sure about having someone else run a business for you.
Sure didnt that detective work as an actor in Love/Hate! There is certain rules to it anyway

djor88 · 16-12-2013 03:31PM

Yeah it's a hard auld job to do especially on that type of money, it really is disgraceful. I'm sure with allowances etc it'll come up a bit but i'd be expecting to be starting on somewhere between 400-450 a week take home, anything less than that would be very very tough to live on for anyone even without commitments, forget about someone that may have a child/mortgage/debt of any kind... It's the problem with a job like this, it's more of a calling for alot of people, myself included, and the fact is that people like me will go for this job regardless of the salary, so they really can use people and treat us like dirt if they want. Sad and very disheartening to see such low wages on offer.

mycro89 · 16-12-2013 03:46PM

djor88 wrote: »

Yeah it's a hard auld job to do especially on that type of money, it really is disgraceful. I'm sure with allowances etc it'll come up a bit but i'd be expecting to be starting on somewhere between 400-450 a week take home, anything less than that would be very very tough to live on for anyone even without commitments, forget about someone that may have a child/mortgage/debt of any kind... It's the problem with a job like this, it's more of a calling for alot of people, myself included, and the fact is that people like me will go for this job regardless of the salary, so they really can use people and treat us like dirt if they want. Sad and very disheartening to see such low wages on offer.

Is there a massive variance in pay in comparison to previous years when the recruits qualified? I think people should remember that no matter job you go into you are always going to be on low income for the first few years regardless.

TheNog · 16-12-2013 04:40PM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

All that was before the Croke Park and Haddington Road agreement. Overtime is at a minimum and paid at a lesser rate than before. You now are working longer hours with a serious impact on family life. The only advantage is if you are in a position to do nixers because of the extra days off.

The new applicants are going to get their eyes opened very quickly as to the terrible wages they will be getting in comparison to jobs they are in now.

Your post is not entirely true. Rent allowance is still not set in stone.

Haddington Rd/Croke Park agreements: OT is at 1 1/4 for voluntary OT but directed OT remains the same. Shifts are now 10hrs with minimum 11hrs break between shifts to ensure quality of life/family. Work 3 days extra per annum as follows 2x10 hr days and 10x1 hr days. In return you get TOIL at time and half.

Some members like the new shift patterns and some don't. I do prefer the new roster over the old one by far due to increased time off between shifts. Voluntary OT is pretty much non existent so there is minimal difference there.

These are the things people should be probably researching and should have a good idea about already.

No one should be joining this job to become wealthy. You will be comfortable but if people want the job for the money only then I reckon it won't suit a lot of people.

djor88 · 16-12-2013 04:45PM

theres a big enough difference in starting wage but the main worry is the allowances, if they get rid of the majority of those, such as the rent allowance, there will be a massive gap in what a new Garda will be earning compared to his/her colleagues

TheNog · 16-12-2013 04:45PM

mycro89 wrote: »

Is there a massive variance in pay in comparison to previous years when the recruits qualified? I think people should remember that no matter job you go into you are always going to be on low income for the first few years regardless.

There is a no real difference in basic pay. Problem was a few ago Gardai worked a lot of OT to supplement their wages. Back then it was normal to work between 40 to 100hrs OT a roster.

There is some OT going but it's not a frequent or reliable as previous years

TheNog · 16-12-2013 04:49PM

djor88 wrote: »

theres a big enough difference in starting wage but the main worry is the allowances, if they get rid of the majority of those, such as the rent allowance, there will be a massive gap in what a new Garda will be earning compared to his/her colleagues

See a lot of ye are getting confused here with allowances. Rent was the only allowance up for abolition for new entrants but there is no word if its gone or not. The other allowances we get will be the same for new members.

Anyone want to email HR?

djor88 · 16-12-2013 05:53PM

TheNog wrote: »

See a lot of ye are getting confused here with allowances. Rent was the only allowance up for abolition for new entrants but there is no word if its gone or not. The other allowances we get will be the same for new members.

Anyone want to email HR?

Thanks TheNog, just a lot of rumours and figures flying about the place, if they do abolish the Rent Allowance that would make a big difference!

senordingdong · 16-12-2013 10:08PM

djor88 wrote: »

Thanks TheNog, just a lot of rumours and figures flying about the place, if they do abolish the Rent Allowance that would make a big difference!

True that. I know that there is alot of very serious talk of actually abolishing the RA for new entrants, but how can AGS pay two officers that are doing the same job, diffefently? Isn't that illeagal.

redout · 16-12-2013 10:21PM

senordingdong wrote: »

True that. I know that there is alot of very serious talk of actually abolishing the RA for new entrants, but how can AGS pay two officers that are doing the same job, diffefently? Isn't that illeagal.

Sure isn't it happening to nurses?

senordingdong · 16-12-2013 10:40PM

redout wrote: »

Sure isn't it happening to nurses?

Couldn't say.
But isn't it a European Court ruling that two people doing the same job have to be paid the same?

Then again, like the 10% cut to all civil servants who started in 2011, it could inevitably be reversed.

Just a ploy to save a few bob in the short term.

Devil08 · 17-12-2013 01:50PM

senordingdong wrote: »

Couldn't say.
But isn't it a European Court ruling that two people doing the same job have to be paid the same?

Then again, like the 10% cut to all civil servants who started in 2011, it could inevitably be reversed.

Just a ploy to save a few bob in the short term.

You will be paid the same. The same as as everyone else who's joining with you. You won't be paid the same as someone who's in the force 5 or 10 or 20 years. Everyone in the force is paid differently depending on rank and length of service.
Nothing illegal about that.
What illegal is if one trainee was getting 5 grand more than another trainee for no reason whatsoever

senordingdong · 17-12-2013 02:11PM

Devil08 wrote: »

You will be paid the same. The same as as everyone else who's joining with you. You won't be paid the same as someone who's in the force 5 or 10 or 20 years. Everyone in the force is paid differently depending on rank and length of service.
Nothing illegal about that.
What illegal is if one trainee was getting 5 grand more than another trainee for no reason whatsoever

Yes, the incriments don't effect it but everyone of the same grade has to be on the same scale.

Is the RA separate to the scale?

kippy · 17-12-2013 02:15PM

senordingdong wrote: »

Couldn't say.
But isn't it a European Court ruling that two people doing the same job have to be paid the same?

Then again, like the 10% cut to all civil servants who started in 2011, it could inevitably be reversed.

Just a ploy to save a few bob in the short term.

Welcome to the real world. Where people doing the same jobs dont get paid the same.....
Particularily in state jobs and even then, the rates are different from state to state.

Sister is thinking of applying this time out.
Realisticilly has she a hope in hell of making it? I assume reservists etc will have almost a "first preference".

djor88 · 17-12-2013 02:36PM

kippy wrote: »

Welcome to the real world. Where people doing the same jobs dont get paid the same.....
Particularily in state jobs and even then, the rates are different from state to state.

Sister is thinking of applying this time out.
Realisticilly has she a hope in hell of making it? I assume reservists etc will have almost a "first preference".

Reservists etc still have to jump through the rest of the hoops with everyone else, aptitudes, other tests.. True once the interview comes that some reserves may have an advantage, good ones who are motivated and committed, as they should do, but they can't take only Reserves, she has as much a chance at this stage as anyone else...

mfergus · 17-12-2013 02:37PM

kippy wrote: »

Sister is thinking of applying this time out.
Realisticilly has she a hope in hell of making it? I assume reservists etc will have almost a "first preference".

Hi.
I don't think many people can answer that question because of the fact nobody here knows your sister.
For all we know she could be ex LAPD with 5 degrees.
The only advice I could give is take a ticket and see how it goes. She may do extremely well in the aptitude tests and get an interview quickly.
Being a reserve is not a requirement.

Best of luck

Royal Seahawk · 17-12-2013 09:35PM

TheNog wrote: »

There is a no real difference in basic pay. Problem was a few ago Gardai worked a lot of OT to supplement their wages. Back then it was normal to work between 40 to 100hrs OT a roster.

There is some OT going but it's not a frequent or reliable as previous years

How much overtime would a Guard get now? Hours per year, on average? When you say 100 hours a roster how long is that? Per quarter?

coolock94 · 17-12-2013 09:44PM

ive stopped following this as its all here say, stick with whats coming up, the aptitudes take it one step at a time

carzony · 17-12-2013 09:46PM

coolock94 wrote: »

ive stopped following this as its all here say, stick with whats coming up, the aptitudes take it one step at a time

all the here say starts affecting the ol brain mate..

:( I find I start believing what's on the threads..

TheNog · 18-12-2013 12:22AM

Royal Seahawk wrote: »

How much overtime would a Guard get now? Hours per year, on average? When you say 100 hours a roster how long is that? Per quarter?

Each district/division is given so many OT to be used for any unplanned incidents. These incidents can be anything from suicides, RTCs, arrests, court etc there are too many to fully list. This type of OT is classed as directed OT in that you have to do it.

The other type is voluntary OT is used for example concerts, compliment another unit which maybe short etc.

A Garda will always pick up OT at some stage throughout the year. How much or how often is luck of the draw. Some rosters I might be lucky to have 5 hrs, some maybe 20 hrs and some I will have no OT.

A roster is 28 days long for pay. We currently work a 10 wk roster and that refers to our early, late and night tours. Our old roster where I referred to earlier with 40-100 hr OT was just 28 days long and that was back in the good old days that are no more.

danish pasterys · 19-12-2013 12:31AM

carzony wrote: »

still should be accepted though? is it not a level 5? i have been told by several people it is considered a level 5? same as the traditional leaving cert?

I have a full fetac level 5 cert in security studies but no leaving cert, can I still apply or is it strictly leaving cert ?

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