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The Game By Neil strauss
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But isn't that EXACTLY what you're doing by thinking all women can be neatly boxed into categories, or "typecasts" as Vin DiCarlo calls them according to his Pandora's Box theory?
You're trying to suggest that you can predict how a person will behave in a set situation before you've ever even met them? If that's not judging a book before you've even seen the book cover, I don't know what it is tbh.
By the by, that phrase was only relevant when books all looked the same - brown leatherbound covers. Nowadays it's pretty easy to judge a book by it's cover, in fact that's exactly what the publishers WANT you to do, so you have the likes of Celia Ahern and Cathy Kelly's chick lit is all pink and fluffy and romancey covers, whereas the likes of the FSOG trilogy covers tries (and fails miserably) to be all dark and mysterious, etc. Lady Chatterly's Lover or the works of Shakespeare make for a far better read tbh if you like lurid and salacious debauchery!
I myself preferred Mills and Boon back in the day, the ever adventurous Fabio (Google him, right up your PU alley!) gripping some chaste but lusty maiden in his arms, you knew what you were going to read, they did far more to fuel a 12 year old boys imagination than the full frontal "Here's what a vagina looks like!" of Hustler et al that all the other boys were obsessing about! No imagination required, same as much of the PUA instruction manuals - no imagination required, and that's what makes them an easy sell to people devoid of imagination or inspiration that are just looking for a quick fix solution to what they see presenting as their most immediate issue.
I've never seen that pandora stuff. Sounds stupid to me.
Read the attraction code and tell me thats not good advice.
Who says you can predict everything?
When you learn play a sport for a long you become familiar with patterns of play. You can't predict everything, but you become familiar with patterns of play and gain more control of the flow of play.
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The above is the problem with PUA. Some of the men who get into it do so because they have real issues with social interaction. Even to the point of a pathology. This obsessive box ticking and by rote "systems" gets these men in even deeper as the personality is attracted to that sort of thing. Think Sheldon Cooper as a horndog*. These types of men may need actual trained help, but usually won't stand out enough(their biggest "symptom" to get it. That's why I think it dangerous. Because of these types of men. Not the stuff itself. As you can all see it's mostly utterly daft and laughable.
It's all a bit obsessive and cultish for some of these men too. Again IMHO part of the pathology. They feel a real need to share this stuff as we've seen here. It's like a pyramid scheme, Amway for Asbergers.
Most of the rest of the men either come out of their shells naturally and take what might be useful from it and it's fine. Others like to live vicariously through the "gurus" stories of conquests. Like the letters pages of Penthouse sort of thing. "I was interrailing across Europe and in this cabin were two Swedish models...."
Your problem is it doesn't match your experience of what is possible for you and therefore you dismiss it.
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Vitaliorange wrote: »I've never seen that pandora stuff. Sounds stupid to me.
I'm glad to hear you say that Vitaliorange, because that's how stupid the rest of the PUA stuff (including rsdnation) is to people who don't need instructions on how to interact with people. The likes of PUA have you convinced that women are almost like a separate species to men that need to be conquered and put back in their place, be shown that men are superior and women are inferior in every way. It's an easy ideology for men who feel inferior to women to buy into in order to "reassert their dominance over women". It's laughable because it doesn't teach men anything about having respect for people. There was nothing in that 13:20 min clip that said anything about respect for women. It was all "she'll think you're Jesus if you remember her name", carrying a woman out of the club and bunging her into a cab, and "when one of my students get laid on a bootcamp weekend, I get laid by proxy...". Are you fcuking shìtting me? "I getting laid by proxy".Read the attraction code and tell me thats not good advice.
If you insist then, I'll download it later and report back tomorrow, should be a fairly short read. Though honestly, the best advice I would give you for your own self-development is to avoid that shìt like the plague. You don't need it. What you DO need though is to learn that women are no different to you. They all have their own hopes, dreams, ambitions, successes and failures, fears, insecurities and aspirations too, and talking to them like they're not just a walking fanny you'll tend to find out a lot more about the way an individual woman thinks, and you'll realise they're not all the same empty vessels with an empty life that were just waiting on you to come along and fulfill them.Who says you can predict everything?
Nobody says you can predict everything (even PUA "gurus" will cover their arses adequately enough on that score, amongst all their other vague claims of success), but what PUA's and yourself are saying is that if you do this, this and this, women will do this, this and this. You're trying to suggest you can analyse human behavioural patterns with absolutely no scientific basis beyond some fluffy guff given by some chap I'd safely say has never gone beyond chasing college girls round campus.When you learn play a sport for a long you become familiar with patterns of play. You can't predict everything, but you become familiar with patterns of play and gain more control of the flow of play.
I knew the sport analogy would come up sooner or later, that or game theory (not to be confused with the PUA idea of game theory which misappropriates the mathematical concept). You can only become familiar with patterns of play in a sport when you are playing the same opponent every time. With people, and especially with regard to interacting in social situations, there are no hard and fast rules like there are in say for example a game of chess. There's always going to be that one that will throw your pre-set moves list out the window and then you're left effectively limp-dicked because you're in a situation where you can't adapt because the girl isn't playing ball by your rules and your ideas on how the interaction should go.
I'm not going to watch any more of these video clips because between the guy in the clip yesterday who spent the whole clip picking his nose while intimidating a tourist, and the above clip of a guy who couldn't answer a straight question but loves the sound of his own voice, I really think I've seen enough creepy, cringeworthy, embarrassing behaviour to last for the next couple of hours anyway.0 -
He has no problem seeing as he doesn't hate women (like you do) and doesn't need to resort to PUA, yet still gets plenty of women. Don't be jealous of him.Balaclava1991 wrote: »Your problem is it doesn't match your experience of what is possible for you and therefore you dismiss it.0 -
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Talib Fiasco wrote: »
In all f*cking honesty, he probably still uses bullsh*t stories like this today and teaches that. I'd cringe if I said that when I was in primary school let alone as a grown man. Making up stories to grab attention while subconsciously appearing incredibly needy. I just don't get it. I'm all for supporting dudes who help antisocial guys get confidence and learn how to speak to people, note people not just women but using routines to falsely appear cool is absolute crap. Besides I can't see that crap working with Irish women tbh.
Jealous much?
Clearly what he did worked and he had that hottie hooked.0 -
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Balaclava1991 wrote: »Jealous much?
Clearly what he did worked and he had that hottie hooked.
Jealous of a guy who has to look like a lunatic to draw attention. Jealous of a guy who had several mental breakdowns because he realised there is more to life than pulling women. Jealous of a guy who measures himself by the ability to pull women. Jealous of a guy who has to use studied lines/routines/stories to conversate with average people. Jealous of a guy who's 40 years old and still goes clubbing. Yeah I'm jealous :rolleyes:0 -
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Balaclava1991 wrote: »The idea is to tease her playfully and wind her up a bit to prove me wrong and to try and best me in a verbal duel. It's all part of the Bait, Hook, Reel and Release process. A woman is essentially like a game fish with me in the fighting chair at the stern of the boat. When you are fighting a game fish with a rod and reel you are reeling the fish in and then letting the line go slack giving the fish some length of line and but gradually pulling it further and further to the boat. Eventually the fish breeches and trashes before you can harpoon it and haul onto the deck.
This has gone on for long enough, from laughable, funny to weirdly creepy. It ends here. Banned.
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