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Saudi Arabia to expel up to 2 million workers

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Well if you think educated means the compulsory studying of Islam at University and memorization of the Qur'an, then yes.


    It would be nice if you read what I was responding to. The ruling elite are educated abroad at western universities.


  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well if you think educated means the compulsory studying of Islam at University and memorization of the Qur'an, then yes.
    Religious education is compulsory here as well!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭smcgiff


    Saudi Arabia is a very interesting social experiment. It'll be even more interesting when the oil runs out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,943 ✭✭✭smcgiff


    Religious education is compulsory here as well!

    No it's not. A lot of schools were/are religious run so it may be de facto in some areas - I'll give you that.


  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    smcgiff wrote: »
    Saudi Arabia is a very interesting social experiment. It'll be even more interesting when the oil runs out.
    Most of the Middle East is a bit of an anomaly because in ancient times there were no countries, just City states and the desert between them was given the same status as the open oceans are today. The countries were created by European empire builders who needed to map their conquests (or attempted to conquer).

    A few lines drawn in the wrong places has resulted in some very fragmented nations, a perfect recipe for civil unrest when things get tight. Arab spring part II.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,288 ✭✭✭Oregano_State


    smcgiff wrote: »
    Saudi Arabia is a very interesting social experiment. It'll be even more interesting when the oil runs out.

    I'm pretty sure they have gold and and other precious metal reserves that they're sitting on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,113 ✭✭✭shruikan2553


    smcgiff wrote: »
    No it's not. A lot of schools were/are religious run so it may be de facto in some areas - I'll give you that.

    I may be wrong with this but I thought that schools must teach some form of religion to receive state funding. It can be many religions like the ET schools but you cannot have school without religion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    So their cheap labour is gone to be replaced by Saudis demanding higher pay... /go Saudi ! You stupid nation! -.-;


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 226 ✭✭Frank Garrett


    Religious education is compulsory here as well!

    Only for Catholics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,091 ✭✭✭Antar Bolaeisk


    BeerWolf wrote: »
    So their cheap labour is gone to be replaced by Saudis demanding higher pay... /go Saudi ! You stupid nation! -.-;

    The locals won't do the work though, anything that is perceived as being menial is beneath them.

    They have a great dole system however, every company's staff must be comprised of at least 10% Saudis, so there's a load of people on the payroll who you will never see. I think their actual rate of unemployment is much, much higher, they're just hiding it quite well, sort of like job bridge on a grand scale without the having to work bit.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,122 ✭✭✭BeerWolf


    The locals won't do the work though, anything that is perceived as being menial is beneath them.

    They have a great dole system however, every company's staff must be comprised of at least 10% Saudis, so there's a load of people on the payroll who you will never see. I think their actual rate of unemployment is much, much higher, they're just hiding it quite well, sort of like job bridge on a grand scale without the having to work bit.

    And this is why I hate Saudi's - they generally perceive themselves as better than everyone else. I seriously look forward to how these feckers handle themselves once they've ran dry of their oil within the next 50 years. Probably end up becoming like Somalia.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,267 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Is it just a case of a country putting its own citizens first?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 226 ✭✭preston johnny


    Nodin wrote: »
    It would be nice if you read what I was responding to. The ruling elite are educated abroad at western universities.

    WTF are you on about?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    WTF are you on about?

    Read the post it is quite obvious really!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭shamrock55


    Great idea it should be done here too


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    shamrock55 wrote: »
    Great idea it should be done here too
    Shure its hardly worth it, I mean how many Ethiopian workers do we have here?


  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is it just a case of a country putting its own citizens first?
    Yes it is, but is it acceptable? Historically, the migrants would have been driven out or killed, with many countries (where these migrants are from) experiencing population explosions, they are unlikely to receive a warm welcome when they get "home".


  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    shamrock55 wrote: »
    Great idea it should be done here too

    Would you be happy if the UK, Australia, and Canada expelled all Irish workers it would only be fair, as you want to expel foreigner workers from Ireland, or dose it only work in one direction in your world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,442 ✭✭✭shamrock55


    mariaalice wrote: »
    Would you be happy if the UK, Australia, and Canada expelled all Irish workers it would only be fair, as you want to expel foreigner workers from Ireland, or dose it only work in one direction in your world.

    No no keep them there, only the one direction for me thanks


  • Posts: 31,828 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    shamrock55 wrote: »
    No no keep them there, only the one direction for me thanks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭Auldloon


    I worked there. It's basically an open prison. The Saudis I met were absolute cun"s to a man. I got to know a Bangladeshi guy who told me his story, modern slavery is the best description.
    Best climate ever though, warm and no humidity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76 ✭✭Limecube


    I have heard persistent stories that Saudi Arabian students engage in widespread cheating at exams. I would never trust them w.r.t. results getting into places like Royal College of Surgeons.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Limecube wrote: »
    I have heard persistent stories that Saudi Arabian students engage in widespread cheating at exams. .......

    I've heard if you hop backwards while saying the Popes name in German, a demon will appear and offer a deal for your soul.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Awful thing to do, but honestly they may be better off. I had an Uncle who was there legally and they generally treated foreign workers like crap, regardless of there whether they were there legally or not.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭Sunglasses Ron


    Einhard wrote: »
    Ha, the chances of the average Saudi citizen applying for any type of menial job are nil to none. The reason they have 10 million foreigners in the country to sweep the streets, make the tea, mind the babies, teach the children, build the roads, drive the taxis is because the locals wouldn't be caught dead doing so. And, as long as the authorities bribe the populace with grants and goodies to ensure they won't revolt, then they won't have to. Idiotic move.
    crybaby wrote: »
    Only 11 percent of workers in the private sector are Saudi nationals, the sheer laziness is mind boggling. Sweeping a street, driving a taxi or cooking a meal is beneath them

    About time they get off their oil rich holes and started working

    Is there not an irony somewhere of tarring each and every Saudi citizen as a lazy obese maid raping misogynist getting fat of the blood and sweat of their migrant workers? :confused:


    woodoo wrote: »
    If a European country was to do the same what word would we see used repeatedly... you guessed it... the word RACIST.

    The Saudi economy is in decline seemingly, what else do you expect them to do? If we had done like the rest of the EU in 2003 and went down the route of renewable work permits and such, which under the EU law at the time we were perfectly entitled to do, we may not have gotten into quite as deep of a crisis as we have. But of course, to come up with a scheme like that would be Fianna Fail effectively admitting there was some possibility the CT might not last forever, and sure talk like that would be sure to give the contributors at the Galway Races the s'hits about how the days of being knee deep in Bulgarian apartments might be a bad move.

    And exactly how exploited are the bulk of these workers? Now, I don't know if any of you have even been there but people are claiming that every taxi driver, street sweeper, bus driver, security guard, retail worker and so on and so forth is foreign. I know in Qatar many of the Nepalese work as construction labourers in awful conditions- their life consists of little but the site and the hostel provided for them. They are fed rations and paid a wage only mildly better than their home country despite living in a nation where a night out would probably cost them their years wages. They live for years in a country where they likely never buy a single item, working on sites where the architect is on Western wages and the labourers (and, I would guess, even the bulk of the tradesmen) are on a few bucks a day.

    That is exploitation. Working a minimum wage job that allows the worker to pay their own rent and save some amount of money is anything but. I know workers living with their employers in Saudi are often abused, but people like the aforementioned bus and taxi drivers? Really? Not to mention that with th scrutiny that Western human rights organisations put on firms outsourcing work to abusive employers (Apple in China for example) I would be somewhat doubtful that the US and UK oil firms out there are paying the site cleaners and general hands a complete pittance and getting away with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 432 ✭✭malibu4u


    And exactly how exploited are the bulk of these workers? Now, I don't know if any of you have even been there but people are claiming that every taxi driver, street sweeper, bus driver, security guard, retail worker and so on and so forth is foreign. I know in Qatar many of the Nepalese work as construction labourers in awful conditions- their life consists of little but the site and the hostel provided for them. They are fed rations and paid a wage only mildly better than their home country despite living in a nation where a night out would probably cost them their years wages. They live for years in a country where they likely never buy a single item, working on sites where the architect is on Western wages and the labourers (and, I would guess, even the bulk of the tradesmen) are on a few bucks a day.

    That is exploitation.
    Dubai is the same. The labourers etc are imported from third world countries and paid next to nothing. The middle east is a horrible place in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,919 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Is there not an irony somewhere of tarring each and every Saudi citizen as a lazy obese maid raping misogynist getting fat of the blood and sweat of their migrant workers? :confused:

    Might be, but since I suggested nothing of the sort, I don't see the relevance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,199 ✭✭✭coolbeans


    The Saudi economy is in decline seemingly, what else do you expect them to do? If we had done like the rest of the EU in 2003 and went down the route of renewable work permits and such, which under the EU law at the time we were perfectly entitled to do, we may not have gotten into quite as deep of a crisis as we have.


    Not really sure how our immigration policies deepened the crisis. It was excessive lending by the banks coupled with irresponsible borrowing by a huge minority of Irish people that led to that. FF's populist policies only added fuel to the fire. Nothing to do with immigration. In fact immigration today is keeping the likes of Google and eBay in Ireland due to the massive shortage of skilled Irish workers in the tech sector.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,613 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    They are deporting NON-DOCUMENTED ILLEGAL RESIDENTS. They don't have a problem with people who have the legal right to reside and work in the country. Saudi Arabia has changed dramatically in the last 5 years under the present monarch, with a huge young population, the government has realised that they must create employment opportunities for them or they could face their own spring event. It is extremely common to find young Saudis males and females working in stores or even starbucks, the majority of taxi drivers are also Saudi. They certainly aren't ready to clean the streets just yet, but by the next generation they will be :)

    Now how would you like to have 300,000 illegal people living in Ireland (8% of population). How would you feel if every time you stopped at a traffic light your car was accosted by a dozen beggars, some with missing limbs, some with babies, or if you parked your car you would be surrounded by a dozen car washers trying to earn 3 euros to wash your car. This is the visible signs of this illegal population.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    smurfjed wrote: »
    They are deporting NON-DOCUMENTED ILLEGAL RESIDENTS. They don't have a problem with people who have the legal right to reside and work in the country. Saudi Arabia has changed dramatically in the last 5 years under the present monarch, with a huge young population, the government has realised that they must create employment opportunities for them or they could face their own spring event. It is extremely common to find young Saudis males and females working in stores or even starbucks, the majority of taxi drivers are also Saudi. They certainly aren't ready to clean the streets just yet, but by the next generation they will be :)

    Now how would you like to have 300,000 illegal people living in Ireland (8% of population). How would you feel if every time you stopped at a traffic light your car was accosted by a dozen beggars, some with missing limbs, some with babies, or if you parked your car you would be surrounded by a dozen car washers trying to earn 3 euros to wash your car. This is the visible signs of this illegal population.


    O NOES!!!!!!!!


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