Gerry Adams : Terrorist or Freedom Fighter?

WilyCoyote · 12-12-2013 02:25PM

Why is it OK for the Brits to deny covert operations, Colonel Fred?

Fratton Fred · 12-12-2013 02:32PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Why is it OK for the Brits to deny covert operations, Colonel Fred?

Who said it was, comrade coyote?

seanie27 · 12-12-2013 02:35PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

You must have missed the bit where he spent 27 years in prison.

He was hardly twiddling his thumbs there? Did he not sign off on violent actions perpetrated by the ANC that resulted in deaths?
During that time Mandela refused to renounce violence. Interestingly, Amnesty refused to take his case stating “[the] movement recorded that it could not give the name of ‘Prisoner of Conscience’ to anyone associated with violence, even though as in ‘conventional warfare’ a degree of restraint may be exercised.”
I think himself and Mr Adams are more similar than people think.
AS John Huston’s character Noah Cross said in Chinatown “Even whores get respectable with age”

Fratton Fred · 12-12-2013 02:53PM

seanie27 wrote: »

He was hardly twiddling his thumbs there? Did he not sign off on violent actions perpetrated by the ANC that resulted in deaths?
During that time Mandela refused to renounce violence. Interestingly, Amnesty refused to take his case stating “[the] movement recorded that it could not give the name of ‘Prisoner of Conscience’ to anyone associated with violence, even though as in ‘conventional warfare’ a degree of restraint may be exercised.”
I think himself and Mr Adams are more similar than people think.
AS John Huston’s character Noah Cross said in Chinatown “Even whores get respectable with age”

Are you serious? Do you think Mandela could interact with the ANC from his prison cell?

Anyway, I though Adams was never in the IRA, are you implying he signed off on certain actions?

Karl Stein · 12-12-2013 02:59PM

Frank Black wrote: »

Most cowardly bunch of 'fighters' the world has ever seen.

So a bunch of cowards couldn't be put down by the mighty British Army and its proxies? How embarrassing for them.

A senior military officer said: ''They are murdering bastards, but they are not cowards. This team actually pressed home a ground attack right into the heart of the compound. That takes guts when there are people firing back.''

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/aberdeen/calculating-professional-enemy-that-faces-kosb-1.598672

An internal British army document examining 37 years of deployment in Northern Ireland contains the claim by one expert that it failed to defeat the IRA.

It describes the IRA as "a professional, dedicated, highly skilled and resilient force", while loyalist paramilitaries and other republican groups are described as "little more than a collection of gangsters".

news.bbc.co.uk

LordSutch · 12-12-2013 03:04PM

Courtesy Flush wrote: »

It was a Fascist state. No one was there to protect them so the IRA filled the gap. I think the IRA volunteers who took up arms achieved enormous success, but not complete success as Britain is still in Ireland. The only thing I dont like about Gerry Adams is his denial that he was an IRA volunteer

Well they certainly had success with semtex bombs, fertiliser bombs, the armalite, the M16, home made rocket launchers, sniping rifles, pistols & lump hammers (for knee cappings) + assorted weaponry to reek havoc on the security forces, the Unionist population, and in many cases their their own people, (who may have stepped out of line). So yes, I guess from their point of view they did have enormous success, if not complete success. Adams of course never condemned any of the above while the mayhem was going on, and this has stuck in the memories of many people, who will never forgive him, or his movement.

Dyr · 12-12-2013 03:29PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Are you serious? Do you think Mandela could interact with the ANC from his prison cell?

Have you read his autobiography?

jantheman91 · 12-12-2013 06:18PM

Bambi wrote: »

Have you read his autobiography?

I think you missed it last night when one of the two apologists (not sure which one as they are the same to me) announced that he "doesn't need evidence".

Reading a book would go against this highly sophisticated way of debating and render the ability to assume null and void.

I'm just waiting for him to post a picture of himself posing as a clown. At least that way it'll all make perfect sense.

Fratton Fred · 12-12-2013 08:17PM

Bambi wrote: »

Have you read his autobiography?

Nope, does he say he did then? I was under the impression he was in solitary for a large chunk of his sentence.

Fratton Fred · 12-12-2013 08:19PM

jantheman91 wrote: »

I think you missed it last night when one of the two apologists (not sure which one as they are the same to me) announced that he "doesn't need evidence".

Reading a book would go against this highly sophisticated way of debating and render the ability to assume null and void.

I'm just waiting for him to post a picture of himself posing as a clown. At least that way it'll all make perfect sense.

Please be quiet, the adults are talking.

jantheman91 · 12-12-2013 08:20PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Please be quiet, the adults are talking.

Trying to oppress my views like your Forefathers?

The irony.

Fratton Fred · 12-12-2013 08:22PM

jantheman91 wrote: »

Trying to oppress my views like your Forefathers?

The irony.

No, trying to stop you making a fool of yourself.

jantheman91 · 12-12-2013 08:22PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

No, trying to stop you making a fool of yourself.

You'd know all about that.

Your posts last night made sure of it.

LordSutch · 12-12-2013 08:43PM

jantheman91 wrote: »

You'd know all about that.

Your posts last night made sure of it.

Several posts of your own were out of order last night, #166 comes to mind.

jantheman91 · 12-12-2013 08:45PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Several posts of your own were out of order last night, #166 comes to mind.

I'll be sure to check my warnings.

newbie2013 · 12-12-2013 09:32PM

It shocks me the mentality of the irish people across the border. Anywhere else in the world, people like gerry adams are seen as heros but seeing as were so close to britian, our politicians suck up to these fcukers and try and bring the fella down. IMO, he is a legend for what he's done for the irish people and sickens me at how hes treated in the 26 counties.

Fred Swanson · 12-12-2013 10:05PM

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Fratton Fred · 12-12-2013 10:05PM

newbie2013 wrote: »

It shocks me the mentality of the irish people across the border. Anywhere else in the world, people like gerry adams are seen as heros but seeing as were so close to britian, our politicians suck up to these fcukers and try and bring the fella down. IMO, he is a legend for what he's done for the irish people and sickens me at how hes treated in the 26 counties.

What has he done for the Irish people that we people in the republic should be so grateful for?

dxhound2005 · 12-12-2013 10:09PM

newbie2013 wrote: »

It shocks me the mentality of the irish people across the border. Anywhere else in the world, people like gerry adams are seen as heros but seeing as were so close to britian, our politicians suck up to these fcukers and try and bring the fella down. IMO, he is a legend for what he's done for the irish people and sickens me at how hes treated in the 26 counties.

Who are these people like Gerry Adams? Just half a dozen names will do to get the drift of your thinking. If they are democratic politicians they are unlikely to be seen as heroes.

newbie2013 · 12-12-2013 10:16PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

What has he done for the Irish people that we people in the republic should be so grateful for?

Well for one, he was a major driving force to bringing peace to this island. You have to remember what the 6 counties was liek back then.

dxhound2005 · 12-12-2013 10:26PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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He doesn't own any property in Louth or if he does he has not declared it. His house is in Donegal.

http://www.kildarestreet.com/regmem/?d=2013-02-28#342

He would be living on the average industrial wage. I'm not sure what that is these days but I doubt it would allow him to own two houses.

end of the road · 12-12-2013 10:29PM

Frank Black wrote: »

Most cowardly bunch of 'fighters' the world has ever seen.

oh? are we talking about the same IRA here? the one who fought one of the worlds most powerful armies and got a stalemate? the same IRA who said army failed to defeat? wrong again frank as per

harryr711 · 12-12-2013 10:31PM

newbie2013 wrote: »

It shocks me the mentality of the irish people across the border. Anywhere else in the world, people like gerry adams are seen as heros but seeing as were so close to britian, our politicians suck up to these fcukers and try and bring the fella down. IMO, he is a legend for what he's done for the irish people and sickens me at how hes treated in the 26 counties.

Amazing really, we read reports in the papers today of John Major, a British Conservative politician, acknowledging that republican leaders like Adams risked their lives to bring peace to Ireland, while two days before we can read about Enda Kenny avoiding questions about the top-ups during "leader's" questions and asking was Adams in the IRA...

dxhound2005 · 12-12-2013 10:45PM

harryr711 wrote: »

Amazing really, we read reports in the papers today of John Major, a British Conservative politician, acknowledging that republican leaders like Adams risked their lives to bring peace to Ireland, while two days before we can read about Enda Kenny avoiding questions about the top-ups during "leader's" questions and asking was Adams in the IRA...

You do realise that Major was saying that Adams and McGuinness were putting themselves at risk of being killed by some Republican faction? Maybe even some Provos. Either or both of them could have finished up dead, dumped along a border road as was the way of things.

My name is URL · 12-12-2013 10:48PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

He would be living on the average industrial wage. I'm not sure what that is these days but I doubt it would allow him to own two houses.

What makes you say that?

You do realise that he's also a very successful author who has sold hundreds of thousands of copies of the 20+ books he has written?

Such a bitter and parochial mindset you have. Just because he accepts an AIW for the work he does as TD, you ignorantly assume that he couldn't possibly have any other legitimate source of income... :rolleyes:

dxhound2005 · 12-12-2013 10:55PM

My name is URL wrote: »

What makes you say that?

You do realise that he's also a very successful author who has sold hundreds of thousands of copies of the 20+ books he has written?

Such a bitter and parochial mindset you have. Just because he accepts an AIW for the work he does as TD, you ignorantly assume that he couldn't possibly have any other legitimate source of income... :rolleyes:

Maybe he's not doing as well as you think from his literary efforts. This was in the papers earlier this year.

Gerry Adams, the Sinn Fein leader, has remortgaged his holiday home in Donegal. Adams, who revealed last weekend that he was "in negotiations with the bank" over the house remortgaged it with Bank of Ireland on November 30, 2012. Adams and his wife Colette bought a plot outside Gortahork in 2000 with a mortgage of IR£50,000. They first installed a mobile home before constructing a traditional cut-stone cottage. The TD for Louth revealed last week the couple "was in deep trouble" over the property. "One of my ambitions is to keep that house at all costs, not for me but because my family use it. It's a great bolt hole" he told RTE Radio.

My name is URL · 12-12-2013 11:02PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Maybe he's not doing as well as you think from his literary efforts. This was in the papers earlier this year.

I'd like to know more about your spurious claim that he is 'living on the average industrial wage'..

It sounded like a statement of fact so if you could back it up that'd be great.

dxhound2005 · 12-12-2013 11:09PM

My name is URL wrote: »

I'd like to know more about your spurious claim that he is 'living on the average industrial wage'..

It sounded like a statement of fact so if you could back it up that'd be great.

Tell me about his earnings from outside politics. It obviously was not enough to pay for his private medical treatment in America not too long back. Friends of his paid for that, although he did pay the plane fares himself. I thought those sorts of digouts would have to be declared under the Standards in Public Office regulations but I see no evidence that they were.

http://www.sipo.gov.ie/en/

Nodin · 12-12-2013 11:17PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Tell me about his earnings from outside politics. It obviously was not enough to pay for his private medical treatment in America not too long back. Friends of his paid for that, although he did pay the plane fares himself. I thought those sorts of digouts would have to be declared under the Standards in Public Office regulations but I see no evidence that they were.

http://www.sipo.gov.ie/en/

Wow. You must be the first person ever to go through his finances and affairs to see if he could be caught out. I'd say you should report this seeming malfeasance to the authorities.

Fighting Irish · 12-12-2013 11:18PM

A man making a living

Gerry Adams : Terrorist or Freedom Fighter?

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