Sterilising Junkies

Gannicus

I was just in the thread on Vigilatism and I was reading a post thats says:

Yellow121 wrote: »

We need a group similar to this but take it to the big stage. Take over the state. Undesirables such as thieving bankers will be executed, junkies sterilised and others shipped off to sea. A new Ireland, come on lets do this. Who's with me?

My question to everyone is related to the text I have made bold:

Should Junkies be sterilised?

I agree junkies should be sterilised. I have worked in the city centre consistantly over the last 6 years and it's a joke. Junkies are having junkie kids and they're all hanging around at Jervis Street/Luas Line & Lower Abbey St. Its a perpetual cycle.

I know it can be considered a Nazi-style control issue, telling people whether they can or can't have kids but I think it would be for the better of the country as there would be less of a strain on the Gardai and Medical Services as time goes by with less and less of them around meaning the funding can be used to improve other parts of the system.

I think it is actually worse for them to be allowed have kids that will grow up to be a junkie like mammy and/or daddy than it is to sterilize them.

I read this article a good while back and I must say I think its a great idea:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/8071664/Drug-addict-sterilised-for-cash-but-can-Barbara-Harris-save-our-babies.html

Is there many out there who agree with me?

josip

I seem to recall a similar thread on this a little while back...

Merkin

josip wrote: »

I seem to recall a similar thread on this a little while back...

What, on eugenics?

Banjo String

Big Steve wrote: »

I was just in the thread on Vigilatism and I was reading a post thats says:



My question to everyone is related to the text I have made bold:

Should Junkies be sterilised?

I agree should junkies be sterilised. I have worked in the city centre consistantly over the last 6 years and it's a joke. Junkies are having junkie kids and they're all hanging around at Jervis Street/Luas Line & Lower Abbey St. Its a perpetual cycle.

I know it can be considered a Nazi-style control issue, telling people whether they can or can't have kids but I think it would be for the better of the country as there would be less of a strain on the Gardai and Medical Services as time goes by with less and less of them around meaning the funding can be used to improve other parts of the system.

I think it is actually worse for them to be allowed have kids that will grow up to be a junkie like mammy and/or daddy than it is to sterilize them.

I read this article a good while back and I must say I think its a great idea:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/8071664/Drug-addict-sterilised-for-cash-but-can-Barbara-Harris-save-our-babies.html

Is there many out there who agree with me?

Rehabilitation would be a better option.

Matt_Trakker

It would solve nothing, people choose to take drugs it's not genetic.......ya big Nazi.

darkpagandeath

pfff op godwined opening post well done sir

RustyNut

What exactly do you suggest? A nice dettol bath or something?

josip

Merkin wrote: »

What, on eugenics?

This was the thread.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056965094

It was about skangers, not junkies. My mistake.

lukesmom

Awful idea. What gives anybody the right to dictate to anybody whether they can have kids or not? Yeah we would become a nazi nation. As another post said rehabilitation is a far better idea.

Duggy747

Give them syringes with Dettol in them?

SEPT 23 1989

I would take the kids off them,you cant be a parent if you can barely look after yourself

srsly78

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I would take the kids off them,you cant be a parent if you can barely look after yourself

This is already supposed to happen surely? If the child is at risk they get taken away right?

strobe

I personally think that anyone that would genuinely be in favour of the forced sterilisation of human beings should be put up against a wall and shot.

josip

strobe wrote: »

I personally think that anyone that would genuinely be in favour of the forced sterilisation of human beings should be but up against a wall and shot.

in the nads

RustyNut

srsly78 wrote: »

This is already supposed to happen surely? If the child is at risk they get taken away right?

Only if they have different hair color than their parents.

TommyKnocker

srsly78 wrote: »

This is already supposed to happen surely? If the child is at risk they get taken away right?

It seems this only happens if the child has blonde hair, pale skin and lives with a Roma family. Apparently junkies can go stumbling around Dublin city center whacked off their faces on whatever, pushing babies in buggies and not a thing is said or done. Best interests of the child my a$$.

Temaz

After the junkies & criminals are all gone what will happen then?

The sick? people who are gay? ones who have a different opinion than the people in charge?

You'd genuinely wonder about people like the OP.

DeadHand

Who decides which are fit/unfit to have children?

What could possibly qualify someone to sit in judgement over another human being and decide they cannot reproduce?

Just because your parents are junkies does not mean you have no right to exist and that you do not have the potential to be an excellent human being. It'll be 1000 times more difficult, sure, but never impossible.

And bear in mind that many in the middle classes are also drugged up to their eyeballs the only difference being the drugs they use are on prescription, legal and socially acceptable. Should we sterilize some of them too? Who next? Alcoholics? Prostitutes? Those with mental difficulties? Those with unacceptable political views? Those with a familial history of genetic defects? It starts with junkies, who does it end with? Polices like this beget more of the same, the slippery slope.

The thing about fascism (and this proposal is fascism) is that it's simple, it's seductive, it's populist, it appeals to our angers, fears and all that is ugly within us. When the weakest are trampled underfoot it moves on to the next target. And on. And on.
And eventually it will come for you and yours.

GreeBo

Temaz wrote: »

After the junkies & criminals are all gone what will happen then?

The sick? people who are gay? ones who have a different opinion than the people in charge?

You'd genuinely wonder about people like the OP.

Thats the equivalent of saying
"locking up criminals? whats next, locking up people I dont like"

Its a bit of a leap from removing junkies to removing the other segments of society you mentioned.

diomed

It gets a bit tricky when you want to do things to other people. They might not like it.

Gremlinertia

This needs a poll.. And i need a think.

A saying comes back to me - you need a licence for a dog but not children?.

TommyKnocker

Temaz wrote: »

After the junkies & criminals are all gone what will happen then?

The sick? people who are gay? ones who have a different opinion than the people in charge?

You'd genuinely wonder about people like the OP.

These clowns (junkies) can hardly look after themselves, stumbling around the place whacked off their faces. Why should they be allowed bring kids into this world. Honestly can't see much difference between stopping them having kids or taking the kids off them. And if women with mental illness are now being put through forced cesarean sections and then having their child forceably taken from them, then....

I would have far more sympathy for a person suffering from a mental illness than for somebody who chose to inject, sniff or swallow god knows what into their system.

Pepe LeFrits

I'm totally with you, Big Steve. Never liked smokers.

Rhys Essien

Is there anything actually being done to try and and sort out the heroin problem in Dublin and Cork?

Are there any methadone places for them to go?.I think I read there are such places in Zurich.

catallus

Maybe a more moderate solution would be to simply remove the artificial financial incentives for having kids.

One of the main reasons disadvantaged young women and couples decide to have a child is to get on the ladder/gravy train of massively expanded state-benefits, such as housing and childrens' allowance. It is obvious that these benefits are too much of a temptation for the disadvantaged to ignore, and given the lack of social mobility in this country it would seem to be the best choice for a young woman/couple if one wishes to live independently.

To jump immediately to the idea of forced sterilisation is a bit mad.

IrishProd

strobe wrote: »

I personally think that anyone that would genuinely be in favour of the forced sterilisation of human beings should be put up against a wall and shot.

The Nazis were also found of that.

RustyNut

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Is there anything actually being done to try and and sort out the heroin problem in Dublin and Cork?

Yea the war on drugs, a rip roaring success.

old hippy

TommyKnocker wrote: »

These clowns (junkies) can hardly look after themselves, stumbling around the place whacked off their faces. Why should they be allowed bring kids into this world. Honestly can't see much difference between stopping them having kids or taking the kids off them. And if women with mental illness are now being put through forced cesarean sections and then having their child forceably taken from them, then....

I would have far more sympathy for a person suffering from a mental illness than for somebody who chose to inject, sniff or swallow god knows what into their system.

Well, Tommy. These clowns are people and quite often suffering from mental illness and or abuse. Not all, of course but still. Makes you think, doesn't it? And what of alcoholics? Should they be sterilised, too?

What effect do you think forcing someone who's already mentally ill to be sterilised would have on them?

KyussBishop

Why not get all of the people itching to dehumanize and mete out 'justice'/sterilization to random 'undesirable' people, to fight amongst themselves - to the death - to sterilize/rid their idiocy from the gene pool?

The vigilantes get to mete out their 'justice' (doesn't matter that it will be misdirected - they don't mind the odd innocent death, since that's 'inevitable' anyway), and the people advocating sterilization, get to rid a group of undesirable people from society - everyone wins.
Yes, I see the irony in dehumanizing them, and advocating they wipe themselves out - 'tis a joke.

The_Pretender

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

I'm totally with you, Big Steve. Never liked smokers.

This makes no sense at all. Smoking cigarettes doesn't make someone a junkie, and it's not illegal. Going by your logic then you would agree with doing the same to people who consume coffee as caffeine is a drug.

Yellow121

As the poster of the quote used in the opening post I think I should comment. The OP picked up on sterilising the junkies but on reflection I think we should include thieving bankers and corrupt politicions.
We should sterilise them all instead of killing them.

old hippy

Yellow121 wrote: »

As the poster of the quote used in the opening post I think I should comment. The OP picked up on sterilising the junkies but on reflection I think we should include thieving bankers and corrupt politicions.
We should sterilise them all instead of killing them.

Again with this "we" business. It just won't do.

The_Pretender

Yellow121 wrote: »

As the poster of the quote used in the opening post I think I should comment. The OP picked up on sterilising the junkies but on reflection I think we should include thieving bankers and corrupt politicions.
We should sterilise them all instead of killing them.

To be honest though, most of the thieving bankers and corrupt politicians are oul lads who've either had kids and grandkids or won't be planning on it.

Gannicus

srsly78 wrote: »

This is already supposed to happen surely? If the child is at risk they get taken away right?

Well not from what I can see in the City Centre. They hang around just off Lower Abbey Street with the kids hanging off their arms or robbing stuff from shops. I've seen it first hand and its not the kids fault they learn to be scumbags from their parents

strobe wrote: »

I personally think that anyone that would genuinely be in favour of the forced sterilisation of human beings should be put up against a wall and shot.

Bit of an oximoronical statement to make in fairness.

Yellow121

old hippy wrote: »

Again with this "we" business. It just won't do.

You don't like it because you know hippies would get the treatment.

josip

The_Pretender wrote: »

To be honest though, most of the thieving bankers and corrupt politicians are oul lads who've either had kids and grandkids or won't be planning on it.

Mara

Yellow121

The_Pretender wrote: »

To be honest though, most of the thieving bankers and corrupt politicians are oul lads who've either had kids and grandkids or won't be planning on it.

Kill their kids, the only option. If we don't then they will be too old to sterilise when they've robbed us.

Chips Lovell

Free sterilisation? I'm all for it. I'm spending a fortune on johnnies.

old hippy

Yellow121 wrote: »

You don't like it because you know hippies would get the treatment.

Is that so? Actually, I don't like it because it's fascist, goes against basic human rights and is the sort of rabble rousing mindless proposal that the lunatic far right fringe and their cohorts gleefully applaud.

Pepe LeFrits

The_Pretender wrote: »

This makes no sense at all. Smoking cigarettes doesn't make someone a junkie, and it's not illegal. Going by your logic then you would agree with doing the same to people who consume coffee as caffeine is a drug.

heh

Yellow121

old hippy wrote: »

Is that so? Actually, I don't like it because it's fascist, goes against basic human rights and is the sort of rabble rousing mindless proposal that the lunatic far right fringe and their cohorts gleefully applaud.

Look the hippies ideology was destroyed years ago, it's time to let it go. It's time we made the World a better place, if it involves a small level of cruelty then so be it.

Kid Charlemagne

catallus wrote: »

Maybe a more moderate solution would be to simply remove the artificial financial incentives for having kids.

One of the main reasons disadvantaged young women and couples decide to have a child is to get on the ladder/gravy train of massively expanded state-benefits, such as housing and childrens' allowance. It is obvious that these benefits are too much of a temptation for the disadvantaged to ignore, and given the lack of social mobility in this country it would seem to be the best choice for a young woman/couple if one wishes to live independently.

To jump immediately to the idea of forced sterilisation is a bit mad.

Yes, lets let those unfortunate children of drug-addicts sleep rough and starve to death in the streets!
Happy Christmas to you too Sir!:rolleyes:

catallus

Kid Charlemagne wrote: »

Yes, lets let those unfortunate children of drug-addicts sleep rough and starve to death in the streets!
Happy Christmas to you too Sir!:rolleyes:

How did you get that from what I said????

old hippy

Yellow121 wrote: »

Look the hippies ideology was destroyed years ago, it's time to let it go. It's time we made the World a better place, if it involves a small level of cruelty then so be it.

The hippies ideology may be old hat but so is the idea of eugenics and best left to dictators and other ne'er do wells.

Arrow.

DeadHand wrote: »

Just because your parents are junkies does not mean you have no right to exist and that you do not have the potential to be an excellent human being.

Not that I believe sterilizing junkies is an answer to any kind of problem, but this 'potential excellent human being' - there's no human being to even speak of so this is completely irrelevant.

It's playing on emotions.

Also, what about a person's right not to have to pay taxes towards welfare for rubbish junkie parents, or what it's going to cost to ween their babies off heroin?

It takes months to ween a baby off heroin that's been born to a junkie mother. Is this fair on the baby?

I don't know. There are good arguments to both sides.

People always mention the Nazi's etc, - they harmed innocent people. Junkies, thieves etc are not innocent. Drugs are illegal. People seem to have forgotten that.

biko

Project Prevention is already in US and UK and might set up shop here too.

Barbara Harris founded the organization after she and her husband adopted one-by-one as each was born the latter four of eight children from a drug-addicted mother.
Each of the four adopted children is separated in age by only one year.

Essentially it offers a cash sum to junkie women that agree to sterilisation (voluntarily).

Yellow121

old hippy wrote: »

The hippies ideology may be old hat but so is the idea of eugenics and best left to dictators and other ne'er do wells.

Maybe they had the right idea but were slightly misguided.

old hippy

catallus wrote: »

Maybe a more moderate solution would be to simply remove the artificial financial incentives for having kids.

One of the main reasons disadvantaged young women and couples decide to have a child is to get on the ladder/gravy train of massively expanded state-benefits, such as housing and childrens' allowance. It is obvious that these benefits are too much of a temptation for the disadvantaged to ignore, and given the lack of social mobility in this country it would seem to be the best choice for a young woman/couple if one wishes to live independently.

To jump immediately to the idea of forced sterilisation is a bit mad.

catallus wrote: »

How did you get that from what I said????

See bolded bits.

old hippy

Yellow121 wrote: »

Maybe they had the right idea but were slightly misguided.

Yes, those poor misguided dictators and apologists for eugenics. I weep for them, truly.

the_syco

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I would take the kids off them,you cant be a parent if you can barely look after yourself

After how many kids should they be sterilised? Esp if they just keep pumping them out.

strobe wrote: »

I personally think that anyone that would genuinely be in favour of the forced sterilisation of human beings should be put up against a wall and shot.

Kettle, meet pot.

DeadHand wrote: »

Who decides which are fit/unfit to have children?

Single woman with more than 8 kids with no means to support them, with no means to support them since the 1st kid, with no means to support any of the kids without state support, but still keeps having kids?

Or, maybe instead of sterilisation, you stop paying young girls to become mammies?

Yellow121

old hippy wrote: »

Yes, those poor misguided dictators and apologists for eugenics. I weep for them, truly.

Right idea, wrong targets.