Adrien Broner vs Marcos Maidana

walshb · 15-12-2013 07:11PM

Thurman is a lovely boxer-puncher. Great feet and great balance. Delivers his shots vet effectively.

gene_tunney · 15-12-2013 07:58PM

pac_man wrote: »

Bang up your pound for pound list there.

Off the top of my head I'll give you 5:

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Andre Ward
3. Wladimir Klitschko
4. Timothy Bradley
5. Manny Pacquiao

Bradley and MP possibly interchangeable.

gene_tunney · 15-12-2013 08:04PM

walshb wrote: »

Thurman is a lovely boxer-puncher. Great feet and great balance. Delivers his shots vet effectively.

He has good fundamentals, which is surprisingly rare amongst top-level boxers.

willmunny1990 · 15-12-2013 08:06PM

Broner shown up as the chump he really is. Great night of boxing.

Watching him leave the ring alone, hurt and pathetic was a satisfying end to the night.

megadodge · 15-12-2013 08:46PM

gene_tunney wrote: »

He has good fundamentals, which is surprisingly rare amongst top-level boxers.

Jesus, you're actually getting worse!

gene_tunney · 15-12-2013 08:54PM

megadodge wrote: »

Jesus, you're actually getting worse!

Come at me bro

strongback · 15-12-2013 08:54PM

Watching Broner getting beaten up was reminiscent of MAB v Hamed.

Broner is a lot better than that performance. The one thing he didn't learn from Floyd was how to be a complete professional in the ring, keeping disciplined and having 100% respect for you opponents capability. He also never seemed to recover from the KD in the second.

Broner has the speed and jab to dance rings around Maidana. He got taught a very hard lesson especially if his jaw is broken. Let's see what he's made of now.

Frankie Lee · 15-12-2013 09:18PM

I got that one spectacularly wrong, even though I thought Broner would be found out at the top level I thought he could have outboxed Maidana. Going from fighting Rees at lightweight to fighting a heavy hitting welterweight was stupidity in hindsight. If he goes back to 140lbs he has to avoid Garcia and Matthyse. He is going to have to cop on a bit and improve if he is not going to end up a pathetic broke boxer.

walshb · 15-12-2013 09:21PM

strongback wrote: »

Broner is a lot better than that performance. now.

Not sure this is true. You can only be as good as the opponent lets you. It wasn't a case that Broner had a bad night at the office. It was more a case that his skills and talents weren't enough to beat what Maidana brought. Could be down to maturity, experience, size etc. But, it also could be down to what he has, or has not got. His D was his main problem last night. I think it just wasn't as solid as we thought. Solid, but leaking a bit too much. Composure under pressure and attack was what let him down the most.

Themonkey · 15-12-2013 09:28PM

has any one seen or heard anything from broner cant find any post fight interviews anywere

willmunny1990 · 15-12-2013 09:41PM

walshb wrote: »

Not sure this is true. You can only be as good as the opponent lets you. It wasn't a case that Broner had a bad night at the office. It was more a case that his skills and talents weren't enough to beat what Maidana brought. Could be down to maturity, experience, size etc. But, it also could be down to what he has, or has not got. His D was his main problem last night. I think it just wasn't as solid as we thought. Solid, but leaking a bit too much. Composure under pressure and attack was what let him down the most.

Agreed. I also think WW is to heavy for him at the moment. He needs to drop down again, he is small and will be found out badly again if he stays at welter.

He has good qualities, problem is those qualities aren't as good as Broner thinks they are.

Id like to think this will be a wake up call and make him cop on, his behaviour is ridiculous, its not funny, its not smart and its not believable. Hes not Mayweather and he really needs to stop trying to be.

supersean1999 · 15-12-2013 09:55PM

Themonkey wrote: »

has any one seen or heard anything from broner cant find any post fight interviews anywere

On Twitter he said mm fought a good fight. And that he was ok.

Big Ears · 15-12-2013 09:59PM

walshb wrote: »

Not sure this is true. You can only be as good as the opponent lets you. It wasn't a case that Broner had a bad night at the office. It was more a case that his skills and talents weren't enough to beat what Maidana brought. Could be down to maturity, experience, size etc. But, it also could be down to what he has, or has not got. His D was his main problem last night. I think it just wasn't as solid as we thought. Solid, but leaking a bit too much. Composure under pressure and attack was what let him down the most.

willmunny1990 wrote: »

Agreed. I also think WW is to heavy for him at the moment. He needs to drop down again, he is small and will be found out badly again if he stays at welter.

He has good qualities, problem is those qualities aren't as good as Broner thinks they are.

Id like to think this will be a wake up call and make him cop on, his behaviour is ridiculous, its not funny, its not smart and its not believable. Hes not Mayweather and he really needs to stop trying to be.

See I think Broner actually has the skills and ability to clearly beat Maidana, but part of his problem is that he thinks he's the second coming of Floyd, so he tries to box like Floyd. Broner is excellent when coming forward, such quick hands and can really put his punches together so well.
But you put him into a shoulder roll defence position and have him sit back and he just isn't able to throw his shots the same....infact once he goes into that position he just doesn't seem to know what he's doing anymore.

While Broner's power certainly isn't the same at Welterweight I thought he hurt Maidana in that last round, and I believe if he had come forward more, pushed Maidana back (which would of negated some of his effectiveness), he'd have possibly managed to score a stoppage win over the Argentinian.
But Floyd Mayweather doesn't come forward throwing hard combinations switching to body and head (not often anyway)....so Broner decides he's not going to either.
Either he learns that's not a back foot, sit on the ropes ala Mayweather or Sweet Pea, and counter kind of guy or his career will ultimately end in failure.

Like others have said I think he also needs to drop down to 140 (not sure he can make 135 anymore), because Maidana isn't the biggest of Welters and Broner did struggle with his size and physicality.

walshb · 15-12-2013 10:11PM

Big Ears wrote: »

See I think Broner actually has the skills and ability to clearly beat Maidana, but part of his problem is that he thinks he's the second coming of Floyd, so he tries to box like Floyd. Broner is excellent when coming forward, such quick hands and can really put his punches together so well.
But you put him into a shoulder roll defence position and have him sit back and he just isn't able to throw his shots the same....infact once he goes into that position he just doesn't seem to know what he's doing anymore.

While Broner's power certainly isn't the same at Welterweight I thought he hurt Maidana in that last round, and I believe if he had come forward more, pushed Maidana back (which would of negated some of his effectiveness), he'd have possibly managed to score a stoppage win over the Argentinian.
But Floyd Mayweather doesn't come forward throwing hard combinations switching to body and head (not often anyway)....so Broner decides he's not going to either.
Either he learns that's not a back foot, sit on the ropes ala Mayweather or Sweet Pea, and counter kind of guy or his career will ultimately end in failure.

Like others have said I think he also needs to drop down to 140 (not sure he can make 135 anymore), because Maidana isn't the biggest of Welters and Broner did struggle with his size and physicality.

But he seemed to only be able to walk down Maidana after Maidana began to tire. Maidana's stamina isn't grade A IMO. The first few rds Broner was on the run and being caught a lot and being stunned. Then Maidana seemed to really tire and only then did Broner get on top and push a tiring Maidana backwards. Maidan got a second wind, landed and again hurt Broner.

strongback · 15-12-2013 10:26PM

walshb wrote: »

Not sure this is true. You can only be as good as the opponent lets you. It wasn't a case that Broner had a bad night at the office. It was more a case that his skills and talents weren't enough to beat what Maidana brought. Could be down to maturity, experience, size etc. But, it also could be down to what he has, or has not got. His D was his main problem last night. I think it just wasn't as solid as we thought. Solid, but leaking a bit too much. Composure under pressure and attack was what let him down the most.

The fact Maidana has shown himself over his career to be a crude limited puncher with a solid chin says to me he shouldn't have been able to lay as much leather on Broner as he did. It's true Broner had a very easy route to being a three weight world champion and Paulie exposed his lack of defence but that doesn't mean he is suddenly lacking in talent.

Broner has had an awful attitude towards opponents and believed his own hype that he was the new Floyd. With a better mindset and maybe actually taking a few pages out of a Mayweather's fighting playbook he would undoubtedly improve. He needs to work on defence alright but he's the right side of 25.

Broner has quick hands, very quick hands, a good jab and a good variety of punches. His footwork is nowhere near the likes of Floyd and either is his shoulder roll so he needs to sort his defence out.

Broner isn't going to be an ATG but he can be a solid champion. I have no doubt he could beat Maidana. He would just need to box clever. Getting badly rocked and knocked down in the second and possibly having his jaw broken was a disaster he made it too hard for himself. It took Froch 4 or 5 rounds to recover from the Groves KD.

I have no sympathy for Broner but I'm not judging him only on that performance.

Big Ears · 15-12-2013 10:28PM

walshb wrote: »

But he seemed to only be able to walk down Maidana after Maidana began to tire. Maidana's stamina isn't grade A IMO. The first few rds Broner was on the run and being caught a lot and being stunned. Then Maidana seemed to really tire and only then did Broner get on top and push a tiring Maidana backwards. Maidan got a second wind, landed and again hurt Broner.

He only started to back Maidana up a bit after he tired, correct. I don't think he tried to walk him down at all (bar maybe once or twice) in the fight. Maidana's stamina is indeed not the best (Well to be fair he does throw a lot and load up a huge amount), but Broner seemed to just want centre ring at most when Maidana was tired, even then he didn't try to back Maidana up.

Yes he was shook up and hurt on occasion, and coming forward he'd have to put up with that, but Maidana isn't as dangerous on the back foot and I believe if Broner came forward early in the fight (where he seemed happy to go back as the marauding Maidana came forward), he could have taken away a lot of what Maidana offers and done some damage himself.

Wild_Dogger · 15-12-2013 11:44PM

Don't think Kavanagh was aired, I didn't see it anyway.

It would be good to see Broner loose, but the manner in which he lost was fantastic.

He came in super-arrogant and disrespectful and left a humble broken shell of an ego.
Don't forget how he was exposed by diving to the ground after the head-butt. Broner's heart was broken and he was looking for the 'cowards way out'. Thank God that the ref was having none of it.

I don't think he'll leave his house for a month !

It's going to be very interesting to see his new personality when he's back in the spotlight. He can't carry on with the brash carry on - it has no credibility anymore

Johner · 15-12-2013 11:59PM

What next for Maidana? Malignaggi would interest me! Also think Porter - Maidana would be fun to watch!

gene_tunney · 16-12-2013 12:00AM

I actually don't think the loss will affect his ego much. It was an act and so it's not like his actual beliefs were shattered. The show will go on.

Johner · 16-12-2013 12:02AM

Big Ears · 16-12-2013 12:22AM

Wild_Dogger wrote: »

Don't think Kavanagh was aired, I didn't see it anyway.

Kavanagh was on a different card. The card was televised on Televisa in Mexico and while I'm not certain I believe Kavanagh's fight was meant to be aired.

Also, although it can't happen due to promoters and tv networks......how good would Provodnikov vs Maidana be ?

anto77 · 16-12-2013 12:39AM

was very nervous waiting for those scorecards to be read out. i promised that if they gave a draw or somehow scored it for broener i would be done with boxing so at least the sport maintained some shred of credibility last night.

thought broener's dry humping was up there with the tyson ear bite as one of the lowest acts ive ever seen in a ring. thought the fight was hugely entertaining - had it all.

delighted for maidana - typical hard as nails argentinian. was goin to back him, but by ko, thought if it went the distance then broener would have it. I think there'll be a rematch - a lot of people will want to see it again and i reckin broener won't have any issues taking it.

Digital Society · 16-12-2013 12:50AM

Loved this Vine

https://vine.co/v/h2UJbXT3rpl

Henno30 · 16-12-2013 01:49AM

First off, delighted for Chino. A straight up warrior who's worked very hard for his day in the sun.

Secondly, Broner

Last night was when we were going to find out if he was real or hype, and we got our answer. Maidana is as straightforward as they come, but he gave Broner one or two puzzles to solve and Broner was clueless. What would he do if he actually met a top class boxer?

I knew he didn't have the footwork to box Maidana off the back foot, but I'm amazed at how easy he was to hit. Maidana isn't all that accurate, isn't particularly fast, and tends to get very arm weary during the middle rounds in every fight. He was finding Broner with ease.

Unless Broner's throwing with the kind of power that makes his opponent gun shy, he's a sitting duck. If Maidana can get to him, the likes of Danny Garcia or Matthysse would knock him out. He's a silver spoon fighter who's got too many gifts in his career already. He got jumped over a long, long queue to get the belt from Malignaggi. If we never saw him hold another belt again I wouldn't miss him. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

SRFC · 16-12-2013 02:00AM

Serious hate for Broner on here

I dont mind him as much one defeat wont ruin his career he's still young and very talented he will be back.

Henno30 · 16-12-2013 02:09AM

SRFC wrote: »

Serious hate for Broner on here I dont mind him as much one defeat wont ruin his career he's still young and very talented he will be back.

I never had real 'hate' for him. But Chino showed him up as a fraud last night n my opinion. Maidana is an entertaining fighter, and universally liked, but he's crude.

We knew going in that Broner wouldn't have the footwork or the balance to fight Maidana off the back foot, as most good fighters would. But what most people assumed was that his defence was good enough to make it difficult for Maidana to land clean shots in him, at least in any kind of serious quantity.

Well me and most of the rest of the world were proved wrong on that one. His defence, his anticipation of what's coming next, it's every bit as bad as PDL made him look years back when Broner was given a gift decision over him.

So the guy can't box off the back foot, and he can't slip or deflect shots against someone as straightforward as Chino either. What does that leave you with? A guy who needs to beat on small, overmatched fighters, cheating them in the scales first if possible (see Escobedo fight), and then taunt them afterwards.

He's a reality tv star, not a top level fighter. He thought he was the next Mayweather. If he's lucky he might be the next Berto.

SRFC · 16-12-2013 02:15AM

Henno30 wrote: »

I never had real 'hate' for him. But Chino showed him up as a fraud last night n my opinion. Maidana is an entertaining fighter, and universally liked, but he's crude.

We knew going in that Broner wouldn't have the footwork or the balance to fight Maidana off the back foot, as most good fighters would. But what most people assumed was that his defence was good enough to make it difficult for Maidana to land clean shots in him, at least in any kind of serious quantity.

Well me and most of the rest of the world were proved wrong on that one. His defence, his anticipation of what's coming next, it's every bit as bad as PDL made him look years back when Broner was given a gift decision over him.

So the guy can't box off the back foot, and he can't slip or deflect shots against someone as straightforward as Chino either. What does that leave you with? A guy who needs to beat on small, overmatched fighters, cheating them in the scales first if possible (see Escobedo fight), and then taunt them afterwards.

He's a reality tv star, not a top level fighter. He thought he was the next Mayweather. If he's lucky he might be the next Berto.

I know he brought every bit of this on himself by hanging around with mayweather and trying to be like him,I even heard him saying he hopes to be better at the end of his career than floyd,but a good bit is self promo aswell its all about the $$$ he can hardly go around saying im average ect ect,Its not fair to compare anybody to mayweather because as we know he is an absolute freak of an athlete despite what his critics say he really is an all time great and you cannot compare people to him lightly.

Henno30 · 16-12-2013 02:26AM

As you say, he put the noose around his own neck. The problem with that 'act' he adopted is that you need to be good to pull it off. A lot better than he appears to be. That image is completely shattered when you get beaten, especially if you get as solidly and thoroughly beaten down as he was last night.

I like Maidana, but he's very ordinary. He was dominated by Devon Alexander. Broner doesn't have the legs Alexander has. His whole deal was being James Toney in the pocket. I even saw people suggest that last night was going to be another Toney-Barkley.

But Maidana beat him up. It's a big deal given where Broner's strengths were supposed to be. It's worse than looking bad against Malignaggi, it's even worse than losing to PDL. It suggests the guy isn't all that good at the only thing he was supposed to be good at. He doesn't have any other dimensions. It's a really bad defeat.

Maybe he can pull a big victory out of somewhere, and turn things around. But right now he looks like he's on a one-way ticket to Berto-ville. If he's lucky, as I said before.

Talib Fiasco · 16-12-2013 02:34AM

Some of these are absolutely brilliant! Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy

http://hiphopwired.com/2013/12/15/adrien-broner-loses-inspires-hilarious-twitter-slander-photos/

Henno30 · 16-12-2013 02:46AM

Talib Fiasco wrote: »

Some of these are absolutely brilliant! Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy
http://hiphopwired.com/2013/12/15/adrien-broner-loses-inspires-hilarious-twitter-slander-photos/

That Maury one is brilliant

I think I'm going to rewatch all those All Access episodes now.

Adrien Broner vs Marcos Maidana

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