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Vigilantism

  • 13-12-2013 01:45PM
    #1
    Arrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 153 ✭✭


    So I was reading this thread in the Dublin forum:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057100600

    Seems a lot of people feel feel hopeless for the city and what it's become. The Gardai don't seem to be doing anything about it.

    Say a group of people (vigilante group essentially) got together to secretly patrol Dublin to deal with junkies and scumbags - not violently I might add, but rather 'usher' them on an warn them the first couple of times and let them know what will happen if they don't adhere. I know how all this sounds!

    Would you feel safer in Dublin?

    Do you think there's ever a good reason for this kind of behaviour from such groups? Think neighbour watch with possible force I guess.

    While it seems to be they're allowed act how they want in the city without recourse, until the law is forced to act, what's the solution? Is vigilantism ever a solution?

    Not sure how I feel about it to be honest. It's a dangerous road to go down. However, if it was me who'd been mugged/beaten etc, I'd want revenge...in spades.

    What does boards think?


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Comments

  • #2
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Torn between the "It'd end up being abused" (which it would) reasoning and the "It's great when some intimidating sh1tbag subjecting others to misery and terror with impunity finally gets their comeuppance" reasoning.


  • #3
    Arrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 153 ✭✭Arrow.


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    Torn between the "It'd end up being abused" (which it would) reasoning and the "It's great when some intimidating sh1tbag subjecting others to misery and terror with impunity finally gets their comeuppance" reasoning.

    That's how I feel. Bit of a double edged sword.

    I suppose if such a group were to exist then they'd have to adhere to a code and would need to take action against people abusing it.

    Also, they'd have to act very stealthy-like. Maybe if you just knew 'someone' was out there....watching...a dark knight! :p


  • #4
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Bus the lowlifes down to Templemore for a bit of baton training with the rookie guards


  • #5
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Ah i remember the good old days of standing around a barrell fire keeping junkies out of the neighborhood. It doesn't really work


  • #6
    Stone Deaf 4evr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,000 ✭✭✭Stone Deaf 4evr


    As a wise billionaire once said

    "It's not who we are underneath, but what we do that defines us"*



    *may have psychological scarring as a result of seeing his parents murdered in front of him.


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  • #7
    moxin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭moxin


    We need The_Citizen to lead us! :)


  • #8
    Muise...
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭Muise...


    bit monkey wrote: »

    Say a group of people (vigilante group essentially) got together to secretly patrol Dublin to deal with junkies and scumbags - not violently I might add, but rather 'usher' them on an warn them the first couple of times and let them know what will happen if they don't adhere. I know how all this sounds!

    Where would your ninja vigilantes usher them? Would it not turn into a giant game of Junkie-Pong?


  • #9
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    This is the way that sort of thing evolved in the 80's.



  • #10
    Arrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 153 ✭✭Arrow.


    Muise... wrote: »
    Where would your ninja vigilantes usher them? Would it not turn into a giant game of Junkie-Pong?

    Further out of the city, the docks, I dunno.

    Look, I clearly haven't thought this through so I'll just say it's more a thread on vigilantism than the finer details of where to push junkies to. :)


  • #11
    Yellow121
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 737 ✭✭✭Yellow121


    We need a group similar to this but take it to the big stage. Take over the state. Undesirables such as thieving bankers will be executed, junkies sterilised and others shipped off to sea.
    A new Ireland, come on lets do this. Who's with me?


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  • #12
    Arrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 153 ✭✭Arrow.


    Yellow121 wrote: »
    We need a group similar to this but take it to the big stage. Take over the state. Undesirables such as thieving bankers will be executed, junkies sterilised and others shipped off to sea.
    A new Ireland, come on lets do this. Who's with me?

    OK...but you go first.


  • #13
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Whatever about having a show of force such as that, which may put prospective criminals off acting.. I don't think 'ushering' junkies from one area to another is really going to solve anything. They're still gonna be junkies and they're still going to need to feed their habits... it'd just end up being done in a far less visible way, which could be even worse for the people they end up victimising.

    There's a group of people in the village where I live who take turns doing patrols of the area. They're not vigilantes per se, all they do is keep an eye out for any suspicious behaviour and call Gardai if they spot anything. They also monitor car parks during mass etc after a spate of car break-ins. Seems to be doing the job in all fairness.


  • #14
    Yellow121
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 737 ✭✭✭Yellow121


    bit monkey wrote: »
    OK...but you go first.

    Ok, I'm going to break into the Dáil tomorrow morning, 11am sharp. You don't need to worry about how I get in but be there on time and charge in. We'll occupy the place and I'll have weapons and stuff. When the government come back for work they wont know what's going on hehehehe.
    Then we'll make our demands, if they're not met we will anounce all out war. Make sure you're there at 11am sharp alright everyone?
    Oh I'll bring some food as well, some sandwiches and maybe a few cans of Guinness, so we'll have some craic as well. I'm a great leader.


  • #15
    RustyNut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,427 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    Yellow121 wrote: »
    We need a group similar to this but take it to the big stage. Take over the state. Undesirables such as thieving bankers will be executed, junkies sterilised and others shipped off to sea.
    A new Ireland, come on lets do this. Who's with me?

    First they came for the bankers, then they came for the yellow people.


  • #16
    super_furry
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    bit monkey wrote: »

    Seems a lot of people feel feel hopeless for the city and what it's become.

    Seems a lot of people are over-reacting bed wetters who'd run a mile if anyone wearing a pair of trainers so much as looks at them. Compared to most other major cities throughout the world, Dublin is grand.


  • #17
    MonstaMash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭MonstaMash


    Vigilantism without violence, or the implied threat of willingness to commit violence, would be as useful as a pacifist in a fire-fight IMHO


  • #18
    Arrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 153 ✭✭Arrow.


    super_furry wrote: »
    Seems a lot of people are over-reacting bed wetters who'd run a mile if anyone wearing a pair of trainers so much as looks at them. Compared to most other major cities throughout the world, Dublin is grand.

    Yeah I don't think it's as bad at all as some people say.


  • #19
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    Bus the lowlifes down to Templemore


    During the boom times when AGS found it hard to recruit well educated and motivated members of the public to its ranks it took the dregs & lowlifes ~ which is one of the reasons we regularly read of members of AGS before the courts, so you see the low lifes did go to Templemore.

    Plus there's not the political will to tackle the problem of open drug dealing on the capitols streets, there's no enough money to send the more serious cases to anywhere about district court level ~ so these guys and girls can have from dozens into the hundreds of convictions recorded against them and not give a toss.

    The capitol is in ruins with junkie thieving scum & no one gives a tupennys f*ck about doing anything about it.

    Personally I'd turn a blind eye to the proper group smashing a few heads for the greater good.


  • #20
    bumper234
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    Eugene Fit Blonde wrote: »
    During the boom times when AGS found it hard to recruit well educated and motivated members of the public to its ranks it took the dregs & lowlifes ~ which is one of the reasons we regularly read of members of AGS before the courts, so you see the low lifes did go to Templemore.

    Plus there's not the political will to tackle the problem of open drug dealing on the capitols streets, there's no enough money to send the more serious cases to anywhere about district court level ~ so these guys and girls can have from dozens into the hundreds of convictions recorded against them and not give a toss.

    The capitol is in ruins with junkie thieving scum & no one gives a tupennys f*ck about doing anything about it.

    Personally I'd turn a blind eye to the proper group smashing a few heads for the greater good.

    And the moment someone dies?


  • #21
    MonstaMash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭MonstaMash


    bumper234 wrote: »
    And the moment someone dies?
    One less statistic to deal with :eek:


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  • #22
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    bit monkey wrote: »
    Further out of the city, the docks, I dunno.

    About 50 yards beyond the docks would do nicely. :-)


  • #23
    gramar
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    bit monkey wrote: »
    That's how I feel. Bit of a double edged sword.

    If you want people to take vigilantes seriously then that's exactly what you need.


  • #24
    Splat Strawberry Jam
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 68 ✭✭Splat Strawberry Jam


    bumper234 wrote: »
    And the moment someone dies?

    If you're going to make an omlette you have to break some eggs.


  • #25
    JimsAlterEgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭JimsAlterEgo


    do what thailand allegedly did a few years back, a supposed "vigilante" group (rumour has it was govt sanctioned) wiped out all drug lords and addicts. Very quickly everyone was afriad to have anything to do with drugs.


  • #26
    P.Walnuts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,711 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    JimsAlterEgo wrote: »
    do what thailand allegedly did a few years back, a supposed "vigilante" group (rumour has it was govt sanctioned) wiped out all drug lords and addicts. Very quickly everyone was afriad to have anything to do with drugs.

    Ah yes wonderful Thailand, where you are 4 times more likely to be murdered than in Ireland.


  • #27
    Arrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 153 ✭✭Arrow.


    JimsAlterEgo wrote: »
    do what thailand allegedly did a few years back, a supposed "vigilante" group (rumour has it was govt sanctioned) wiped out all drug lords and addicts. Very quickly everyone was afriad to have anything to do with drugs.

    Exactly.

    These so called 'drug lords' are just people. These guys are built up in the press as some kind of 'untouchables'. People are easily dealt with if the will is there.


  • #28
    Hitchens
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    It's alright until somebody loses an eye :rolleyes:


  • #29
    Smyth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 714 ✭✭✭Smyth


    bit monkey wrote: »
    Exactly.

    These so called 'drug lords' are just people too. People can be easily dealt with if the the will is there.

    But then where will we get our precious drugs?


  • #30
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    Splat Strawberry Jam wrote: »
    If you're going to make an omlette you have to break some eggs.

    Cool, and what happens when someone (not a junkie) gets set upon by a group because they "look" like they are going to commit a crime? What happens when mob mentality takes over and what starts out as a few slaps turns into the dead body of some innocent person?


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  • #31
    Hedgemeister
    Closed Accounts Posts: 245 ✭✭Hedgemeister


    Where's Charles Bronson when he's needed ?


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