The Game By Neil strauss

Vitaliorange · 11-12-2013 10:02PM

Pen.Island wrote: »

It's like those "funny" iPhone message screenshots you see. They can be fake and made up, just like them videos.

Im fairly sure its not fake, I,ve been watching and reading his material since about 2006 and can say with confidence he is not a bullsh1tter. I actually think he's a hugely inspirational individual pick up aside.

Czarcasm · 11-12-2013 10:06PM

Vitaliorange wrote: »

Whats that mean?

PUA "success" videos are edited from 13 hours of "NO!", "FCUK OFF!", "GET BENT YOU CREEPY PRICK"... down to 13 minutes of "Go on, have sex with me, go on, ahh please... Sorry, can I interrupt your day to beg you to have sex with me? You'll give me your number and a kiss to get me to fcuk off? See lads, THAT'S how it's done!"

Now, before I watch that video you posted, have you watched the video I posted, and would you care to comment on that video?

It's only five minutes out of your day.

Vitaliorange · 11-12-2013 10:12PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

PUA "success" videos are edited from 13 hours of "NO!", "FCUK OFF!", "GET BENT YOU CREEPY PRICK"... down to 13 minutes of "Go on, have sex with me, go on, ahh please... Sorry, can I interrupt your day to beg you to have sex with me? You'll give me your number and a kiss to get me to fcuk off? See lads, THAT'S how it's done!"

Now, before I watch that video you posted, have you watched the video I posted, and would you care to comment on that video?

It's only five minutes out of your day.

Don't feel obligated to watch. I doubt your opinion of PUA will change either way.

The video is of a well know PUA named Owen Cook or "Tyler Durden" discussing how to approach women walking along the street.

He discusses how you should approach and gives an example of a bad approach by approaching badly on purpose and shows how to approach well.

Femme_Fatale · 11-12-2013 10:15PM

old hippy wrote: »

Ah but you see, there is malicious intent.

You assume there is. Pretty sure those guys have expressed their admiration of Asian women actually.
Plus, a lot of Japanese culture is really out-there and "alien" to us (that doesn't mean it's bad - lots of it is awesome).

How can you think jokes about nationalities are always malicious?

Muise... · 11-12-2013 10:16PM

Vitaliorange wrote: »

How to approach in the street.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUDNdHS06C8

Got about 30 seconds in, so I can't comment on the clip itself, but I cringe for you that you posted it.

Chancer3001 · 11-12-2013 10:53PM

Yah can't believe you posted probably the best and most normal PUA around at the moment in this PUA thread.

What an idiot!

Czarcasm · 11-12-2013 11:05PM

Vitaliorange wrote: »

Don't feel obligated to watch. I doubt your opinion of PUA will change either way.

The video is of a well know PUA named Owen Cook or "Tyler Durden" discussing how to approach women walking along the street.

He discusses how you should approach and gives an example of a bad approach by approaching badly on purpose and shows how to approach well.

That wouldn't be the first time Vitaliorange you've completely avoided answering a direct question, in fact it's about the fourth time, and you haven't just avoided direct questions from myself, but you've also avoided direct questions from other posters too. I let it slide because I figured you'd eventually come out with something that would convince me that I may have been thinking about this whole PUA thing wrong all these years.

Instead you're now just doing no better than Balaclava - avoiding discussion and throwing up random videos. Seven years of your life invested in this stuff and the best you could come up with to make a convincing argument was a 30 second sloppy shift with two drunk girls in a 13 minute piece to camera?

I'd have to have the mental intellect of a rotten peach to be convinced by such incredulous immaturity tbh, but I can certainly see now why you might be convinced by it.

In the video you saw him waffle on, and then make some half arsed attempt at throwing himself at some girls, then he waffles on for another five minutes or so, before it cuts to him getting a 30 second sloppy shift.

Where was the example of the "good" approach in practice exactly? During what he called "skank hour"?

You don't even have a clear view of these stunning looking women he took home and obviously wore them out so he could spend more time loving himself in front of the camera.

Truly cringeworthy stuff tbh, and I think you're doing yourself a woeful disservice by buying into that crap.

Vitaliorange · 11-12-2013 11:15PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

That wouldn't be the first time Vitaliorange you've completely avoided answering a direct question, in fact it's about the fourth time, and you haven't just avoided direct questions from myself, but you've also avoided direct questions from other posters too. I let it slide because I figured you'd eventually come out with something that would convince me that I may have been thinking about this whole PUA thing wrong all these years.

Instead you're now just doing no better than Balaclava - avoiding discussion and throwing up random videos. Seven years of your life invested in this stuff and the best you could come up with to make a convincing argument was a 30 second sloppy shift with two drunk girls in a 13 minute piece to camera?

I'd have to have the mental intellect of a rotten peach to be convinced by such incredulous immaturity tbh, but I can certainly see now why you might be convinced by it.

In the video you saw him waffle on, and then make some half arsed attempt at throwing himself at some girls, then he waffles on for another five minutes or so, before it cuts to him getting a 30 second sloppy shift.

Where was the example of the "good" approach in practice exactly? During what he called "skank hour"?

You don't even have a clear view of these stunning looking women he took home and obviously wore them out so he could spend more time loving himself in front of the camera.

Truly cringeworthy stuff tbh, and I think you're doing yourself a woeful disservice by buying into that crap.

There's loads of clips of him and his instructors approaching. They are on youtube.

what questions do you want answered?

I've hardly wasted my time learning about learning about pick up when it has dramatically improved my life.

That clip I posted is more likely to help someone than ashton kutcher telling people to be smart. Smart is sexy, such nonsense, some of the smartest men in the world are terrible with women.

The stuff these guys teach is practical and actually works and deserve complete respect for having the balls to film themselves approach to teach their students.

This stuff below is helpful. Its specific, not vague like ashton kutcher soundbites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEFgvbNBTbk

Czarcasm · 11-12-2013 11:35PM

Vitaliorange wrote: »

There's loads of clips of him and his instructors approaching. They are on youtube.

I'm afraid I've already exceeded my daily cringe quota for today, I'll try again tomorrow to get around to watching some of his better rated stuff. I'm still reading the book too btw because I genuinely do want to understand what you could possibly see in all this stuff that I've clearly missed out on in the last 30 years or so.

what questions do you want answered?

1. What age are you?

2. Did you use PUA lines to attract your current girlfriend?

3. How long have you been in your current relationship?

4. Not so much a question, but more of a favour -

This stuff is about as exciting as watching paint dry. Tell me something exciting about yourself that you feel PUA has influenced in helping you to become more successful and confident in your daily interactions with people. Talk to me like one of your French girls...

5. Would you like to discuss the video I posted?

Vitaliorange · 11-12-2013 11:54PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

I'm afraid I've already exceeded my daily cringe quota for today, I'll try again tomorrow to get around to watching some of his better rated stuff. I'm still reading the book too btw because I genuinely do want to understand what you could possibly see in all this stuff that I've clearly missed out on in the last 30 years or so.

1. What age are you?

2. Did you use PUA lines to attract your current girlfriend?

3. How long have you been in your current relationship?

4. Not so much a question, but more of a favour -

This stuff is about as exciting as watching paint dry. Tell me something exciting about yourself that you feel PUA has influenced in helping you to become more successful and confident in your daily interactions with people. Talk to me like one of your French girls...

5. Would you like to discuss the video I posted?

You are asking me personal information, im late twenties,tried game at first with mixed success when was 20, looking back I didn't understand it at all to begin with, ,then got much better over time. , in my relationship nearly a year, just walked over to her and chatted, no lines used.

My daily interactions are generally better as my emotional Intelligence grew, I accepted myself and lost my social anxiety which makes people more comfortable around me. One of the best ways to be happy is to give value to the world, you can do that by expressing yourself freely and authentically without needing anything in return.

As for the video, he discusses how to approach women walking along the street, that you should commit 100% to the approach you do and how to get yourself into a fun and chatty state, to keep talking until you see the spark of aytraction in her eye. Then take the lead.

homemadecider · 11-12-2013 11:56PM

Vitaliorange wrote: »

Don't feel obligated to watch. I doubt your opinion of PUA will change either way.

The video is of a well know PUA named Owen Cook or "Tyler Durden" discussing how to approach women walking along the street.

He discusses how you should approach and gives an example of a bad approach by approaching badly on purpose and shows how to approach well.

Jaysus, if you're trying to convince us that PUA isn't creepy then that video isn't the way to go. That guy is an absolute dick. Did you miss the part where he suggested you could chat a woman up by going straight in for the kiss? That's sexual assault. The rest of his stuff is absolutely cringeworthy. If a man approached me like that I'd tell him to get bent.

osarusan · 11-12-2013 11:59PM

old hippy wrote: »

Ah but you see, there is malicious intent. And when it comes to the Japanese, they are always portrayed in a "funny foreigner" kind of way. Esp by a few on boards. That it crops up in a thread about emotionally stunted men who don't know how to relate to women, is not so surprising.

It may win me much derision and gleeful laughter but when it comes to loved ones & family, I'm afraid my sense of humour is sorely tested.

Regards,

o.h.

I've never noticed this as any kind of widespreasd problem on boards tbh.

Czarcasm · 12-12-2013 12:57AM

Vitaliorange wrote: »

That clip I posted is more likely to help someone than ashton kutcher telling people to be smart. Smart is sexy, such nonsense, some of the smartest men in the world are terrible with women.

Ashton Kutcher has far more influence and resonates with far more people than all the PUA guys combined. I agree with you that some of the smartest people in the world are found to be lacking when it comes to people skills, but then far more naive people lack people skills than smart people.

The stuff these guys teach is practical and actually works and deserve complete respect for having the balls to film themselves approach to teach their students.

The stuff they present is for entertainment purposes only. They're not actually teaching anything. Their methods are completely impractical because once you go outside their defined set of parameters, you're on your own. I personally wouldn't take advice from two guys that neither of them know how to dress or present themselves - both of them look like they shop in Walmart for their clothes, and both of them could do with a trip to a decent barber. Both of them have the personality of a wet fish, floundering about in front of the camera and trying to act all macho with their "fcuk this, fcuk that, skanks, bitches, etc". They don't deserve anyone's respect. They merely make a show of themselves for the immature fools they are.

This stuff below is helpful. Its specific, not vague like ashton kutcher soundbites.

Vague soundbites? I don't know what you thought was vague about a man who could stand in front of thousands of people and a television audience and deliver a short speech in such confident fashion, one that had more impact around the world in four minutes, than two clowns who couldn't utter a sentence without stumbling over their words, being repeditively vague, and then editing out the hours of shìte footage into something they actually thought was worthy to be puked up on the internet.

Vitaliorange wrote: »

You are asking me personal information, im late twenties,tried game at first with mixed success when was 20, looking back I didn't understand it at all to begin with, ,then got much better over time. , in my relationship nearly a year, just walked over to her and chatted, no lines used.

I appreciate that you took the time to answer honestly. So now that you're in your relationship a year, and you didn't use any lines, can you honestly not see how these videos might seem even just a tad immature? You come across well as a well balanced guy in his late 20's, but then you throw that PUA stuff in there and honestly it's like something a 13 or 14 year old would be posting. That's why I asked your age.

My daily interactions are generally better as my emotional Intelligence grew, I accepted myself and lost my social anxiety which makes people more comfortable around me. One of the best ways to be happy is to give value to the world, you can do that by expressing yourself freely and authentically without needing anything in return.

I think you just grew up tbh. The PUA stuff is all about devaluing people. They devalue men by feeding them a load of crap, encouraging them to devalue women, rather than work to discover their own true potential.

As for the video, he discusses how to approach women walking along the street, that you should commit 100% to the approach you do and how to get yourself into a fun and chatty state, to keep talking until you see the spark of aytraction in her eye. Then take the lead.

And yet we saw none of that put into practice in the video. Where were the stunning looking girls? All I saw was one minute he's apeing around in front of the camera talking about "skank hour" outside a club, then it cuts to a blurry focus shot of him getting sloppy with some drunk girls.

I'm sure the sex was mind blowing of course.

jantheman91 · 12-12-2013 01:29AM

The problem with the whole ''dating'' scene and what not is the ''Game'' aspect.

If you like someone and they like you there shouldn't be a need for this bollox.

I blame the wimminz.

Chancer3001 · 12-12-2013 10:38AM

The problem jan, is getting the person to like you.

A lot of people struggle with that.

The game tries to explain what girls find attractive.

Wibbs · 12-12-2013 11:03AM

Pug160 wrote: »

In places where there is a wider gene pool, the most attractive looking people will probably be more stunning or handsome, but there will also be more average people too, because of the size of the population. I was in Canada a few years back, and sure, the really attractive women were hotter. But that was only a small percentage of them. The average women were the same as the average ones over here IMO.

+1 I'd also say IME that where you have a population of really good looking people, you also tend to have a population of "oh jesus, is that catching". Distinctive features can go both ways.

As for the "Irish aren't great looking"? I'd not be so sure. I find Irish women tend to have softer faces as a general thing. More of a kindness to the face. Some populations seen to be better looking can often have a harsher look. When it works they are gorgeous, but when it doesn't.... Eastern Europeans would be an example of that IMH. You can see that with Latins too. Figure wise we tend towards dumpy, solid, both men and women. Partially genetics, but more about the diet. You see this in the US where a crap sugar and bad fats laden diet, or access to it, is highest. Japanese American folks after a couple of generations are on average taller and heavier than their relatives back home, who would tend towards being much slighter in frame. The more the western golden arches type diet penetrates into a country and pushes out the traditional diet the fatter the people get. We saw it here in the last 30 years. Read something a while back noting this in Russia, where impossibly leggy women with actual hips and tiny waists(rarely seen here) were common, to the degree that there was a run of fashion houses picking models off the street for the runways of the world. Apparently today this is changing in the more urban/westernised diet areas. The western diet is a bloody disaster.

Realistically, most of the average Joes aren't really in with a shot with those types anyway.

I dunno. I've certainly gotten "out of my league" more than once. Actually far better looking than me, not the usual blokes in love "my girlfriend is so much better looking than me" level(rarely objectively true in my experience).

Pug160 wrote: »

I think it just feels that way, which is why it's probably better to not overanalyse it. Thinking about it takes the fun away and makes it all seem too cynical.

This in a big way. Speaking for myself I certainly preferred my naivete.

Toby Take a Bow wrote: »

Other nations that would traditionally be seen as beautiful (Icelandic, Swedish, Norwegian) would also have small gene pools (I would think).

Again lifestyle would be a biggie on top of lucky genes. In Icelands case a large chunk of the female genetics is actually Irish.

old hippy · 12-12-2013 11:51AM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

You assume there is. Pretty sure those guys have expressed their admiration of Asian women actually.
Plus, a lot of Japanese culture is really out-there and "alien" to us (that doesn't mean it's bad - lots of it is awesome).

How can you think jokes about nationalities are always malicious?

We've gone off topic here. You're welcome to pm me if you really want to know.

BraziliaNZ · 12-12-2013 11:57AM

Wibbs wrote: »

Again lifestyle would be a biggie on top of lucky genes. In Icelands case a large chunk of the female genetics is actually Irish.

How do we know they're even good looking up there? Bjork and some Goth my mate went to Uni with are the only Icelandic girls I've ever seen, and both are pretty wrote off tbh

old hippy · 12-12-2013 11:59AM

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

How do we know they're even good looking up there? Bjork and some Goth my mate went to Uni with are the only Icelandic girls I've ever seen, and both are pretty wrote off tbh

:rolleyes:

Czarcasm · 12-12-2013 12:07PM

old hippy wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Ahh hippy would you give over, BN HAS a point, Bjork isn't the best example of the finest Iceland has to offer!

Though come to think of it, Kerry Katona's not far behind her, but at least Bjork has talent and can actually sing!

copeyhagen · 12-12-2013 12:24PM

amazingemmet wrote: »

The secret to all this stuff is it gets you out talking to women and if you talk to enough of them one or two will be interested, simple numbers game dressed up as psuedo science.

if you throw enough **** at a wall, eventually some of it will stick

Kirby · 12-12-2013 12:33PM

Wibbs wrote: »

interestingly sons of widowed mothers often do better than the average. They mature earlier and their number is counted among quite a few high achievers.

Some have even suggested that the best thing a father can do for his sons future success is to die when the sons are about 10-12.

It also gives them a chance to become Batman! Statistically, this chance doubles if both parents are killed simultaneously. Trust me, it's Science yo! :P

old hippy · 12-12-2013 01:13PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

Ahh hippy would you give over, BN HAS a point, Bjork isn't the best example of the finest Iceland has to offer!

Though come to think of it, Kerry Katona's not far behind her, but at least Bjork has talent and can actually sing!

I think not only is she "beautiful" on all counts, she's one of the most talented artists out there.

What is this shallow fascination with perceived beauty, anyway?

BraziliaNZ · 12-12-2013 01:42PM

old hippy wrote: »

I think not only is she "beautiful" on all counts, she's one of the most talented artists out there.

What is this shallow fascination with perceived beauty, anyway?

Give it a rest. She's not pretty. I'm not fascinated by perceived beauty I am just attracted to good looking women. It's only in the eye of the beholder to a certain extent. I doubt anyone wanted to hump Joseph Merrick.

old hippy · 12-12-2013 01:47PM

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Give it a rest. She's not pretty. I'm not fascinated by perceived beauty I am just attracted to good looking women. It's only in the eye of the beholder to a certain extent. I doubt anyone wanted to hump Joseph Merrick.

Is "give it a rest" the height of discourse these days?

Bjork is beautiful and has depth whereas, sadly, your above statement comes across as shallow, immature and facile. It does you no favours but then I guess the target demographic for this PUA lark is perfect for those who suffer from emotional arrested development. I do hope I'm wrong in your case.

WellThen? · 12-12-2013 01:54PM

Haha OMG why is this thread still going. Guys put the book down and go the pub!

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 12-12-2013 01:56PM

WellThen? wrote: »

Haha OMG why is this thread still going. Guys put the book down and go the pub!

it's turned into old hippy v the world now. raising consciousness one bigot at a time

BraziliaNZ · 12-12-2013 01:59PM

old hippy wrote: »

Is "give it a rest" the height of discourse these days?

Bjork is beautiful and has depth whereas, sadly, your above statement comes across as shallow, immature and facile. It does you no favours but then I guess the target demographic for this PUA lark is perfect for those who suffer from emotional arrested development. I do hope I'm wrong in your case.

No, you come across as deluded if you think people don't perceive attractiveness based on looks.

old hippy · 12-12-2013 02:06PM

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

it's turned into old hippy v the world now. raising consciousness one bigot at a time

Nonsense. There's only a handful of repeat offender bigots on AH. The world will have to wait until after winterval. I'll be taking it easy over the festivus.

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

No, you come across as deluded if you think people don't perceive attractiveness based on looks.

And you come across as fruit bat crazy right round the maypole stark staring howl at the moon bedlam bonkers if you dismiss all Icelandic women as "write offs" based on two examples.

Misogynist, vapid and misleading tripe.

BraziliaNZ · 12-12-2013 02:12PM

old hippy wrote: »

And you come across as fruit bat crazy right round the maypole stark staring howl at the moon bedlam bonkers if you dismiss all Icelandic women as "write offs" based on two examples.

Misogynist, vapid and misleading tripe.

I didn't dismiss them all. I was just wondering how a poster came to a conclusion that they're all drop dead gorgeous up there. You don't run into Icelandics every day.

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