Irish justice system fails again

Seaneh wrote: »

Because if I had the choice of being tried in Ireland, pleading guilty and doing a few years in jails vs being tried in the US and being found guilty and spending the rest of my life in a federal prison, I'd plead guilty too.

IF tried here he could appeal in future, if tried in the US, he is ****ed.

That's nonsensical. You said he was innocent. If he is innocent then why plead guilty in Ireland? If he is found guilty he gets 14 years max. If innocent he is free and thats that.

Seaneh wrote: »

BECAUSE ITS BETTER TO DO THE TIME HERE THAN IN THE US.

He was probably advised by his solicitors that is he isn't tried in Ireland he WILL be extradited and once he's extradited, he's ****ed.

The US Justice system is a farce, it's one of the most ridiculous systems on the planet. There is a reason that America has less that 5% of the population of the planet but still houses 25% of the earth's prison population. More than China, Russia and India combined. In the US it's not about who's guilty or innocent, it's all just pantomime.

No disagreement on the US system

But you are surmising a lot here.

a) He is innocent
b) But the Irish court would have found him guilty
c) His legal team advised him to plead guilty in Ireland

Was this lad even in the US?

'Bit harsh' or....:eek:

http://www.thanhniennews.com/index/pages/20131220-corruption-means-death-sometimes.aspx

In Vietnam corruption means death, sometimes...

On November 15, a Ho Chi Minh City court sentenced a former banker and his business associate to death for siphoning off millions of dollars in a major loan scam that caused the Vietnam Bank for Agriculture and Rural Development VND531 billion (US$25.1 million) in losses.

On December 16, a Hanoi court handed down death sentences to two former bosses of the state-run Vietnam National Shipping Lines (Vinalines) for embezzling $476,000 each in a high-profile corruption scam that rocked the country.

Given that Vietnam’s top echelons have repeatedly tried to assuage people’s fears of rampant graft, the sentences apparently exhibit the political will to repair shattered public confidence. Three death sentences given to former state bigwigs in a matter of one month is indeed rare in a country where a number of current anti-corruption measures have been dismissed as window dressings..........

MadsL wrote: »

They aren't beyond requesting extradition, beyond that police forces co-operate all over the world.

If he did the crime here, they shouldn't even be doing that and stay out of the Irish justice systems business.

Dave! wrote: »

Do we know what other kind of websites he hosts? It seems to me that Tor is used for very little other than child porn, weapons and drug sales, and sundry other illegal stuff.

I'd also find it a bit implausible that he wouldn't be aware of what he's hosting. However even if he wasn't aware—and his whole model requires his not knowing what he's hosting—he is still responsible.

If you leave a suitcase open and unmonitored, and tell people that they can put what they want in it, and some unscrupulous person puts drugs in it, you will be prosecuted for drug trafficking. It's not even that you were trying to protect your suitcase and someone snuck the drugs in—he's intentionally closing his eyes and letting people host what they want.

I gather some security-conscious people use Tor to avoid monitoring/identification by government agencies for legitimate reasons, and his motivation may have been to facilitate this for all I know, but that doesn't mean you get off the hook for the bad stuff.

If you invite someone into your house, and they take pornographic photos of your children, you should go to prison for provifing a closed environment for that someone, and thus facilitating and producing child pornography..

Dave! wrote: »

Do we know what other kind of websites he hosts? It seems to me that Tor is used for very little other than child porn, weapons and drug sales, and sundry other illegal stuff.

It's also used in oppressive countries with strict Internet policies, I'd count that as a fairly useful trait.

dark crystal wrote: »

What message does this send out? The world's largest facilitator of child porn was ready and willing to play ball, but sure, there's no need to go any further than that, let's just leave him be.

Try reading about the case of the darknet.

My name is URL wrote: »

Rapidshare etc will remove illegal stuff once it's brought to their attention. This guys inaction in that regard is what has landed him in trouble.

They only started to remove stuff after they were brought to court over it.

D1stant wrote: »

If he is innocent why did he indicate he would plead guilty to child pornography advertising & distribution? Why would he not fight the case in Ireland?

He probably fears the death penalty in the USA. Easier to fight the case whilst in prison here, than on death row there.

D1stant wrote: »

I just don't find it credible that he didn't know there were 100 child-porn sites on his servers

Because he said he wouldn't look at what was hosted?

Dave! wrote: »

Do we know what other kind of websites he hosts? It seems to me that Tor is used for very little other than child porn, weapons and drug sales, and sundry other illegal stuff.

If your government (eg; China) doesn't want you accessing any info (eg; democracy), then they'll want to stop you from accessing the internet. Stopping access to the darknet is not so easy.

Dave! wrote: »

It's not even that you were trying to protect your suitcase and someone snuck the drugs in—he's intentionally closing his eyes and letting people host what they want.

When someone is afraid that their information would have the state kill them and their families, they'd prefer if no-one knew about the information except certain people.

http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2006/08/09/race-bottom

The report vividly illustrates how various companies, including Yahoo!, Microsoft, Google, and Skype block terms they believe the Chinese government will want them to censor.

The darknet would allow them to host information that would be otherwised blocked.

I'm pretty sure that the Supreme Court in the USA has stripped legal protections from government whistleblowers? The darknet would allow whistleblowers to publish their findings without fear of their company finding out that they were the whistleblower by tracking them through their IP address.

http://thetyee.ca/News/2005/08/04/TelusCensor/

When Telus blocked Internet subscribers’ access to a pro-union Web site last week, it was condemned for violating principles of free speech.

How else can the union members organise online meetings without the darknet?

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Darknet;

Originally coined in the 1970s to designate networks which were isolated from ARPANET (which evolved into the Internet) for security purposes, darknets were able to receive data from ARPANET but had addresses which did not appear in the network lists and would not answer pings or other inquiries.

The Irish Court System showing what it still thinks of these types of crimes after being caught out is scandal after scandal for centuries. Too many perverts still in the system and it's better to keep it hidden under the rug.

murica should be told to take a hike, he should be prosecuted here, the fact he apparently used an american bank acount isn't good enough grounds IMO