Cyclists, rules of the road, a bit of cop on!

chopper6 · 11-12-2013 11:21AM

rubadub wrote: »

What is a "numpty", I'm guessing its an insult, in which case you are insulting yourself too -unless you are now going to claim you have never cycled a bike before. Wouldn't surprise me with your previous laughable lies.

You do realise this other liar/dreamer is just saying he does this to any cyclist, not one who has done something he considers wrong/annoying/illegal.

I think your Lycra tights must be chaffing,you're in awfully bad form!

wolfpawnat · 11-12-2013 11:27AM

I am sick of nearly being knocked over at traffic lights be unyielding cyclists. I am also sick of ones on their lovely trek and giant racers flying down a footpath barely big enough for a buggy or wheelchair when there is a perfectly good road next to them.

THAT SAID

I am sick of cyclists having to bob and weave families that think cycling paths are an extra footpath for their kids to play on, and I am sick of seeing them side swiped by either blind or idiotic motorists.

Super-Rush · 11-12-2013 11:31AM

rubadub wrote: »

Appropriate user name, cowardly fool, well really you're simply a liar.

Not surprising to see homophobic comments here. I maintained before that cyclists are one of the few groups left that people do not care about being openly prejudiced against. In past generations they would have been openly racist, sexist or homophobic -these sad pathetic fools have to get their anger vented somehow I suppose.

Don't post in this thread again.

Alf Veedersane · 11-12-2013 11:32AM

The world is populated with lots of idiots.

Some of them we encounter every day as pedestrians, cyclists and drivers.

Hobbes · 11-12-2013 11:35AM

Easy fix. Tax/insurance and license for cyclists.

- Tax can help revenue towards making more safer cycle paths.
- Insurance means if there is an accident that they are covered. Will enforce proper clothing/lights.
- License means they have done a proper theory test and tested in a live environment. I'd also say add maintenance to that test.

I would probably extend the theory test to pedestrians as well (maybe part of school course).

I've seen some cyclists do some really stupid things, but they don't hold the monopoly on stupidity when it comes to using the roads.

Pinch Flat · 11-12-2013 11:35AM

What happened to people chilling and treating each other with a bit of respect?

Alf Veedersane · 11-12-2013 11:38AM

Hobbes wrote: »

Easy fix. Tax/insurance and license for cyclists.

How does that work for kids on bikes?

I sure as hell wasn't going to pay any tax or get a license for a bike as a kid. And not every parent has the disposable income to pay for their kid's tax, insurance and license for their bike.

RainyDay · 11-12-2013 11:38AM

chopper6 wrote: »

Did you ever hear such nonsense?

The gardai and your employer getting involved because you pissed off some numpty on a bicycyle...dream on with your "Rear facing helmet cam".

Wakey, wakey my friend.

I guess this bus driver thought that his employer would never find out about him using his phone while driving;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2426712/Bus-driver-sacked-taking-eyes-road-fiddle-handset-passengers-board.html

I've also had a good response from at least two employers when I've reported dangerous driving around cyclists by their drivers. I didn't have helmetcam footage, but they just took my word for it, and followed up with ALL drivers, not just the driver in question.

It never ceases to amaze me how commercial drivers in liveried vehicles forget that they are a mobile advertisement for their employers.

I've also had one driver fined and penalty pointed after reporting to Gardai.

RainyDay · 11-12-2013 11:40AM

Hobbes wrote: »

Easy fix. Tax/insurance and license for cyclists.

- Tax can help revenue towards making more safer cycle paths.
- Insurance means if there is an accident that they are covered. Will enforce proper clothing/lights.
- License means they have done a proper theory test and tested in a live environment. I'd also say add maintenance to that test.

I would probably extend the theory test to pedestrians as well (maybe part of school course).

I've seen some cyclists do some really stupid things, but they don't hold the monopoly on stupidity when it comes to using the roads.

Given that tax/insurance/license/test does little to stop drivers doing stupid things on the road, I'm not sure why you'd expect it to work for bad cyclists?

Be careful what you wish for. If you discourage cycling, many cyclists will get back into their cars, making traffic jams much worse. Is that what you want?

elefant · 11-12-2013 11:41AM

Hobbes wrote: »

Easy fix. Tax/insurance and license for cyclists.

- Tax can help revenue towards making more safer cycle paths.
- Insurance means if there is an accident that they are covered. Will enforce proper clothing/lights.
- License means they have done a proper theory test and tested in a live environment. I'd also say add maintenance to that test.

I would probably extend the theory test to pedestrians as well (maybe part of school course).

I've seen some cyclists do some really stupid things, but they don't hold the monopoly on stupidity when it comes to using the roads.

Maybe bringing in cycle theory in schools like the safe-cross code or something would be good. In the Netherlands I believe they have something like this, even as far as to the proper way to lock your bike to prevent theft!

Bringing in a cycle license and tax for adult cyclists though? They're taking the piss with taxes enough already. Good luck with them trying to get compliance for that one!

Tenzor07 · 11-12-2013 11:45AM

Hobbes wrote: »

Easy fix. Tax/insurance and license for cyclists.

- Tax can help revenue towards making more safer cycle paths.
- Insurance means if there is an accident that they are covered. Will enforce proper clothing/lights.
- License means they have done a proper theory test and tested in a live environment. I'd also say add maintenance to that test.

I would probably extend the theory test to pedestrians as well (maybe part of school course).

I've seen some cyclists do some really stupid things, but they don't hold the monopoly on stupidity when it comes to using the roads.

As most cyclists already pay Motortax and car insurance for the vehicle sitting in there driveways, surely this is just double taxation when there's already Property tax, water charges, VAT...etc..etc...etc..

How to you propose to enforce this Tax and insurance? Discs and license plates on bicycles?

If little Jonny or Mary who are say..7 years old are pulled over at a Garda checkpoint for no bicycle tax or insurance will they get points on there license or be arrested and spend time in a Garda cell until there parents come and bail them out?

Cycling infrastructure comes out of the same pot as roads, paths etc, its called MOTOR tax not ROAD tax after all..
Unless you want to insist pedestrians pay walking tax for new paths?

wolfpawnat · 11-12-2013 11:45AM

elefant wrote: »

Maybe bringing in cycle theory in schools like the safe-cross code or something would be good. In the Netherlands I believe they have something like this, even as far as to the proper way to lock your bike to prevent theft!

Bringing in a cycle license and tax for adult cyclists though? They're taking the piss with taxes enough already. Good luck with them trying to get compliance for that one!

In the Netherlands, people respect cyclists and cyclists have more right of way than pedestrians in some areas. It was one of the bigger things I noted there.

Pinch Flat · 11-12-2013 11:48AM

Hobbes wrote: »

Easy fix. Tax/insurance and license for cyclists.

- Tax can help revenue towards making more safer cycle paths.

Already does - it's called PAYE. If you work, you more than likely pay this.

Hobbes wrote: »

- Insurance means if there is an accident that they are covered. Will enforce proper clothing/lights.

Insurance already available, not obligatory. Do you think motorists would have insurance if it wasn't enshrined in law?

On the clothing / lights, not sure how insurance would help this. Clothing is subjective and I'm sure there's no law dictating what motorists wear when driving (there's a common perception amongst motorists that cyclists should be clad head to toe in day glo yellow clothing). Working lights for bikes are mandatory in law. If you're a responsible and law abiding cyclists who values your own safety, you're going to invest in a decent set.
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Hobbes wrote: »

- License means they have done a proper theory test and tested in a live environment. I'd also say add maintenance to that test.

Like that's evident in the driving standards out there. That said, I would be a fan of doing some basic cycle training at school level - start them young and appreciate the dangers and rules of the road. Did this when I was in primary school many moons ago. Perhaps have a RSA sponsored test that students can sit. Can't do any harm.

Hobbes wrote: »

I've seen some cyclists do some really stupid things, but they don't hold the monopoly on stupidity when it comes to using the roads.

Agree with you 100% there. It's a societal problem - we don't do rules too well.

wolfpawnat · 11-12-2013 11:49AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

As most cyclists already pay Motortax and car insurance for the vehicle sitting in there driveways, surely this is just double taxation when there's already Property tax, water charges, VAT...etc..etc...etc..

How to you propose to enforce this Tax and insurance? Discs and license plates on bicycles?

If little Jonny or Mary who are say..7 years old are pulled over at a Garda checkpoint for no bicycle tax or insurance will they get points on there license or be arrested and spend time in a Garda cell until there parents come and bail them out?

Cycling infrastructure comes out of the same pot as roads, paths etc, its called MOTOR tax not ROAD tax after all..
Unless you want to insist pedestrians pay walking tax for new paths?

Shh, you'll give the government ideas.

The other thing is sooner or later paid bike lessons would have to come in too. It just becomes another money racket.

All that is needed is a free little thing called Cop On. And everyone needs to use it, bus drivers, motorists, pedestrians and cyclists, It's not rocket science.

Why are people so obsessed with others sorting things for them when they only have to sort out themselves.

beauf · 11-12-2013 12:03PM

wolfpawnat wrote: »

...All that is needed is a free little thing called Cop On. And everyone needs to use it, bus drivers, motorists, pedestrians and cyclists, It's not rocket science. ...

Exactly.

Of course if there was more enforcement of the existing rules there would be no need so many of these threads.

Pinch Flat · 11-12-2013 12:32PM

http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/motoring/worst-counties-named-in-penalty-points-list-29827549.html

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/red-alert-for-drivers-who-break-lights-as-luas-collisions-soar-29827556.html

ThisRegard · 11-12-2013 12:38PM

Hobbes wrote: »

Easy fix. Tax/insurance and license for cyclists.

- Tax can help revenue towards making more safer cycle paths.
- Insurance means if there is an accident that they are covered. Will enforce proper clothing/lights.
- License means they have done a proper theory test and tested in a live environment. I'd also say add maintenance to that test.

I would probably extend the theory test to pedestrians as well (maybe part of school course).

I've seen some cyclists do some really stupid things, but they don't hold the monopoly on stupidity when it comes to using the roads.

I pay tax and insurance on two cars already, as well as having a licence.

CramCycle · 11-12-2013 02:01PM

I passed a test to get my license, my mother in law got one because of the license lottery, my neighbour got one because she waved her eyelashes and wore a short skirt in the 60s.

Point: Having a license, in this country means nothing in terms of your ability to drive.

wolfpawnat · 11-12-2013 02:04PM

CramCycle wrote: »

I passed a test to get my license, my mother in law got one because of the license lottery, my neighbour got one because she waved her eyelashes and wore a short skirt in the 60s.

Point: Having a license, in this country means nothing in terms of your ability to drive.

You can also fail your test and drive out of the car park.

Jawgap · 11-12-2013 02:28PM

CramCycle wrote: »

I passed a test to get my license, my mother in law got one because of the license lottery, my neighbour got one because she waved her eyelashes and wore a short skirt in the 60s.

Point: Having a license, in this country means nothing in terms of your ability to drive.

There was no lottery as such - they just had an amnesty in 1979(?) - and before 1964 there was no test, just just paid your money and away you went - meaning some of the older drivers on our roads have never had to pass a test!

Jawgap · 11-12-2013 02:35PM

wolfpawnat wrote: »

You can also fail your test and drive out of the car park.

You can also pass your test in a 700cc mini, then hop into a BMW M5!

CramCycle · 11-12-2013 03:08PM

Jawgap wrote: »

they just had an amnesty in 1979(?)

They did, 10s of thousands of people who either never bothered applying or just failed their test outright ie it was all second or more provisional license holders.

alwayssideways · 11-12-2013 05:21PM

seamus wrote: »

Yeah. You know you're driving a metric tonne of steel at speeds beyond the capabilites of most other organisms on the planet.

It's not a fncking toy, and thankfully authorities are copping onto this fact and prosecuting anyone who uses it like a toy and not what it's actually built for - getting from A to B quicker.

So you're telling me to swerve my vehicle that weights a "metric tonne" on a wet road to avoid splashing a cyclist?

wolfpawnat · 11-12-2013 05:24PM

alwayssideways wrote: »

So you're telling me to swerve my vehicle that weights a "metric tonne" on a wet road to avoid splashing a cyclist?

You should avoid splashing anyone not in a car. Pedestrian or cyclist. I thought that was a reportable offence these days.

chopper6 · 11-12-2013 05:28PM

wolfpawnat wrote: »

You should avoid splashing anyone not in a car. Pedestrian or cyclist. I thought that was a reportable offence these days.

Reportable to who?

Nobody gives a damn if some idiot on a bike gets wet...you think the cops have nothing better to do?

wolfpawnat · 11-12-2013 05:32PM

chopper6 wrote: »

Reportable to who?

Nobody gives a damn if some idiot on a bike gets wet...you think the cops have nothing better to do?

I was under the impression that licence plates were reportable to the gardaí for such offences. And how is someone an idiot for cycling?

And calm down, no one likes reading posts that seem like they were written by someone being forced to sit on a hot poker!

chopper6 · 11-12-2013 05:34PM

wolfpawnat wrote: »

I was under the impression that licence plates were reportable to the gardaí for such offences. And how is someone an idiot for cycling?

"Offences" such as driving through a puddle,yeah?

You'd be rightly laughed out of the police station...your Helmet Cam (rear-facing) too.

alwayssideways · 11-12-2013 05:38PM

wolfpawnat wrote: »

You should avoid splashing anyone not in a car. Pedestrian or cyclist. I thought that was a reportable offence these days.

So you are another one that wants me to swerve suddenly or brake suddenly to avoid a puddle that could potentially make an already wet cyclist from getting even wetter?

07Lapierre · 11-12-2013 05:38PM

alwayssideways wrote: »

So you're telling me to swerve my vehicle that weights a "metric tonne" on a wet road to avoid splashing a cyclist?

Most potholes fill with water when it rains. If a cyclists safety doesn't bother you, maybe concern for your own vehicle will?

Jawgap · 11-12-2013 05:38PM

alwayssideways wrote: »

So you're telling me to swerve my vehicle that weights a "metric tonne" on a wet road to avoid splashing a cyclist?

You shouldn't be in a position where you need to swerve........and decent driver capable of defensive driving could tell you that.

Cyclists, rules of the road, a bit of cop on!

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