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Sterilising Junkies

  • 13-12-2013 03:20PM
    #1
    Gannicus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭


    I was just in the thread on Vigilatism and I was reading a post thats says:
    Yellow121 wrote: »
    We need a group similar to this but take it to the big stage. Take over the state. Undesirables such as thieving bankers will be executed, junkies sterilised and others shipped off to sea. A new Ireland, come on lets do this. Who's with me?

    My question to everyone is related to the text I have made bold:

    Should Junkies be sterilised?

    I agree junkies should be sterilised. I have worked in the city centre consistantly over the last 6 years and it's a joke. Junkies are having junkie kids and they're all hanging around at Jervis Street/Luas Line & Lower Abbey St. Its a perpetual cycle.

    I know it can be considered a Nazi-style control issue, telling people whether they can or can't have kids but I think it would be for the better of the country as there would be less of a strain on the Gardai and Medical Services as time goes by with less and less of them around meaning the funding can be used to improve other parts of the system.

    I think it is actually worse for them to be allowed have kids that will grow up to be a junkie like mammy and/or daddy than it is to sterilize them.

    I read this article a good while back and I must say I think its a great idea:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/8071664/Drug-addict-sterilised-for-cash-but-can-Barbara-Harris-save-our-babies.html

    Is there many out there who agree with me?


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  • #2
    josip
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    I seem to recall a similar thread on this a little while back...


  • #3
    Merkin
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    josip wrote: »
    I seem to recall a similar thread on this a little while back...

    What, on eugenics?


  • #4
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Big Steve wrote: »
    I was just in the thread on Vigilatism and I was reading a post thats says:



    My question to everyone is related to the text I have made bold:

    Should Junkies be sterilised?

    I agree should junkies be sterilised. I have worked in the city centre consistantly over the last 6 years and it's a joke. Junkies are having junkie kids and they're all hanging around at Jervis Street/Luas Line & Lower Abbey St. Its a perpetual cycle.

    I know it can be considered a Nazi-style control issue, telling people whether they can or can't have kids but I think it would be for the better of the country as there would be less of a strain on the Gardai and Medical Services as time goes by with less and less of them around meaning the funding can be used to improve other parts of the system.

    I think it is actually worse for them to be allowed have kids that will grow up to be a junkie like mammy and/or daddy than it is to sterilize them.

    I read this article a good while back and I must say I think its a great idea:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/8071664/Drug-addict-sterilised-for-cash-but-can-Barbara-Harris-save-our-babies.html

    Is there many out there who agree with me?

    Rehabilitation would be a better option.


  • #5
    Matt_Trakker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭Matt_Trakker


    It would solve nothing, people choose to take drugs it's not genetic.......ya big Nazi.


  • #6
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    pfff op godwined opening post well done sir


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  • #7
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    What exactly do you suggest? A nice dettol bath or something?


  • #8
    josip
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    Merkin wrote: »
    What, on eugenics?

    This was the thread.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056965094

    It was about skangers, not junkies. My mistake.


  • #9
    lukesmom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,401 ✭✭✭lukesmom


    Awful idea. What gives anybody the right to dictate to anybody whether they can have kids or not? Yeah we would become a nazi nation. As another post said rehabilitation is a far better idea.


  • #10
    Duggy747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    Give them syringes with Dettol in them?


  • #11
    SEPT 23 1989
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    I would take the kids off them,you cant be a parent if you can barely look after yourself


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  • #12
    srsly78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,156 ✭✭✭srsly78


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    I would take the kids off them,you cant be a parent if you can barely look after yourself

    This is already supposed to happen surely? If the child is at risk they get taken away right?


  • #13
    strobe
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,872 ✭✭✭strobe


    I personally think that anyone that would genuinely be in favour of the forced sterilisation of human beings should be put up against a wall and shot.


  • #14
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,077 ✭✭✭✭josip


    strobe wrote: »
    I personally think that anyone that would genuinely be in favour of the forced sterilisation of human beings should be but up against a wall and shot.

    in the nads


  • #15
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    srsly78 wrote: »
    This is already supposed to happen surely? If the child is at risk they get taken away right?

    Only if they have different hair color than their parents.


  • #16
    TommyKnocker
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    srsly78 wrote: »
    This is already supposed to happen surely? If the child is at risk they get taken away right?
    It seems this only happens if the child has blonde hair, pale skin and lives with a Roma family. Apparently junkies can go stumbling around Dublin city center whacked off their faces on whatever, pushing babies in buggies and not a thing is said or done. Best interests of the child my a$$.


  • #17
    Temaz
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    After the junkies & criminals are all gone what will happen then?

    The sick? people who are gay? ones who have a different opinion than the people in charge?

    You'd genuinely wonder about people like the OP.


  • #18
    DeadHand
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    Who decides which are fit/unfit to have children?

    What could possibly qualify someone to sit in judgement over another human being and decide they cannot reproduce?

    Just because your parents are junkies does not mean you have no right to exist and that you do not have the potential to be an excellent human being. It'll be 1000 times more difficult, sure, but never impossible.

    And bear in mind that many in the middle classes are also drugged up to their eyeballs the only difference being the drugs they use are on prescription, legal and socially acceptable. Should we sterilize some of them too? Who next? Alcoholics? Prostitutes? Those with mental difficulties? Those with unacceptable political views? Those with a familial history of genetic defects? It starts with junkies, who does it end with? Polices like this beget more of the same, the slippery slope.

    The thing about fascism (and this proposal is fascism) is that it's simple, it's seductive, it's populist, it appeals to our angers, fears and all that is ugly within us. When the weakest are trampled underfoot it moves on to the next target. And on. And on.
    And eventually it will come for you and yours.


  • #19
    GreeBo
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    Temaz wrote: »
    After the junkies & criminals are all gone what will happen then?

    The sick? people who are gay? ones who have a different opinion than the people in charge?

    You'd genuinely wonder about people like the OP.

    Thats the equivalent of saying
    "locking up criminals? whats next, locking up people I dont like"

    Its a bit of a leap from removing junkies to removing the other segments of society you mentioned.


  • #20
    diomed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    It gets a bit tricky when you want to do things to other people. They might not like it.


  • #21
    Gremlinertia
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    This needs a poll.. And i need a think.

    A saying comes back to me - you need a licence for a dog but not children?.


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  • #22
    TommyKnocker
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    Temaz wrote: »
    After the junkies & criminals are all gone what will happen then?

    The sick? people who are gay? ones who have a different opinion than the people in charge?

    You'd genuinely wonder about people like the OP.

    These clowns (junkies) can hardly look after themselves, stumbling around the place whacked off their faces. Why should they be allowed bring kids into this world. Honestly can't see much difference between stopping them having kids or taking the kids off them. And if women with mental illness are now being put through forced cesarean sections and then having their child forceably taken from them, then....

    I would have far more sympathy for a person suffering from a mental illness than for somebody who chose to inject, sniff or swallow god knows what into their system.


  • #23
    Pepe LeFrits
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    I'm totally with you, Big Steve. Never liked smokers.


  • #24
    Rhys Essien
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    Is there anything actually being done to try and and sort out the heroin problem in Dublin and Cork?

    Are there any methadone places for them to go?.I think I read there are such places in Zurich.


  • #25
    catallus
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    Maybe a more moderate solution would be to simply remove the artificial financial incentives for having kids.

    One of the main reasons disadvantaged young women and couples decide to have a child is to get on the ladder/gravy train of massively expanded state-benefits, such as housing and childrens' allowance. It is obvious that these benefits are too much of a temptation for the disadvantaged to ignore, and given the lack of social mobility in this country it would seem to be the best choice for a young woman/couple if one wishes to live independently.

    To jump immediately to the idea of forced sterilisation is a bit mad.


  • #26
    IrishProd
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    strobe wrote: »
    I personally think that anyone that would genuinely be in favour of the forced sterilisation of human beings should be put up against a wall and shot.

    The Nazis were also found of that.


  • #27
    RustyNut
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    Rhys Essien wrote: »
    Is there anything actually being done to try and and sort out the heroin problem in Dublin and Cork?

    Yea the war on drugs, a rip roaring success.


  • #28
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    TommyKnocker wrote: »
    These clowns (junkies) can hardly look after themselves, stumbling around the place whacked off their faces. Why should they be allowed bring kids into this world. Honestly can't see much difference between stopping them having kids or taking the kids off them. And if women with mental illness are now being put through forced cesarean sections and then having their child forceably taken from them, then....

    I would have far more sympathy for a person suffering from a mental illness than for somebody who chose to inject, sniff or swallow god knows what into their system.

    Well, Tommy. These clowns are people and quite often suffering from mental illness and or abuse. Not all, of course but still. Makes you think, doesn't it? And what of alcoholics? Should they be sterilised, too?

    What effect do you think forcing someone who's already mentally ill to be sterilised would have on them?


  • #29
    KyussBishop
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    Why not get all of the people itching to dehumanize and mete out 'justice'/sterilization to random 'undesirable' people, to fight amongst themselves - to the death - to sterilize/rid their idiocy from the gene pool?

    The vigilantes get to mete out their 'justice' (doesn't matter that it will be misdirected - they don't mind the odd innocent death, since that's 'inevitable' anyway), and the people advocating sterilization, get to rid a group of undesirable people from society - everyone wins.
    Yes, I see the irony in dehumanizing them, and advocating they wipe themselves out - 'tis a joke.


  • #30
    The_Pretender
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    Pepe LeFrits wrote: »
    I'm totally with you, Big Steve. Never liked smokers.

    This makes no sense at all. Smoking cigarettes doesn't make someone a junkie, and it's not illegal. Going by your logic then you would agree with doing the same to people who consume coffee as caffeine is a drug.


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  • #31
    Yellow121
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    As the poster of the quote used in the opening post I think I should comment. The OP picked up on sterilising the junkies but on reflection I think we should include thieving bankers and corrupt politicions.
    We should sterilise them all instead of killing them.


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