Rangers FC On Field Gossip & Rumour Thread 2017 Mod Note in OP(Updated 14/08)

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 14-12-2013 10:26AM

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

Division in the ranks now,Sally is now saying he's unsure which way he'll vote next week,trouble ahead maybe?

Where did you see this. The only thing I have seen him saying is he will back Wallace as CEO.
Nothing about the others.
Granted I have not read any papers so far this morning

Hagar the Nice. · 14-12-2013 07:01PM

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-boss-ally-mccoist--2924883

Jelle1880 · 14-12-2013 07:07PM

Game called off today due to damage to a temporary stand.

http://willievass.photoshelter.com/gallery/141213-Stenhousemuir-v-Rangers/G0000blWIbWnwj5w/C0000YZvm4wM00Zs

Right call it seems, that stand looks like a sneeze could blow it over.

LiamoSail · 16-12-2013 12:02PM

McCoist giving his proxy to a supporters club, smart or spineless?

He's obviously in a difficult position, in that he could potentially be voting against his future bosses, however as a Rangers man, he's better placed then most to appraise both sides and come to a decision that would be in the clubs best interests.

McCoist knows how the supporters group will vote, so is he trying to remain 'in' with the current crowd, whilst voting against them, or is he simply shirking his responsibility with the aim of self preservation?

Either way, a smart move from McCoist from his own perspective. Irrespective of the outcome, he won't be unduly compromised in the eyes of either party

Hagar the Nice. · 16-12-2013 12:26PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

McCoist giving his proxy to a supporters club, smart or spineless?

He's obviously in a difficult position, in that he could potentially be voting against his future bosses, however as a Rangers man, he's better placed then most to appraise both sides and come to a decision that would be in the clubs best interests.

McCoist knows how the supporters group will vote, so is he trying to remain 'in' with the current crowd, whilst voting against them, or is he simply shirking his responsibility with the aim of self preservation?

Either way, a smart move from McCoist from his own perspective. Irrespective of the outcome, he won't be unduly compromised in the eyes of either party

I don't think the Easdales will be too chuffed somehow.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/sport/football/mccoist-gives-agm-votes-to-anti-board-fans-faction.22954438?_=ef899d5268da6f195ca97b123df5f0e66082be4d

When you think about it,if the Easdales win then they will surely sack McCoist,then he makes a fortune selling his story to the rags,plus cash in on his shares,either way he can't lose.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 16-12-2013 12:27PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

McCoist giving his proxy to a supporters club, smart or spineless?

He's obviously in a difficult position, in that he could potentially be voting against his future bosses, however as a Rangers man, he's better placed then most to appraise both sides and come to a decision that would be in the clubs best interests.

McCoist knows how the supporters group will vote, so is he trying to remain 'in' with the current crowd, whilst voting against them, or is he simply shirking his responsibility with the aim of self preservation?

Either way, a smart move from McCoist from his own perspective. Irrespective of the outcome, he won't be unduly compromised in the eyes of either party

My view is he certainly isn't spineless and I don't agree he won't be compromised. He has openly given these shares to the supporters club who I believe will be voting against the present board.
If he had done it secretly I could see your point but as it stands everyone knows exactly what is going on

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 16-12-2013 12:28PM

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

I don't think the Easdales will be too chuffed somehow.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/sport/football/mccoist-gives-agm-votes-to-anti-board-fans-faction.22954438?_=ef899d5268da6f195ca97b123df5f0e66082be4d

I don't think he is worried about a couple of so called gangsters

LiamoSail · 16-12-2013 12:30PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

My view is he certainly isn't spineless and I don't agree he won't be compromised. He has openly given these shares to the supporters club who I believe will be voting against the present board.
If he had done it secretly I could see your point but as it stands everyone knows exactly what is going on

So why would he not vote himself?

Would he not be better placed & informed to make a decision then a supporters group, given the supporters group are unlikely to be as aware of the inner workings of the club in way McCoist would be?

Hagar the Nice. · 16-12-2013 12:32PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

I don't think he is worried about a couple of so called gangsters

True but they are clean now,(or so they say.):rolleyes:

Eirebear · 16-12-2013 12:37PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

So why would he not vote himself?

Would he not be better placed & informed to make a decision then a supporters group, given the supporters group are unlikely to be as aware of the inner workings of the club in way McCoist would be?

McCoist's duty, first and foremost, is to the playing staff and that end of the club.
If he had come out and made a statement against his current employers, it makes it easy for them to sack him leaving him in a position where his duty of care to the players and staff is impossible to carry through.
By doing things the way he has, he is free to ensure that he can keep the players and coaching team as far out of the turmoil as possible, while at the same time giving the support a little more power in the boardroom.
I think it's a good move.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 16-12-2013 12:37PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

So why would he not vote himself?

Would he not be better placed & informed to make a decision then a supporters group, given the supporters group are unlikely to be as aware of the inner workings of the club in way McCoist would be?

I don't think the inner workings of the present board are a big secret and if they are any worse than what we already know then god help us.
It is a gesture nothing more he knows what way the fans are going to vote and I bet this present lot of thieves do as well

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 16-12-2013 12:39PM

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

True but they are clean now,(or so they say.):rolleyes:

LOL yeah they say if they told me today was Monday I would be checking my Calendar

LiamoSail · 16-12-2013 12:45PM

Eirebear wrote: »

McCoist's duty, first and foremost, is to the playing staff and that end of the club.
If he had come out and made a statement against his current employers, it makes it easy for them to sack him leaving him in a position where his duty of care to the players and staff is impossible to carry through.
By doing things the way he has, he is free to ensure that he can keep the players and coaching team as far out of the turmoil as possible, while at the same time giving the support a little more power in the boardroom.
I think it's a good move.

Good point.

Is it possible though to separate the good of the team from the good of the club? Surely they are inherently linked, with makeup of the board having a massive bearing on the potential of the team

Regarding the supporters having more power, while in general this should be good for the club, would it not be better for the power to lie with McCoist, given he claims to have the clubs best interests at heart, and is far better informed then any fan?

It would appear to me that McCoist is having his votes cast exactly how he wants them cast, but by nominating a proxy, is protecting himself in the event that his votes are cast against the eventual incumbents, securing his position. His motives though are probably impossible to determine, as they serve both the self preservation and good of the team arguments

LiamoSail · 16-12-2013 12:47PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

I don't think the inner workings of the present board are a big secret and if they are any worse than what we already know then god help us.
It is a gesture nothing more he knows what way the fans are going to vote and I bet this present lot of thieves do as well

If it is a gesture, what's the purpose of the gesture? Surely publicly voting against the current crowd would be more of a statement the giving them the proxy

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 16-12-2013 12:59PM

LiamoSail wrote: »

If it is a gesture, what's the purpose of the gesture? Surely publicly voting against the current crowd would be more of a statement the giving them the proxy

As EB says he has to look at the bigger picture and of the reprocussions this all has in the team. I don't know McCoists mind only he knows the actual why log this decision but I certainly don't believe it lessens the heat on him from the present board.
It may well be a pointless move anyway as it looks as though the present lot have enough shares to take the vote. The best the fans can hope for is some sort of compromise whereby a couple of the so called rebels are voted on. Really a big step would be for Stockbridge to go but I don't think it will happen. I fear there is a long dark road ahead

Hagar the Nice. · 17-12-2013 12:14AM

Oh ohhh,looks like forum wars are continuing between FF and the Vanguard Berzz.

_

So where have they all gone? Have they lost their tongues? What has happened to them?

We refer of course to the band of self-righteous holier-than-thou fans spokesmen (and women), bloggers and website warblers who daily repeat ad nauseam their favourite buzzword - "transparency".

STV initially stated Mark Dingwall had been suspended from the Rangers Supporters Trust (RST) Board for "improper conduct". An RST Board spokesman is quoted thus:

"Mark Dingwall is currently serving a three-week suspension, pending an investigation into allegations of improper conduct. He will be given an ultimatum to resign from his position this week."

Subsequently the same outlet quoted the RST Chairman, and Mark Dingwall ally, Gordon Dinnie, but the story had changed slightly;

Mr, Dinnie stated that the complainant and Mr. Dingwall had "stood back from participation in the trust's internal affairs whilst the complaint is being progressed as per the rules of the society".

Meanwhile other trust board members contradict Mr. Dinnie, who seems a tad confused, by claiming Mr. Dingwall HAS been suspended. The internet buzzes with allegations of computer hacking and misappropriation of funds - both criminal offences. At least two RST Board members are said to have resigned over this matter, which will have to be reported to the Regulator as a point of law - not to mention Supporters Direct. The small matter of £250,000 of fans' money dictates this.

And from the bloggers who like to refer to criminal acts and police investigations there remains silence.

Of course the man at the centre of this scandal is no stranger to controversy. Two years ago another RST Board member resigned in disgust having discovered Mr. Dingwall had "misappropriated" £2690 of RST/fans money for a period of over two years. In addition, allegations of unpaid print firm bills and missing Rangers Supporters Erskine Appeal (RSEA) money persist.

We think it would be fair to say that the RST have been Paul Murray's biggest supporters in the battle for control of the Rangers Board. Indeed it was recently revealed that Mr. Murray has been orchestrating them with emails advising to push his agenda on their website of choice, “FollowFollow.com” - which just happens to be owned, operated and controlled by Mr. Dingwall.

Given these allegations of hacking, as a precaution, we have advised our members and would urge anyone with an account on any Mark Dingwall-controlled websites to be very wary, especially if your password for those sites is the same password you use for other ‘personal’ sites, such as your email, Twitter or Facebook. We are unaware as to the full extent of the websites Mr. Dingwall controls outwith FollowFollow.com, perhaps clarification should be sought as to the privacy procedures in place with the sites of the various organisations Mr. Dingwall is connected to.

Paul Murray is never short of a word or two - what has he got to say with regards to the turmoil and scandal his biggest allies find themselves in?

This whole episode absolutely stinks. The RST, if they are to retain any shred of decency and dignity, need to tell their members and the Rangers support as a whole what's been going on and what they intend doing about it. If necessary, they must call the police - no half-hearted sound-bites, no cover-ups, the truth needs to come out.

Anyone observing the RST Facebook page will have noticed its viewing status has been changed to "secret" by another of Paul Murray's RST email buddies. This hardly instils confidence.

Meanwhile those who've posted and blogged daily regarding transparency who have now fallen silent should hang their heads in shame.

Finally, a comment from a Moderator on the RangersMedia.com website today:

"Mark Dingwall believes the Data Protection Act is optional, given that he openly asked RangersMedia to break it in April."

Jelle1880 · 17-12-2013 12:19AM

Does anyone here, apart from you, give a **** ? :pac:

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 17-12-2013 12:21AM

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

Oh ohhh,looks like forum wars are continuing between FF and the Vanguard Berzz.
_

So where have they all gone? Have they lost their tongues? What has happened to them?

We refer of course to the band of self-righteous holier-than-thou fans spokesmen (and women), bloggers and website warblers who daily repeat ad nauseam their favourite buzzword - "transparency".

STV initially stated Mark Dingwall had been suspended from the Rangers Supporters Trust (RST) Board for "improper conduct". An RST Board spokesman is quoted thus:

"Mark Dingwall is currently serving a three-week suspension, pending an investigation into allegations of improper conduct. He will be given an ultimatum to resign from his position this week."

Subsequently the same outlet quoted the RST Chairman, and Mark Dingwall ally, Gordon Dinnie, but the story had changed slightly;

Mr, Dinnie stated that the complainant and Mr. Dingwall had "stood back from participation in the trust's internal affairs whilst the complaint is being progressed as per the rules of the society".

Meanwhile other trust board members contradict Mr. Dinnie, who seems a tad confused, by claiming Mr. Dingwall HAS been suspended. The internet buzzes with allegations of computer hacking and misappropriation of funds - both criminal offences. At least two RST Board members are said to have resigned over this matter, which will have to be reported to the Regulator as a point of law - not to mention Supporters Direct. The small matter of £250,000 of fans' money dictates this.

And from the bloggers who like to refer to criminal acts and police investigations there remains silence.

Of course the man at the centre of this scandal is no stranger to controversy. Two years ago another RST Board member resigned in disgust having discovered Mr. Dingwall had "misappropriated" £2690 of RST/fans money for a period of over two years. In addition, allegations of unpaid print firm bills and missing Rangers Supporters Erskine Appeal (RSEA) money persist.

We think it would be fair to say that the RST have been Paul Murray's biggest supporters in the battle for control of the Rangers Board. Indeed it was recently revealed that Mr. Murray has been orchestrating them with emails advising to push his agenda on their website of choice, “FollowFollow.com” - which just happens to be owned, operated and controlled by Mr. Dingwall.

Given these allegations of hacking, as a precaution, we have advised our members and would urge anyone with an account on any Mark Dingwall-controlled websites to be very wary, especially if your password for those sites is the same password you use for other ‘personal’ sites, such as your email, Twitter or Facebook. We are unaware as to the full extent of the websites Mr. Dingwall controls outwith FollowFollow.com, perhaps clarification should be sought as to the privacy procedures in place with the sites of the various organisations Mr. Dingwall is connected to.

Paul Murray is never short of a word or two - what has he got to say with regards to the turmoil and scandal his biggest allies find themselves in?

This whole episode absolutely stinks. The RST, if they are to retain any shred of decency and dignity, need to tell their members and the Rangers support as a whole what's been going on and what they intend doing about it. If necessary, they must call the police - no half-hearted sound-bites, no cover-ups, the truth needs to come out.

Anyone observing the RST Facebook page will have noticed its viewing status has been changed to "secret" by another of Paul Murray's RST email buddies. This hardly instils confidence.

Meanwhile those who've posted and blogged daily regarding transparency who have now fallen silent should hang their heads in shame.

Finally, a comment from a Moderator on the RangersMedia.com website today:

"Mark Dingwall believes the Data Protection Act is optional, given that he openly asked RangersMedia to break it in April."

To be fair I wouldn't trust Dingwall as far as I can spit. And the three forums you mentioned ah well FF is owned by said Dingwall VB is full if the lowest sort if human beings possible and RM is used by such worthies as Imran and Jack Irvine. So I will wait to see what transpires from better sources than these though I will not be surprised to see Dingwall up to his eyes in it

Hagar the Nice. · 17-12-2013 12:31AM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

To be fair I wouldn't trust Dingwall as far as I can spit. And the three forums you mentioned ah well FF is owned by said Dingwall VB is full if the lowest sort if human beings possible and RM is used by such worthies as Imran and Jack Irvine. So I will wait to see what transpires from better sources than these though I will not be surprised to see Dingwall up to his eyes in it

I used to be on RM a long while ago,quite a few of us Celtic fans were on it and the owner,an American guy if I remember correctly,was top notch,that was until we won at Ibrox and a Celtic fan let rip which then in turn led to D'Artignan losing the rag and barred us all.
That lead to a good few Gers fans leaving RM in support of us,,which was unfair simply because at the end of the day,it was a Rangers forum.
I still talked to a few of them on Pie and Bovril but got barred by getting into an argy bargy with a Motherwell fan,long story.

Jelle1880 · 17-12-2013 08:35AM

For whatever reasons, VB have been harassing people that disagree with them for months now including Dingwall.

The Rangers Supporters Trust is investigating allegations of improper conduct against its spokesman Mark Dingwall.

The co-founder the group, who has denied the allegations, will have his future decided at a meeting this week.

The Trust holds the largest membership of any Rangers supporters group and also holds the largest shareholding of any collective supporters group.

STV understands the complaint against Mr Dingwall has been withdrawn as the complainant resigned from the board of the Trust during the investigation. Remaining board members are still concerned about the accusations of improper conduct and will address the matter at a meeting this week.

On Saturday, a board member of the Rangers Supporters Trust told STV: "Mark Dingwall is currently serving a three-week suspension, pending an investigation into allegations of improper conduct. He will be given an ultimatum to resign from his position this week."

The chairman of the Rangers Supporters Trust, Gordon Dinnie, confirmed there is an investigation and that after the complainant stepped back from his duties, the Trust asked Mr Dingwall to do likewise.

In a statement issued on Sunday, Mr Dinnie clarified the terminology used by his fellow board member, saying: "Both people involved [in the allegations] have stood back from participation in the trust's internal affairs whilst the complaint is being progressed as per the rules of the society, neither was suspended."

In response to the allegations, Mr Dingwall said: "It would not be appropriate to comment at this time. The matter will be discussed at the Rangers Supporters Trust's next meeting."

A letter circulated to RST members on Sunday evening read: "The board of the RST would like to inform you that we are currently dealing with an internal matter that has unfortunately entered the public domain. We assure you that we are still working in the best interest of our membership and will inform you of any decisions taken once due process has been followed. The board members involved voluntarily removed themselves from Trust duties until this situation is resolved.

"We would also like to assure you that the Trust board remains focussed and committed to our goals. We hope to announce the results of our AGM poll in the coming days."

That makes it sound a little bit less dramatic than what VB would like you to believe.

The timing of this is highly suspicious with the AGM coming up.

Hagar the Nice. · 17-12-2013 11:57AM

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Does anyone here, apart from you, give a **** ? :pac:

I thought you'd be back,lol.
I see Rino has been a naughty boy too.

AC Milan star Gennaro Gattuso investigated for match fixing

Former AC Milan midfielder Gennaro Gattuso is being investigated for match-fixing, Associated Press reports.
Four other people have been detained in connection with the alleged fixing of matches in Serie A three seasons ago.
Ex-Rangers star Gattuso, 35, is retired and was sacked by Serie B side Palermo after just six league games as manager.
He won two Serie A titles and two Champions League crowns during his 13-year spell with Milan and also the 2006 World Cup with Italy in Germany.

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 17-12-2013 12:29PM

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

I thought you'd be back,lol.
I see Rino has been a naughty boy too.

AC Milan star Gennaro Gattuso investigated for match fixing

Former AC Milan midfielder Gennaro Gattuso is being investigated for match-fixing, Associated Press reports.
Four other people have been detained in connection with the alleged fixing of matches in Serie A three seasons ago.
Ex-Rangers star Gattuso, 35, is retired and was sacked by Serie B side Palermo after just six league games as manager.
He won two Serie A titles and two Champions League crowns during his 13-year spell with Milan and also the 2006 World Cup with Italy in Germany.

If he is feckin daft enough to get involved in match fixing then I hope they through the book at him

. If he is guilty that is

Hagar the Nice. · 17-12-2013 12:39PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

If he is feckin daft enough to get involved in match fixing then I hope they through the book at him . If he is guilty that is

Yep,he's already mega rich I would imagine,greed is overwhelming though,that urge to make more money is crazy.

Eirebear · 17-12-2013 01:49PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

If he is feckin daft enough to get involved in match fixing then I hope they through the book at him . If he is guilty that is

Of course he's guilty.
He was under suspicion as soon as he signed Lafferty!

Dempsey · 17-12-2013 03:18PM

Wasnt long ago he was preaching that women should know their role in football. A big bullseye on his back after that I'd say. Doesnt strike me as the type that would match fix especially as he surely was getting a relative kings randsom from Milan.

He will be slaughtered if involved in any way shape or form

Broxi_Bear_Eire · 17-12-2013 07:18PM

As the result of a disturbing internet campaign I have asked Police Scotland to revive their investigation into an allegation of internet hacking. I originally took a complaint to the police on 27th November - I thought the matter was at an end following the resignation of two other Trust directors and the withdrawal of an internal Trust complaint against me.

Sadly this has not seen the end of the matter and because of a sinister new development yesterday I feel I have no alternative but to again place the issue in the hands of those with the powers to conduct an investigation which will get to the heart of the matter.

I have informed the Chairman of the RST that due to having to re-involve the police I have resigned from the Board so that the Trust can get on with it’s business at this vital time for our club without any distractions.

MARK DINGWALL

Oh aye

Hagar the Nice. · 17-12-2013 08:52PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

As the result of a disturbing internet campaign I have asked Police Scotland to revive their investigation into an allegation of internet hacking. I originally took a complaint to the police on 27th November - I thought the matter was at an end following the resignation of two other Trust directors and the withdrawal of an internal Trust complaint against me.

Sadly this has not seen the end of the matter and because of a sinister new development yesterday I feel I have no alternative but to again place the issue in the hands of those with the powers to conduct an investigation which will get to the heart of the matter.

I have informed the Chairman of the RST that due to having to re-involve the police I have resigned from the Board so that the Trust can get on with it’s business at this vital time for our club without any distractions.

MARK DINGWALL

Oh aye

Oooft,that's a surprise.
And Craig Whyte too:eek:

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Broxi_Bear_Eire · 17-12-2013 09:14PM

Hagar the Nice. wrote: »

Oooft,that's a surprise.
And Craig Whyte too:eek:

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Nice try, Jack.
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I see someone has tried to suspend my account already.

Please stop posting that crap in here we have enough of our own thankyou

Hagar the Nice. · 17-12-2013 09:47PM

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Please stop posting that crap in here we have enough of our own thankyou

Methinks its an Ibrox insider who's passing the info,he/she knows way too much.

Jelle1880 · 17-12-2013 10:37PM

All these claims about how the current board have already won the vote is spin imo.
No quotes, no details,...

It's not being leaked by accident, so all I can think of is that it's spin to keep people from voting tomorrow.

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