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Pensioners make bonus plea to Government

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    #62
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Nobody on benefit should be entitled to a Christmas bonus of any kind ,
    Do workers who have to provide for families on a low income do they get Christmas bonuses ,
    No .

    A lot of pensioners own there own homes and so on they always love to give the poor pensioners sob stories ,

    Real world issues first

    If they can't afford little Jonny and Mary expensive presents so what ,
    Little Jonny and Mary arent going to loose sleep over it
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    #63
    Sulla Felix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    SCOOP 64 wrote: »
    Not every pensioner is on the bread line, some have more money then i will ever have, my neighbour as just bought a new car (pensioner) i remember him moaning over the garden fence when he lost the bonus payment, some don't deserve a bonus payment ,but most do.
    This. My uncle draws the state pension. He has a well funded private pension that he hasn't touched because he still works for the company he set up forty years ago.
    As much as I love him, he doesn't need the state pension, or the travelcard, so what if he's 70?


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    #64
    NuckingFacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    Sulla Felix wrote: »
    This. My uncle draws the state pension. He has a well funded private pension that he hasn't touched because he still works for the company he set up forty years ago.
    As much as I love him, he doesn't need the state pension, or the travelcard, so what if he's 70?
    He is obviously a typical pensioner so and I bow to the pressure. All the rich old fcukers can rot in hell. I'm off down to the Mammy for a lend of a few bob. The old biddy has obviously been rolling in it for years and never let on. How dare she ask for me to help pay her property tax. The lying old scrooge.


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    #65
    Sulla Felix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    NuckingFacker wrote: »
    He is obviously a typical pensioner so and I bow to the pressure. All the rich old fcukers can rot in hell. I'm off down to the Mammy for a lend of a few bob. The old biddy has obviously been rolling in it for years and never let on. How dare she ask for me to help pay her property tax. The lying old scrooge.
    Don't be so childish. Some pensioners need it, your mother evidently, some don't.
    Is that too hard a concept to grasp?


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    #66
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    NuckingFacker wrote: »
    someone asked where exactly the 260 mil was going to come from if this bonus was going to be paid. I'd give our own "aid" first, then see whats left to fire off to foreign causes. Not the other way round.

    I can only assume ypu agree so that if they give their money away they shouldnt ask for more seeing as you chose not to reply to my other post aswell.


    And on another note, going back to near the start where someone (possibly yourself) commented about how hard it is to survive on the pension and how low the rate is, its more than the dole and up until recently also had add ons like free phone. Considering most pensioners dont have dependants living with them and dont have mortgages , why do they need the money more than a guy that lost his job and has a mortgage and a ypung family to support? Id actually go the other way and wonder what they are spending their money on if people getting less with more outgoings are getting by.


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    #67
    NuckingFacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    Sulla Felix wrote: »
    Don't be so childish. Some pensioners need it, your mother evidently, some don't.
    Is that too hard a concept to grasp?
    Make your mind up. Considering that they can't means test the childrens allowance, what hope do they have in pinning down the finances of a load of cunning elderly folk? So pay them all the bonus. If some don't need it, there you go. Loads do. They're not getting it anyway, as stated, so this is all academic anyway. And dull. And will somhow end up with me being the bad guy. As per usual.


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    #68
    Sulla Felix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    NuckingFacker wrote: »
    Make your mind up.
    About what? My position, outlined in a massive total of two posts in this thread, has been internally consistent in pointing out that not all those of pensionable aid require state assistance. It doesn't require much in the lines of reading comprehension to see that.
    Considering that they can't means test the childrens allowance, what hope do they have in pinning down the finances of a load of cunning elderly folk? So pay them all the bonus. If some don't need it, there you go. Loads do. They're not getting it anyway, as stated, so this is all academic anyway. And dull. And will somhow end up with me being the bad guy. As per usual.
    If this is all academic, why not talk about the best possible outcome even if it won't be achieved? It's a discussion forum, if we were restricted to talking about only those issues that could realisistically be resolved within the Irish political system we wouldn't have a lot to talk about.


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    #69
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    “I would always buy cigarettes or a cake for someone who’s down on their luck, but I just can’t do it anymore. You have to cut your cloth now.”

    Yes, put the country into more debt so we can buy people fags and cake… great idea..


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    #70
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    The Christmas bonus was totally unnecessary and was rightly scrapped given the monumental debt the country is in, which these pensioners wont be paying off.


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    #71
    D1stant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭D1stant


    there was a proposal by FG/Lab (can't remember which) to have one central body means test everyone & this would feed in to all kinds of things such as tax credits, pensions, grants, children's allowance, - everything

    I thought it was a cracking idea. Inequality is what we need to tackle. And if we did everything proportional to wealth we would save a lot of money, and frankly looking at the gaping hole in your wage packet every month would be more palatable. This would ensure that those pensioners who struggle to heat their home @ Xmas do get a double payment whereas <insert loaded ex politician/business man here> does not. FFS Michael O Leary et al getting children's allowance.... Oh such reform boys

    Never happened though AFAIK. As Lord Rabbitte said "well.... that's the type of thing you do in an election...."


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    #72
    Amirani
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    NuckingFacker wrote: »
    He is obviously a typical pensioner so and I bow to the pressure. All the rich old fcukers can rot in hell. I'm off down to the Mammy for a lend of a few bob. The old biddy has obviously been rolling in it for years and never let on. How dare she ask for me to help pay her property tax. The lying old scrooge.

    Any reason in particular the pensions shouldn't be increased to 1000 euro per week? Sure they worked all their lives, why would you begrudge them a few extra quid?


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    #73
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,706 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    yes, some people don't have a clue. do you know how much(little) the state pension is? you are barely able to survive on it. do you have older family members? why dont you go talk to them about it or have they disowed you? you troll.
    I do know what it is, about 2.5 times what my dad gets for his german one, the english one is about the same, what is your point?


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    #74
    looking_around
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,491 ✭✭✭looking_around


    What i dont get is why is always pensioners? What about the disables? Most people on disability are genuinely struggling. They live their life poor because there is nothing they can do about it.

    Most pensioners and i know quite a few on the basic pension are doing just fine. They have no mortgage to pay, in general, no rent. Those are huge chunks of most peoples pay packet.
    Why can' they save throughout the year like those working for Christmas? People will spend a fiver without thought. So why not save a fiver a week? That would be 235 by December, there's their double.

    I know 2 pensioners on the basic pension, with 5 dogs, they go on holiday once to twice a year. Give their 5 kids 50 euro for Xmas/birthday, and their 7 gran kids 20€.
    Again, they are on the basic pension. (Oh and they eat take out nightly)

    Are you going to say that they're magically better off than everyone else on just the basic pension?


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    #75
    judge_dredd
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 38 ✭judge_dredd


    btard wrote: »
    Of all the cuts since the crash I've always thought this was the most despicable. Can't fathom people who would begrudge a pensioner a little extra at xmas.


    pensioners already have it great in this country , the state pension here is double what the elderly recieve in the uk

    the over sixties are the wealthiest age demographic in the country and have suffered the least since the rescession began

    no tears here


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    #76
    judge_dredd
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 38 ✭judge_dredd


    btard wrote: »
    I consider myself very lucky to be working and paying the higher rate of income tax too. I don't get any bonus at xmas myself, but I wouldn't begrudge some of my taxes helping out pensioners or even the long term unemployed at this time of year.


    the vast majority of pensioners are not short a pound , none die due to an insufficent wellfare payment from the state , sure old people die due to cold related illness but that could happen to a millionaire once they reach old age

    the state pension is incredibly generous in this country and will become less generous going forward as its completley unafordable and underfunded


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    #77
    4zn76tysfajdxp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    NuckingFacker wrote: »
    He is obviously a typical pensioner so and I bow to the pressure. All the rich old fcukers can rot in hell. I'm off down to the Mammy for a lend of a few bob. The old biddy has obviously been rolling in it for years and never let on. How dare she ask for me to help pay her property tax. The lying old scrooge.

    Were you not saying just a few nights ago that everyone in your family is filthy rich and "being a millionaire means you have to try a bit harder?" Maybe she should've tried harder.


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    #78
    banquo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,487 ✭✭✭banquo


    Regardless of how you view the parents, it mostly goes to buy presents for their children, innocent in their family's financial circumstances.

    Double child benefit for those on the dole or something I'd get behind in a heartbeat.


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    #79
    Sulla Felix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    banquo wrote: »
    Regardless of how you view the parents, it mostly goes to buy presents for their children, innocent in their family's financial circumstances.

    Double child benefit for those on the dole or something I'd get behind in a heartbeat.
    To provide an even higher financial disincentive to getting off the dole? wtf


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    #80
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    judge_dredd wrote: »
    pensioners already have it great in this country , the state pension here is double what the elderly recieve in the uk

    the over sixties are the wealthiest age demographic in the country and have suffered the least since the rescession began

    no tears here
    Speaking of recession, which demographic played a pivotal role keeping FF in power while they presided over the boom? Was it my group, the under 30s who will be paying off the debts we did not create until we die? Or was it the grey "thanks charlie" vote who have been disproportionately un effected by the recession?


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    #81
    Menas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    The state pension will sadly be gradually reduced in real terms over the coming decades as the government want people to make their own pension plans rather than be dependant on the state.
    So to reintroduce the bonus would go against this strategy.


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    #82
    Kristopherus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,902 ✭✭✭✭Kristopherus


    judge_dredd wrote: »
    the vast majority of pensioners are not short a pound , none die due to an insufficent wellfare payment from the state , sure old people die due to cold related illness but that could happen to a millionaire once they reach old age

    the state pension is incredibly generous in this country and will become less generous going forward as its completley unafordable and underfunded

    Absolute rubbish. The vast majority are just getting by. And they die from the cold because their income does not allow them to provide enough heat:mad:.


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    #83
    Supernintento Chalmers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 570 ✭✭✭Supernintento Chalmers


    NuckingFacker wrote: »
    He is obviously a typical pensioner so and I bow to the pressure. All the rich old fcukers can rot in hell. I'm off down to the Mammy for a lend of a few bob. The old biddy has obviously been rolling in it for years and never let on. How dare she ask for me to help pay her property tax. The lying old scrooge.

    I'm hearing similar stories all the time, from people in a similar situation as yourself being forced to pay property tax that they can ill afford.
    Property tax on second homes would be fair enough but not on people's primary residence.


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    #84
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    jank wrote: »
    Yes, put the country into more debt so we can buy people fags and cake… great idea..

    "Let them eat cake?"


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    #85
    ahnowbrowncow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,591 ✭✭✭ahnowbrowncow


    camel jockey wrote: »
    Yes, homophobic bullying is very funny, I think we can all agree. :rolleyes:

    Hopefully Karma will repay the poster...

    Homophobic?


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    #86
    Phoebas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,373 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    ahnowbrowncow wrote: »
    Homophobic?

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=knob-jockey


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    #87
    Shout Dust
    Closed Accounts Posts: 341 ✭✭Shout Dust


    Phoebas wrote: »
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=knob-jockey


    The first time I ever heard that term was a girl to another girl, hardly homophobic


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    #88
    NuckingFacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    Leandro Clever Summerhouse wrote: »
    Were you not saying just a few nights ago that everyone in your family is filthy rich and "being a millionaire means you have to try a bit harder?" Maybe she should've tried harder.
    She's 82. We came from dirt, broke as5 poor - bad Roscommon land full of rushes and stones - sleeping on bare floors poor as it happens. Whatever we got we worked for so jam your jibes where the sun doesn't shine. I pay all her bills as it happens and I'm glad to do so. You're getting on my hoop with your snipey guff. Anything good ever come out of your mouth?


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    #89
    judge_dredd
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 38 ✭judge_dredd


    Kristopherus wrote: »
    Absolute rubbish. The vast majority are just getting by. And they die from the cold because their income does not allow them to provide enough heat:mad:.

    you need to stop swallowing the " age action " or some other quango line , if pensioners in the uk get by on 110 pound per week , they can get by here on 230 euro per week , the grocery bill for one person per week shouldnt be much over fifty euro , everything else is subsidised in some shape or form once you hit pension age


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    #90
    zenno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    Just waiting for Frada to respond, this should be interesting.

    Frada is like an Electron, one minute she's there, the next minute she's not. I mean this in a good way ;)


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    #91
    Crea
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,049 ✭✭✭Crea


    Contributory pension is €230.30 per week
    Non-contrib pension is 219 per week

    Electricity/Gas allowance of €35 per month
    Fuel allowance €20 per week
    Free travel pass
    Medical card
    There is rent/mortgage allowance too but most pensioners have their mortgages paid off.

    TBH i'd wonder what people are spending their money on if they struggle on this.


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