Pensioners make bonus plea to Government

anncoates · 15-12-2013 12:04PM

NuckingFacker wrote: »

I'm fecking laughing again there mate. I get taxed at 42%, all I ever do is pay fecking tax. Hopefully they'll give it to some auld wan so she can buy tinsel and a naggin of Port. I'd rather that than if they give it to Cowen so he can buy another steak dinner in the Shelbourne. I don't begrudge them a thing. My own Ma is on a pension and it's crap. Funnily enough, I've never been on the Dole, tbtg, I get the absolute bollix taxed out of what I earn, but I don't begrudge either pensioners or people on the Dole. If they are entitled to it, give it to them - as long as it's reasonable. If it's a tad generous, whatever. Some people absolutely milk it and take the mick, but there you go. I don't get the huge desire to see people eating out of bins? WTF is that all about?

Funny how people pass the royal pronouncement about stuff they don't want to contribute tax to, as if they're the only ones paying it.

I'm also taxed at higher rate and there's far worse things that my taxes subsidise than old age pensions.

camel jockey · 15-12-2013 12:04PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Most people on the dole did not get it, it was only for those unemployed for more than 15 months.

That's even worse. Anyone on the dole for more than 15 consecutive months back in the boom days didn't want to work.

camel jockey · 15-12-2013 12:06PM

anncoates wrote: »

Funny how people pass the royal pronouncement about stuff they don't want to contribute tax to, as if they're the only ones paying it.

I'm also taxed at higher rate and there's far worse things that my taxes subsidise than old age pensions.

Don't get us started on the public sector...

NuckingFacker · 15-12-2013 12:06PM

camel jockey wrote: »

I laughed when I saw the Moderator had received an infraction. I'd have expected him to know better. :P

Probably a rush of blood

It was a bit blunt. GFYS mustn't stand for "Good felicitations young Sir" after all.

anncoates · 15-12-2013 12:07PM

camel jockey wrote: »

I laughed when I saw the Moderator had received an infraction. I'd have expected him to know better. :P

Don't think this kind of back seat gloating is allowed either.

Shout Dust · 15-12-2013 12:09PM

Ted_YNWA wrote: »

Yes it is, but the premise of it is based on is a on a religious holiday if you strip out the commercialism.

So? You'd have a point if only Christians got the benefit of the holiday, but its a public holiday. The payment would be made to everyone, regardless of religion.

NuckingFacker · 15-12-2013 12:11PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Half them probably give more than the equivelant of a weeks money to the church over the course of the year, I know mine did.

Outrageous. The charitable feckers should be punished severly for that. How dare they spend their money on whatever they like.

camel jockey · 15-12-2013 12:13PM

NuckingFacker wrote: »

Probably a rush of blood It was a bit blunt. GFYS mustn't stand for "Good felicitations young Sir" after all.

I don't think that was the offending comment.

camel jockey · 15-12-2013 12:16PM

anncoates wrote: »

Don't think this kind of back seat gloating is allowed either.

Thanks you for pointing that out, I will take this feedback on board in future.

Having said that, there doesn't seem to be any issue with people thanking a mod post where the mod posts specifically on someone being infracted or banned, so there may be some ambiguity around this.

dxhound2005 · 15-12-2013 12:19PM

FF courted the pensioners big time. The "bonus" used only be 70% but they made it 100%. And pensioners were well looked after by Bertie and Charlie every week. But when it all went belly up the pensioners (rich ones) turned on FF. Funnily enough although the pension has been left unchanged since 2009 there has been little protest looking for an increase.

http://economic-incentives.blogspot.ie/2010/11/pension-rates.html

Prior to 2010 there was only one year since 1998 when the increase in the contributory old-age pension was less than the rate of inflation. This was in 2000 when the pension was increased by 5.1% while inflation was running at 5.6%. In each subsequent year to 2009 the increases in the pension outstripped inflation.

We can also see that the total amount paid by the State in contributory old-age pensions has increased from €413 million in 1997 to €3,340 million in 2009 – an increase of 709% which is driven by demographic changes as well as increases in the rates.

zenno · 15-12-2013 12:19PM

Ah just bring the bloody christmas bonus back, sure the IMF are gone now, I like bubbles, bring the bubble back.

btard · 15-12-2013 12:21PM

camel jockey wrote: »

And those of us who work and pay income tax at the higher rate can't fathom why we should pay extra income tax to give someone else a 'bonus'.

I consider myself very lucky to be working and paying the higher rate of income tax too. I don't get any bonus at xmas myself, but I wouldn't begrudge some of my taxes helping out pensioners or even the long term unemployed at this time of year.

Sulla Felix · 15-12-2013 12:24PM

NuckingFacker wrote: »

Outrageous. The charitable feckers should be punished severly for that. How dare they spend their money on whatever they like.

I think the point being made is that anyone putting that much on discretionary spending probably doesn't really need a leg up.

camel jockey · 15-12-2013 12:26PM

btard wrote: »

I consider myself very lucky to be working and paying the higher rate of income tax too. I don't get any bonus at xmas myself, but I wouldn't begrudge some of my taxes helping out pensioners or even the long term unemployed at this time of year.

Do you understand that it would mean you paying MORE tax?

So the higher rate would go up? The money won't come from anywhere else, there isn't a pot of unspent tax that needs to be directed somewhere.

NuckingFacker · 15-12-2013 12:28PM

camel jockey wrote: »

Do you understand that it would mean you paying MORE tax?

So the higher rate would go up? The money won't come from anywhere else, there isn't a pot of unspent tax that needs to be directed somewhere.

We'll agree to differ on that one. Mis-spent might be a better word than unspent.

camel jockey · 15-12-2013 12:41PM

NuckingFacker wrote: »

We'll agree to differ on that one. Mis-spent might be a better word than unspent.

So tell me how you will raise this 260 million? Without burning any bond holders or breaking any legally binding contracts with regard to pensions or salaries.

I have no doubt the money is there to be saved, I agree there are plenty of inefficiencies in the public sector and running of the government, but any savings should either lead t tax cuts that benefit all taxpayers, or to reducing the annual deficit.

NuckingFacker · 15-12-2013 12:45PM

How much did we give to overseas aid again? Just remind me, I forget. Charity begins at home, but to be fair, calling a pension bonus "charity" is an insult to Pensioners - they did the slog, now it's someones elses problem to ensure they're well taken care of. Like I said, it should be a matter of national pride. Who would want to be known for how tough you are on the elderly and unfortunate? Is that some sort of badge of pride? It's not one I'd fancy wearing tbh.

Guy:Incognito · 15-12-2013 12:51PM

NuckingFacker wrote: »

Outrageous. The charitable feckers should be punished severly for that. How dare they spend their money on whatever they like.

They can spend it on whatever they like but if they give it away they can **** off coming back and asking for more.

If they are in such need of a christmas bonus to survive then they arein a catagory of needing charity themselves so shouldnt be giving their money away.

What would your boss say if you went in asking him to replace the weeks wages ypu just gave to the wino down the road?

Guy:Incognito · 15-12-2013 12:54PM

NuckingFacker wrote: »

How much did we give to overseas aid again? Just remind me, I forget..

Thats another thread again. Its something thats should definately be cut or stopped when we are borrowing to send it.

smcgiff · 15-12-2013 12:55PM

NuckingFacker wrote: »

How much did we give to overseas aid again? Just remind me, I forget. Charity begins at home, but to be fair, calling a pension bonus "charity" is an insult to Pensioners - they did the slog, now it's someones elses problem to ensure they're well taken care of. Like I said, it should be a matter of national pride. Who would want to be known for how tough you are on the elderly and unfortunate? Is that some sort of badge of pride? It's not one I'd fancy wearing tbh.

Why only give them the bonus once a year? These people worked through the economic war, they built up this country to where it is now. Why should they only have this benefit once a year? How scummy is that.

Shame on you NuckingFacker. You must have no loved ones that rely on a pension.

Only once a year? Bah humbug, you scrooge.

NuckingFacker · 15-12-2013 01:01PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Thats another thread again. Its something thats should definately be cut or stopped when we are borrowing to send it.

someone asked where exactly the 260 mil was going to come from if this bonus was going to be paid. I'd give our own "aid" first, then see whats left to fire off to foreign causes. Not the other way round.

NuckingFacker · 15-12-2013 01:03PM

smcgiff wrote: »

Why only give them the bonus once a year? These people worked through the economic war, they built up this country to where it is now. Why should they only have this benefit once a year? How scummy is that.

Shame on you NuckingFacker. You must have no loved ones that rely on a pension.

Only once a year? Bah humbug, you scrooge.

Well said. Glad you're seeing sense. Fair play - must have taken a good look at things and seen the light. I applaud you. Keep up the good work.

smcgiff · 15-12-2013 01:08PM

NuckingFacker wrote: »

Well said. Gla
d you're seeing sense. Fair play - must have taken a good look at things and seen the light. I applaud you. Keep up the good work.

Oh, I see right through you.

Also, agree 100% with you re foreign aid. Shure, isn't it more important for an Irish pensioner to buy cotton socks for little Johnny than help johnny foreigner's most basic needs.

dissed doc · 15-12-2013 01:09PM

camel jockey wrote: »

http://www.dublinpeople.com/article.php?id=3094&l=100

Really shows that some people haven't a clue.

We are still running a significant deficit, so these people think we should heap on further debt or taxes to the tune of EUR 260 million a year?

This is the reason I hate paying taxes.

North Dublin looking for handouts as usual. free money, give me free money, etc., .

SCOOP 64 · 15-12-2013 01:16PM

Not every pensioner is on the bread line, some have more money then i will ever have, my neighbour as just bought a new car (pensioner) i remember him moaning over the garden fence when he lost the bonus payment, some don't deserve a bonus payment ,but most do.

smcgiff · 15-12-2013 01:21PM

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

Not every pensioner is on the bread line, some have more money then i will ever have, my neighbour as just bought a new car (pensioner) i remember him moaning over the garden fence when he lost the bonus payment, some don't deserve a bonus payment ,but most do.

I'd have no problem with those in genuine need getting extra at Christmas. It could be difficult to identify those most in need, but ideally it should be done.

However, I'd have little time for a lot of the reasons for wanting the bonus as mentioned in the article.

Santa Cruz · 15-12-2013 01:22PM

NuckingFacker wrote: »

They're pensioners. Old people no longer working. Why do you want them to be poor and doing without? Is that some sort of badge of honour, making elderly people scrimp and do without? I'd prefer if they gave them their bonus and let them enjoy a bit extra at Christmass - they've their work done and kept the kip going during their working lives. It's someones elses turn now and paying people a reasonably good pension should be a thing done with pride, not begrudged. It's the likes of Harney walking away with a crazy blockbuster pension that bugs the hole off me.

Why should I increase the profits of the manufacturers of corn plaster and Werthers Original toffees.

When we are living within our means we can throw a bit around

keeponhurling · 15-12-2013 01:24PM

If we decide to spend an extra 260 million, we need to borrow it.
So effectively we are deciding that pensioners now need a leg up at Christmas, and deciding on behalf of future generations that the can pay for it.

While future generations will also need to make their own provision for their own pensions.

That guy in the OP article is just ridiculous, he likes buying cigerettes for people down n their luck, WTF?

carpejugulum · 15-12-2013 01:24PM

Karma wrote: »

yes, some people don't have a clue. do you know how much(little) the state pension is? you are barely able to survive on it.

:pac:

Santa Cruz · 15-12-2013 01:29PM

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

Not every pensioner is on the bread line, some have more money then i will ever have, my neighbour as just bought a new car (pensioner) i remember him moaning over the garden fence when he lost the bonus payment, some don't deserve a bonus payment ,but most do.

Exactly. There are well off pensioners and those on the basic State Pension. But as one said do you give a bonus to one group and not to another. As for the single mother group what serious efforts are being made to get the natural father to support their offspring instead of landing the tax payer with the burden?

Pensioners make bonus plea to Government

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