Gerry Adams : Terrorist or Freedom Fighter?

LordSutch wrote: »

Specially for slow learning IRA apoligists; The - - - o pression - - - of N a t i o nalists --- by the Gov erning - - - Union ist - - - G o v e r n me n t in N o r t h e r n I r e l a n d - - - did Not warrent - - - the 30 years - - - of terrible Mur der - - - and ma hem..

Alas but it did. And I make few apologies.

LordSutch wrote: »

Non violent and civilised opposition over an extended period would have been a nice change to the narrow minded republican blood letting mentality of the early 20th century 1916 mindset.

Ahhh yes. "civilised" - stand there and be beaten and shot down. The same people and mentality who gunned down Arabs, Africans and Asians showed us their brand of "civilised" behaviour in Ballymurphy, Derry, the Falls....... No, theres only so much of that "civilised" behaviour a people can be expected to take.

LordSutch wrote: »

Non violent and civilised opposition over an extended period would have been a nice change

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There was non violent and civilised opposition at the start of the civil rights movement and it is the actions of an apartheid style state sponsored police force backed up by the B specials with Rev Ian Paisley shouting at the edge of neighbourhoods with his henchmen to burn them all that prompted many people to come to their own realisation that armed struggle was what they saw as the road to civil rights and equality. Pretty similar to the Black Panther movement in the states.

I mean, come on how could you or anyone live in a society where the police hated you, the local government wouldn't get you a public service job because of your religion and only one member of your house could vote. Whole streets were being burned down and thousands had to flee to the republic.

There was no protection for Ardoyne and the Falls and other catholic neighborhoods by the police. Who are supposed to be there to uphold the law. As is known the loyalist mobs were given a free reign to march in to these neighborhoods and start the sectarian racist burning out of catholics from their homes. With the echoes of Ian Paisley a reverend I may add telling them that catholics breed like rats and should be exterminated.

That is the background that started the troubles. It was fear, fear that if they didn't protect themselves they would be kicked out of their homes and so the troubles began. Similar to many similar human rights struggles at the end of colonialism and the beginning of the current world political scramble.

LordSutch wrote: »

30+ years of murder and bombing by the IRA was not warrented.

And still ne'er a word for the people who caused the problem in the first place. The same colonial mentality....

'The blacks should have realised what was good for them.'

'Those Indians were better off under the Raj.'

'The Chinese were happy when we were in charge.'

My name is URL wrote: »

Says the guy that happily wears a plastic flower every year in remembrance of those responsible for the bloody murders and torture of 100,000's of people.

Correct, I and hundreds of thousands/millions of people wear the (paper) poppy on the 11th/11th every year.
For my part to remember family war dead from WWI & WWII.

My name is URL wrote: »

No doubt that's just deflection too though.. Your cognitive dissonance is palpable

Dunno what that means, so I'll leave it.

LordSutch wrote: »

Its like a feckin PIRA terrorist nest in here, calling for backup, calling for backup!

The PIRA are long defunct.

If you are calling for backup, don't use the telegraph to the Admirality. They've changed buildings and theres been a few different colours added to the map.

LordSutch wrote: »

Yum yum, lovely din's thanks, will be watching Tele soon, so I'll leave you guys to pat each other on the back while you salute Padraig Pearse and the bearded demon, if not literally then metaphorically.

What was for dinner lord sutch ?

Was it roast british beef with Yorkshire pud and queens potatoes washed down with some bitter orange...:P








Just joking lord sutch hope you enjoyed;)

cloudatlas wrote: »

Is there a third option - murdering fantasist?

Who are you referring to?

This thread is about Gerry Adams. Best of my knowledge, he's not a murderer.

Unless you're aware of some trial the rest of us aren't

cloudatlas wrote: »

Is there a third option - murdering fantasist?

What was the fantasy, might I ask?

timthumbni wrote: »

The ira didn't have trials before they murdered people, to my knowledge.

Yep, it was a war. That's what happens a lot of the time.

LordSutch wrote: »

If you keep saying that then it will be, in your head, but nobody declared war on anybody else, but the PIRA did perpetrate a Terrorist campaign for 30+ years on the population of Northern Ireland, dirt bags that the PIRA were.

In your unbiased opinion, of course.
You don't claim to speak for everyone, do you?