Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15 Mod Warning post #6011

premierstone · 16-12-2013 01:43PM

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

Where on earth was security at Fir Park.

I did read in some press release or report, not sure where tbh, that they have admitted that there wasn't adequate stewarding or police presence.

Dempsey · 16-12-2013 01:47PM

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

Where on earth was security at Fir Park.

The Green Brigade had nothing to say either way about security at Fir Park. If it was an issue, why didnt they raise it in their statement?

How much security/police is needed for Celtic fans to behave themselves?

Antifa161 · 16-12-2013 02:14PM

Dempsey wrote: »

How much security/police is needed for Celtic fans to behave themselves?

Quite a lot given the amount of things that are now classed as "misbehaving". Standing, lateral movement, shouting, swearing, banging drums, waving flags, expressing opinions etc

Dempsey · 16-12-2013 02:19PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

Quite a lot given the amount of things that are now classed as "misbehaving". Standing, lateral movement, shouting, swearing, banging drums, waving flags, expressing opinions etc

Forgot to mention vandalism, overcrowding/inability to stay in assigned seat & intoxicated

Hagar the Nice. · 16-12-2013 02:20PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

Quite a lot given the amount of things that are now classed as "misbehaving". Standing, lateral movement, shouting, swearing, banging drums, waving flags, expressing opinions etc

And a wee 12 year old being thrown out of CP for refusing to throw the ball back to a Hibs player,so said a fan on twitter,dunno if it was true though.

Antifa161 · 16-12-2013 02:35PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Forgot to mention vandalism, overcrowding/inability to stay in assigned seat & intoxicated

Vandalism doesn't need to be mentioned as it's an obvious one

Intoxicated at a football match. Scum!!!

Carroller · 16-12-2013 02:54PM

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

And a wee 12 year old being thrown out of CP for refusing to throw the ball back to a Hibs player,so said a fan on twitter,dunno if it was true though.

If this is what I think I saw while at the game it was in the LL stand and he was a teen! He kept the ball from Forster and ball boys as people started shouting and booing him he threw it back he turn to the crowd and having a og that's when a steward came down and walked him out, he was no older than 16 and looked to be fairly drunk so in my opinion deserved to be thrown out.

Dempsey · 16-12-2013 03:12PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

Vandalism doesn't need to be mentioned as it's an obvious one

Intoxicated at a football match. Scum!!!

Drunk in a football ground, breaking seats, endangering the safety of other fans etc.

You think that these are the sort of people that should be trusted with pyrotechnics and in safe standing areas. You think this element of our support needs to be tolerated to generate an atmosphere in a stadium. Delusion at the minimum.

Antifa161 · 16-12-2013 03:36PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Drunk in a football ground, breaking seats, endangering the safety of other fans etc.

You think that these are the sort of people that should be trusted with pyrotechnics and in safe standing areas. You think this element of our support needs to be tolerated to generate an atmosphere in a stadium. Delusion at the minimum.

The majority of people over the age of about 16 in football stadiums all over the UK and probably beyond are "intoxicated". That's why evening kick-offs are always better atmosphere, and why they have derbies at noon. You're the delusional one if you think simply being intoxicated is reasonable grounds to eject somebody from a ground.

How come despite all these fatally dangerous pyrotechnics used by all these hammered drunk ned scumbags, there are a negligible amount of injuries? You keep skirting this question. If they are so dangerous and the people using them are so irresponsible and thuggish, why aren't there people getting hurt by them on a frequent basis?

You strike me as the type to go scurrying off to the police or match steward to report somebody having a quick half time fag in the ground. Surprised you've survived any trips to Parkhead.

PauloMN · 16-12-2013 03:41PM

Carroller wrote: »

If this is what I think I saw while at the game it was in the LL stand and he was a teen! He kept the ball from Forster and ball boys as people started shouting and booing him he threw it back he turn to the crowd and having a og that's when a steward came down and walked him out, he was no older than 16 and looked to be fairly drunk so in my opinion deserved to be thrown out.

Aww no, the ****e on Twitter sounds so much better and allows people to have yet another go at the club for heavy handed-ness etc.

Hagar the Nice. · 16-12-2013 03:42PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Drunk in a football ground, breaking seats, endangering the safety of other fans etc.

You think that these are the sort of people that should be trusted with pyrotechnics and in safe standing areas. You think this element of our support needs to be tolerated to generate an atmosphere in a stadium. Delusion at the minimum.

C'mon bud,CP has seen many a drunk guy get into and out of the ground,jeez,many of us went into the Hibs club in Carfin for a good few drinks pre match,surely you ain't saying we all get thrown out.

PauloMN · 16-12-2013 03:44PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

You strike me as the type to go scurrying off to the police or match steward to report somebody having a quick half time fag in the ground. Surprised you've survived any trips to Parkhead.

Comments like that just cancel out any little weight your arguments would have held. Pretty childish tbh, just because you disagree with someone you decide to slag them off.

Dempsey · 16-12-2013 03:48PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

The majority of people over the age of about 16 in football stadiums all over the UK and probably beyond are "intoxicated". That's why evening kick-offs are always better atmosphere, and why they have derbies at noon. You're the delusional one if you think simply being intoxicated is reasonable grounds to eject somebody from a ground.

How come despite all these fatally dangerous pyrotechnics used by all these hammered drunk ned scumbags, there are a negligible amount of injuries? You keep skirting this question. If they are so dangerous and the people using them are so irresponsible and thuggish, why aren't there people getting hurt by them on a frequent basis?

Intoxication means that people arent using their best judgement. If they are also engaging in vandalism, overcrowding, endangering other fan safety then they should be ejected and possibly banned depending on the situation.

There shouldnt be any injuries, never mind anything life threatening associated with attending football matches and thats the point. You seem to think that there is some sort of acceptable number other than 0 regarding this. The club, police, stewards & SAG doesnt want anyone getting injured and will be proactive in eliminating all risks. Pyrotechnics in the hands of drunk people or neds is a easily removed risk. Penny will never drop with fans like you though. I'm done repeating myself.

Antifa161 · 16-12-2013 03:54PM

Why are there no injuries if something so dangerous is used on such a large scale by such irresponsible people?

"I'm done repeating myself" = I'm done swerving the same questions repeatedly

Antifa161 · 16-12-2013 03:55PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Comments like that just cancel out any little weight your arguments would have held. Pretty childish tbh, just because you disagree with someone you decide to slag them off.

lol so it's ok for him to take personal shots at me and call me delusional etc but it's not ok to give it back? I don't see you jumping in to my defense when the bluenose lot are giving it either. Pathetic.

PauloMN · 16-12-2013 04:05PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

lol so it's ok for him to take personal shots at me and call me delusional etc but it's not ok to give it back? I don't see you jumping in to my defense when the bluenose lot are giving it either. Pathetic.

What??? I should jump to your defense as a Celtic fan, when Rangers fans are arguing with you, just because they are Rangers fans?

Now that would be pathetic.

If you were around here long enough, you'd know that I've had plenty of heated discussions with the Rangers lads on here in the past. But I tend not to argue with them purely because they are Rangers fans, I think most of us are adult enough to not do that. And I've pretty much agreed with their counter arguments when it comes to your GB drivel, so I'm hardly going to argue with them over it.

Antifa161 · 16-12-2013 04:08PM

PauloMN wrote: »

What??? I should jump to your defense as a Celtic fan, when Rangers fans are arguing with you, just because they are Rangers fans?

Now that would be pathetic.

No, I'm talking about using personal insults. You literally just brought that up....

One of the things I like about here is that the Celtic fans don't mind disagreeing with each other, while their lot tend to be awfully sycophantic agreeing with and Thanking every single post each other makes no matter how bollocks it is.

Then again there are some tims here who seem to try overly hard to endear themselves with them too :pac:

Defending the GB is clearly a very unpopular opinion on here, as it is on certain other forums too. Thankfully it doesn't seem to be the case amongst many fans irl and the atmosphere and attendances from here in will tell a similar story. I think most of the pontificating is coming from people who don't go to many matches.

PauloMN · 16-12-2013 04:13PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

No, I'm talking about using personal insults. You literally just brought that up....

One of the things I like about here is that the Celtic fans don't mind disagreeing with each other, while their lot tend to be awfully sycophantic agreeing with and Thanking every single post each other makes no matter how bollocks it is.

Then again there are some tims here who seem to try overly hard to endear themselves with them too :pac:

Well I don't know what personal insults they were throwing your way, but I just think the retort of inferring someone is a snitch/tout/grass etc. really childish, just because that person feels (as I and most others do) that a football stadium should be free of dicks smashing up seats, setting of fireworks or being a general pain in the hole while drunk.

It's a really weak defense tbh, and undermines your arguments.

Antifa161 · 16-12-2013 04:15PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Well I don't know what personal insults they were throwing your way, but I just think the retort of inferring someone is a snitch/tout/grass etc. really childish.

Inferring it? He's literally said so much earlier in the thread, encouraging people to go and tell stewards if people around them are "misbehaving" (a term he uses to cover a hilariously wide array of issues). His general moaning and moral posturing about any sort of behaviour he doesn't like gave me the impression he'd be that sort, so I pointed it out. The same way he pointed out that he thought I was delusional - something I found slightly disrespectful given how long I've been debating back and forth with him in an otherwise mature manner even if he does nothing by avoid my questions, change the subject and go around in circles to return to the only points he's comfortable relying on.

I don't know why either of you keep bringing up the seats thing. I've condemned it multiple times, although I may have a wee search and see if you were all outraged when twice as much damage was done to Rugby Park a few years ago :rolleyes:

PauloMN · 16-12-2013 04:18PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

Defending the GB is clearly a very unpopular opinion on here, as it is on certain other forums too. Thankfully it doesn't seem to be the case amongst many fans irl and the atmosphere and attendances from here in will tell a similar story. I think most of the pontificating is coming from people who don't go to many matches.

Again, you've not been around here long if you believe that. Plenty of times, I and others have given high praise of the atmosphere that the GB have brought to matches. Nobody is immune from criticism though, bringing good atmosphere to match day does not give them carte blanche to do what they want while in CP or any other ground. I'm disappointed that they've been broken up, but they brought it upon themselves by continuously ignoring club rules.

Antifa161 · 16-12-2013 04:24PM

I'm talking about defending them over these issues. For what it's worth my actual opinion of them aside from all this is they're a crowd of self-righteous fart sniffers who try far too hard. Their forum is a joke as well. If you told them you were right handed or you didn't like black shoes they'd be on your case for being a far-right racist.

I haven't been defending the GB because it's the GB, I've been defending them because I'm absolutely sickened by the way modern football is heading and I can see our club support ending up like the complete farce that can be found south of the border. I would and have defended other club's fans for all these same things.

It's about Celtic or Ireland or Republicanism or anything like that. If Rangers had a display about Margret Thatcher or Churchill and were fined and widely vilified for bringing politics into football and then the next week their club had a minute's silence for Mandela and there were Mandela displays which the same detractors were praising then I would point out the hypocrisy and support their right to freedom of expression in a football stadium just like I would anywhere else in society. If Man Utd fans were thrown out and banned from their ground because they used some smoke bombs and then the next month their club had a huge pyro display which covered a whole stand in smoke I would defend them. If Chelsea banned 200 fans before even deciding whether or not they were guilty of anything I would defend them. It's a disgrace but I don't just blame the club. I understand why the PLC wants to sanitize the support - it's a model that's worked fantastically well in England where they milk everyone senseless. The fans on the other hand, I've never had a lower opinion of.

PauloMN · 16-12-2013 04:29PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

I'm talking about defending them over these issues. For what it's worth my actual opinion of them aside from all this is they're a crowd of self-righteous fart sniffers who try far too hard. Their forum is a joke as well. If you told them you were right handed or you didn't like black shoes they'd be on your case for being a far-right racist.

I haven't been defending the GB because it's the GB, I've been defending them because I'm absolutely sickened by the way modern football is heading and I can see our club support ending up like the complete farce that can be found south of the border. I would and have defended other club's fans for all these same things.

Well I'm not going to defend them over issues that cost our club £40k and further such issues could have actually cost us places in the competition. I don't know how anyone can defend those actions tbh. Rules are rules, if you don't like them, either use the proper channels to get the rules changed, or don't bother coming to the games. It is as simple as that. Our club is no different to any other club that has rules.

I think the club have bent over backwards for the GB, many other clubs don't have open dialogue with ultras groups. The GB essentially threw the trust back in the club's face. It's unfortunate, but there was never going to be any other outcome.

Antifa161 · 16-12-2013 04:34PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Well I'm not going to defend them over issues that cost our club £40k

How is that an even remotely significant sum? We make tens of millions and spend fúck all of it anyway.

and further such issues could have actually cost us places in the competition.

Complete and utter bollocks. How many times have we heard this? UEFA even hand out paltry fines for actual racism, the issue they make a hugely embarrassing song and dance about. I know it's a cliché but a certain club's fans wrecked an entire f*cking city centre at a European final and UEFA didn't do a single thing about it. Of all the things we've seen that lot and many other clubs get away with what makes you think we'd receive a infinitely harsher punishment for incidents that are completely insignificant in comparison?

I don't know how anyone can defend those actions tbh. Rules are rules, if you don't like them, either use the proper channels to get the rules changed, or don't bother coming to the games.

By the looks of last Saturday lots of people are taking the latter option.

It is as simple as that. Our club is no different to any other club that has rules.

Our club and its fans are different to others when we want to sell it as a marketing gimmick or when we want to boast about it.

I think the club have bent over backwards for the GB, many other clubs don't have open dialogue with ultras groups.

There are club across Europe where ultras practically f*cking run the club and their boardroom would be skinned alive for the crap that's happening now. Not saying that's preferable but it's complete laughable when you hear some of the things people moan about here.

dundalkfc10 · 16-12-2013 05:56PM

PauloMN wrote: »

Well I'm not going to defend them over issues that cost our club £40k and further such issues could have actually cost us places in the competition. I don't know how anyone can defend those actions tbh. Rules are rules, if you don't like them, either use the proper channels to get the rules changed, or don't bother coming to the games. It is as simple as that. Our club is no different to any other club that has rules.

I think the club have bent over backwards for the GB, many other clubs don't have open dialogue with ultras groups. The GB essentially threw the trust back in the club's face. It's unfortunate, but there was never going to be any other outcome.

If you were one of the Hundred odd (who were suspended etc) when some wernt even at the match (one lad was in Barcelona and had reporters at his door asking his family for a comment on him causing trouble in Motherwell) would you not be asking questions?

Thrown out of competitions, Laughable comment in fairness!

Ultra groups all over Europe run their section of the ground, from ticket distribution, away tickets, away travel etc.....

Not saying the GB should have got this just pointing out your statement on this is wrong!

Dempsey · 16-12-2013 06:12PM

Antifa161 wrote: »

Why are there no injuries if something so dangerous is used on such a large scale by such irresponsible people?

"I'm done repeating myself" = I'm done swerving the same questions repeatedly

I've answered the question everytime you've asked it. The idea of the club, police, stewards & SAG doing risk assessments and implementing policies to remove unnecessary risks seems has gone over your head each time.

Antifa161 wrote: »

There are club across Europe where ultras practically f*cking run the club and their boardroom would be skinned alive for the crap that's happening now. Not saying that's preferable but it's complete laughable when you hear some of the things people moan about here.

I wouldnt trust the GB to run a bath

dundalkfc10 · 16-12-2013 06:16PM

Dempsey wrote: »

I've answered the question everytime you've asked it. The idea of the club, police, stewards & SAG doing risk assessments and implementing policies to remove unnecessary risks seems has gone over your head each time.

I wouldnt trust the GB to run a bath

Yet they run countless Charity events (including one this weekend before the Hearts game)

I dont mind people disagreeing with actions/views they have but to say something like that is just silly

Dempsey · 16-12-2013 06:30PM

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Yet they run countless Charity events (including one this weekend before the Hearts game)

I dont mind people disagreeing with actions/views they have but to say something like that is just silly

I dont see how organising charity events changes what I said tbh

Hagar the Nice. · 16-12-2013 07:30PM

Dempsey wrote: »

I've answered the question everytime you've asked it. The idea of the club, police, stewards & SAG doing risk assessments and implementing policies to remove unnecessary risks seems has gone over your head each time.

I wouldnt trust the GB to run a bath

5 clubs throughout Europe had banners defending the GB at the weekend,even in Turkey,word spreads like wildfire regarding the GB.

Dempsey · 16-12-2013 07:37PM

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

5 clubs throughout Europe had banners defending the GB at the weekend,even in Turkey,word spreads like wildfire regarding the GB.

Defending them over what exactly?

Hagar the Nice. · 16-12-2013 07:48PM

Dempsey wrote: »

Defending them over what exactly?

Free speech.
The ability to wear a GB t shirt without fear of being kicked out of CP.
No matter what you or I or anyone else for that matter thinks of them,and they are admittedly crazy at times,they will still have more support than Lawwell will ever have,that's a fact.