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Cyclists, rules of the road, a bit of cop on!

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  • #1052
    wolfpawnat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    chopper6 wrote: »
    "Offences" such as driving through a puddle,yeah?

    You'd be rightly laughed out of the police station...your Helmet Cam (rear-facing) too.

    For not trying to avoid a person, have you any idea what it is like to have your 3 yo soaked head to toe in filthy muddy water by a driver who would not avoid/slow down at a large puddle and continued at speed. What gives a shítbag the notion he is above anyone else because he is in a car?

    Cyclists and Pedestrians have the right not to spend there day soaked at work/school because some git doesn't care.


  • #1053
    wolfpawnat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    alwayssideways wrote: »
    So you are another one that wants me to swerve suddenly or brake suddenly to avoid a puddle that could potentially make an already wet cyclist from getting even wetter?

    Brake sudden? Sweetie, if you don't see a puddle, you're not paying attention to the road. You might want to rethink this whole driving venture.


  • #1054
    alwayssideways
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭alwayssideways


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    Brake sudden? Sweetie, if you don't see a puddle, you're not paying attention to the road. You might want to rethink this whole driving venture.

    Sweetie, the drainage on most of Irelands roads is so bad that all I can see is puddles.


  • #1055
    wolfpawnat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    alwayssideways wrote: »
    Sweetie, the drainage on most of Irelands roads is so bad that all I can see is puddles.

    Obviously if there is no way to avoid it you slow down instead of swerve, but why would anyone ever actually want to go through water in a way you know it will cause another person to become wet?


  • #1056
    RainyDay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,925 ✭✭✭RainyDay


    chopper6 wrote: »
    "Offences" such as driving through a puddle,yeah?

    You'd be rightly laughed out of the police station...your Helmet Cam (rear-facing) too.
    Keep laughing, brother
    http://metro.co.uk/2009/10/14/youtube-happy-splashing-video-driver-kerry-callard-charged-489367/


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  • #1057
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    alwayssideways wrote: »
    So you're telling me to swerve my vehicle that weights a "metric tonne" on a wet road to avoid splashing a cyclist?
    If you can't avoid routine hazards without swerving, you shouldn't be on the road. You'd fail your test for that one.


  • #1058
    alwayssideways
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭alwayssideways


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    Obviously if there is no way to avoid it you slow down instead of swerve, but why would anyone ever actually want to go through water in a way you know it will cause another person to become wet?

    I never said I wanted to splash anybody. If I had to choose between splashing a pedestrian/cyclist or having to swerve on a wet road then I know which I would choose.


  • #1059
    alwayssideways
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭alwayssideways


    seamus wrote: »
    If you can't avoid routine hazards without swerving, you shouldn't be on the road. You'd fail your test for that one.

    If my options are
    1: drive through a puddle
    2: hit a cyclist
    3: avoid the puddle by moving into another lane and potentially oncoming traffic

    it would be number 1 every time.


  • #1060
    chopper6
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    RainyDay wrote: »
    Keep laughing, brother
    http://metro.co.uk/2009/10/14/youtube-happy-splashing-video-driver-kerry-callard-charged-489367/

    The clip, taken from inside the Kerry Callard’s vehicle, is accompanied by her male passenger’s commentary as the car travels along down Weston Hill in Plymouth.

    This is Plymouth in England,yes?

    Do we have the same laws now?


  • #1061
    chopper6
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    seamus wrote: »
    If you can't avoid routine hazards without swerving, you shouldn't be on the road. You'd fail your test for that one.



    That's not true...you must avoid hazards in the safest possible way...if you have to swerve,then you have to swerve.

    The above ignorance of the rules of the road is why cyclists should be forced to take an exam before putting on thier helmets and shorts.


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  • #1062
    wolfpawnat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    alwayssideways wrote: »
    I never said I wanted to splash anybody. If I had to choose between splashing a pedestrian/cyclist or having to swerve on a wet road then I know which I would choose.

    But if the road is wet you should be going slower. You don't need to swerve, merely slow a little, even if you still end up splashing them, it shows you are not uncaring. I rather get soaked by someone who at least feigned caring that a shítbag that didn't even car enough to try not to soak me.


  • #1063
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    chopper6 wrote: »
    That's not true...you must avoid hazards in the safest possible way...if you have to swerve,then you have to swerve.
    Yes, and if you have to swerve it means you've failed to identify the hazard in time and/or you're travelling too fast for the conditions.

    The above is perfect proof of why a driving licence is no indicator that someone is a competent driver.


  • #1064
    alwayssideways
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭alwayssideways


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    But if the road is wet you should be going slower. You don't need to swerve, merely slow a little, even if you still end up splashing them, it shows you are not uncaring. I rather get soaked by someone who at least feigned caring that a shítbag that didn't even car enough to try not to soak me.

    If it's raining heavily no matter what speed you are doing the puddles are difficult to see. If it is unsafe to slow or avoid the puddle and a cyclist happens to be in the firing line of the splash then tough.


  • #1065
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    alwayssideways wrote: »
    If it's raining heavily no matter what speed you are doing the puddles are difficult to see. If it is unsafe to slow or avoid the puddle and a cyclist happens to be in the firing line of the splash then tough.

    Rules of the Road are a good read. Here's from Page 50:

    "You should give extra space when overtaking a cyclist, as they may need to avoid uneven road surfaces and obstacles. This is particularly important on wet or windy days"

    and Page 108:

    "As a driver, you must always be aware of your speed and judge the appropriate speed for your vehicle, taking into account:
    • driving conditions,
    • other users of the road,
    • current weather conditions,
    • all possible hazards, and speed limits"
    Sounds like you need a brush up.


  • #1066
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    alwayssideways wrote: »
    If it's raining heavily no matter what speed you are doing the puddles are difficult to see. If it is unsafe to slow or avoid the puddle and a cyclist happens to be in the firing line of the splash then tough.

    Jesus wept


  • #1067
    wolfpawnat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    If I am correct it is not recommended to splash through water regardless of other road users due to risk damaging under the car isn't it?

    In some respects you have no idea what is in the puddle, potholes, broken metal objects that could damage the car, etc.


  • #1068
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    there's also the risk of aquaplaning and soaking the brakes (and compromising their effectiveness), never mind the potential damage you might do to the underbody.


  • #1069
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    wolfpawnat wrote: »
    If I am correct it is not recommended to splash through water regardless of other road users due to risk damaging under the car isn't it?

    In some respects you have no idea what is in the puddle, potholes, broken metal objects that could damage the car, etc.

    My own tact would be "never drive or cycle into a puddle you can't see the bottom of". :pac:


  • #1070
    CramCycle
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,152 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    [sarcasm]Of course in Ireland, there is no risk of a pothole large enough to pull the wheel from your hands, banjax your suspension and basically ensure you lose control of the vehicle. So your right, why bother slowing down, it wouldn't be expected from a competent driver with any regard for their own safety, let alone concern for anyone elses.[/sarcasm]


  • #1071
    chopper6
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    seamus wrote: »
    Yes, and if you have to swerve it means you've failed to identify the hazard in time and/or you're travelling too fast for the conditions.

    The above is perfect proof of why a driving licence is no indicator that someone is a competent driver.

    A driving licence is a perfectly good indicator of somebody's competance to drive a vehicle.

    What the driver can't factor in is the stupidity of other people on the road...such as people who
    seamus wrote: »
    ther's plenty of places I'll give two fingers to a sign saying "no cycling",

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80208622&postcount=2


    People who see signs and decide to ignore them....that sort of person.


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  • #1072
    alwayssideways
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭alwayssideways


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    Rules of the Road are a good read. Here's from Page 50:

    "You should give extra space when overtaking a cyclist, as they may need to avoid uneven road surfaces and obstacles. This is particularly important on wet or windy days"

    and Page 108:

    "As a driver, you must always be aware of your speed and judge the appropriate speed for your vehicle, taking into account:
    • driving conditions,
    • other users of the road,
    • current weather conditions,
    • all possible hazards, and speed limits"
    Sounds like you need a brush up.


    First point is irrelevant, giving the cyclist the extra space a motorist could still plash them. Space is not the problem here

    Second point, what I am saying is that if I have no other option then the cyclist is going to get wet. End of story. Happy cycling :D


  • #1073
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    alwayssideways wrote: »
    First point is irrelevant, giving the cyclist the extra space a motorist could still plash them. Space is not the problem here

    Second point, what I am saying is that if I have no other option then the cyclist is going to get wet. End of story. Happy cycling :D

    Always!


  • #1074
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    alwayssideways wrote: »
    First point is irrelevant, giving the cyclist the extra space a motorist could still plash them. Space is not the problem here

    Second point, what I am saying is that if I have no other option then the cyclist is going to get wet. End of story. Happy cycling :D

    Thanks. Sounds like you need to cheer up behind the wheel. Anyway, I've gotta go. There's lycra to be worn and a traffic-jam free commute waiting.:pac:


  • #1075
    alwayssideways
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭alwayssideways


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    Thanks. Sounds like you need to cheer up behind the wheel. Anyway, I've gotta go. There's lycra to be worn and a traffic-jam free commute waiting.:pac:

    No traffic jams on the luas either, and nobody splashes me, bonus :cool:


  • #1076
    wolfpawnat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    alwayssideways wrote: »
    No traffic jams on the luas either, and nobody splashes me, bonus :cool:

    No, but there is always the shady fúcker trying to cop a feel! And about 4 people staring into their phones while falling into you. :pac:


  • #1077
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    alwayssideways wrote: »
    No traffic jams on the luas either, and nobody splashes me, bonus :cool:

    I'd say you're a red line kind of guy alright.

    Luas still costs - the bike is free - tax free & fuel free.


  • #1078
    alwayssideways
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭alwayssideways


    Jawgap wrote: »
    I'd say you're a red line kind of guy alright.

    Luas still costs - the bike is free - tax free & fuel free.

    Posh green line for me! Company pays the tab. Keep trying!


  • #1079
    wolfpawnat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭wolfpawnat


    alwayssideways wrote: »
    Posh green line for me! Company pays the tab. Keep trying!

    Same people, different tax bracket.


  • #1080
    Jawgap
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,296 ✭✭✭✭Jawgap


    alwayssideways wrote: »
    Posh green line for me! Company pays the tab. Keep trying!

    What? You're a Luas driver?

    That's the only way I know a company would pay for you to commute home!


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  • #1081
    alwayssideways
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭alwayssideways


    Jawgap wrote: »
    What? You're a Luas driver?

    That's the only way I know a company would pay for you to commute home!

    :rolleyes:....Good one


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