An Taisce taking UK Govt to court.

MadsL · 08-12-2013 06:41AM #1

An Taisce claim that the Irish people have not been consulted on the plans to build a nuclear power station in Somerset, 150 miles from the Irish coast.

They claim the UK acted unlawfully by failing to consult the Irish people.

They are not saying nuclear power is wrong or right but the consultation should have included those who live within 200 miles of it.

I'd see this as being a positive action, but the Irish Government have not given much support.

Right or Wrong AH?

kneemos · 08-12-2013 07:02AM

They're obviously against it if they're going to court.
Unless there's some EU legislation that can stop them building it I doubt the British Government could care less.

banquo · 08-12-2013 07:07AM

I'm a fan of nuclear power over the alternatives, but many aren't, and on an issue where many of the people in the danger zone [/Archer] would take issue with it they should absolutely be consulted.

I'd say fine, but my neighbours may not.

MadsL · 08-12-2013 07:12AM

kneemos wrote: »

They're obviously against it if they're going to court.
Unless there's some EU legislation that can stop them building it I doubt the British Government could care less.

Well you don't have to be "for" murder to defend a man accused of murder in court.

An Taisce do not have an official stance for or against nuclear.

TeddyTedson · 08-12-2013 07:34AM

MadsL wrote: »

An Taisce claim that the Irish people have not been consulted on the plans to build a nuclear power station in Somerset, 150 miles from the Irish coast.

They claim the UK acted unlawfully by failing to consult the Irish people.

They are not saying nuclear power is wrong or right but the consultation should have included those who live within 200 miles of it.

I'd see this as being a positive action, but the Irish Government have not given much support.

Right or Wrong AH?

Can't really be dictating to the neighbours now can we.

Cookie_Monster · 08-12-2013 09:15AM

why 200 miles, not 50 or 500. just because that's far enough so Ireland can get uppity?
None of our business what the UK is doing on UK soil, maybe if it was 5-10km north on the border in NI they'd have an argument, but not on mainland UK.

harryr711 · 08-12-2013 10:42AM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

why 200 miles, not 50 or 500. just because that's far enough so Ireland can get uppity?
None of our business what the UK is doing on UK soil, maybe if it was 5-10km north on the border in NI they'd have an argument, but not on mainland UK.

The UN say you're wrong.

harryr711 · 08-12-2013 10:46AM

MadsL wrote: »

An Taisce claim that the Irish people have not been consulted on the plans to build a nuclear power station in Somerset, 150 miles from the Irish coast.

They claim the UK acted unlawfully by failing to consult the Irish people.

They are not saying nuclear power is wrong or right but the consultation should have included those who live within 200 miles of it.

I'd see this as being a positive action, but the Irish Government have not given much support.

Right or Wrong AH?

FG and Lab haven't given any support because they've known of the development and have ignored the requirement for a consultation with the Irish people regarding the environmental impact assessment (EIA) and the potential transboundary impacts of the development, totally disregarding the UN Convention on such nuclear developments.

Zamboni · 08-12-2013 10:51AM

Let them on.
If and when a time came that we were f*cked for energy they'd give us a dig out before anyone else.

UCDVet · 08-12-2013 11:16AM

This is why I don't like politics.

* Almost all of the UK is within 150 miles from an Irish coast.

* The UK already has dozen or so nuclear power-plants operating, most within 150 miles of an Irish coast.

* Finally, and most importantly....what the hell are we going to do about it? Write a strongly worded letter? Complain? Yeah, that's it. What a waste of time. The UK doesn't need our permission to build a plant, and we certainly can't stop them by force.

We sound like an unpopular girl in primary school upset that she was 'consulted' on someone else's plans for the weekend. I'd say the public announcements that have been all over the news is notification enough, and that's more than we're entitled to.

We aren't saying it's wrong to build a nuclear plant.
We're not saying we're against it....
We're just saying, we wanted to be 'consulted'.

:rolleyes:

Sure, sure, I'm sure there is some 1,000 page legal document that lots and lots of rich elected officials spent the better part of several years putting together that outlines the correct policy for opening a nuclear powerplant, but the rules within are just as trivial.

This is like me needing to consult my neighbour before getting a new sound system, but where he has no ability to impact my purchasing decision.

StudentDad · 08-12-2013 11:26AM

If we want a say in what happens in the UK on issues that have no impact on us good, bad or indifferent we can join the UK and then rail all we like against it through our MPs in Parliament. Until that extremely unlikely event

arrives, what the UK govt. decides to do is none of our business.

Also, if it were such a terrible thing our ministers and MEP's would be hopping up and down at at European level. The media is very quiet on such matters tbh. No mention of hopping or strong language or indeed strongly worded letters in the last while.

SD

08-12-2013 11:43AM

A classic Irish solution to an Irish problem, No nuclear power stations allowed to be built in Ireland but no problem in "importing" nuclear generated electricity from the UK!
Now they're complaining that the UK is trying to build sufficient generating capacity to replace the smoky coal power stations with new (French) nuclear ones.

harryr711 · 08-12-2013 12:23PM

Zamboni wrote: »

Let them on.
If and when a time came that we were f*cked for energy they'd give us a dig out before anyone else.

A "dig out"? No. They'd sell us electricity for as high a price as they could get. Irrelevant anyway. There's a much greater chance of them being "****ed for energy" long before we will.

UCDVet wrote: »

This is why I don't like politics.

* Almost all of the UK is within 150 miles from an Irish coast.

* The UK already has dozen or so nuclear power-plants operating, most within 150 miles of an Irish coast.

* Finally, and most importantly....what the hell are we going to do about it? Write a strongly worded letter? Complain? Yeah, that's it. What a waste of time. The UK doesn't need our permission to build a plant, and we certainly can't stop them by force.

We sound like an unpopular girl in primary school upset that she was 'consulted' on someone else's plans for the weekend. I'd say the public announcements that have been all over the news is notification enough, and that's more than we're entitled to.

We aren't saying it's wrong to build a nuclear plant.
We're not saying we're against it....
We're just saying, we wanted to be 'consulted'.

:rolleyes:

Sure, sure, I'm sure there is some 1,000 page legal document that lots and lots of rich elected officials spent the better part of several years putting together that outlines the correct policy for opening a nuclear powerplant, but the rules within are just as trivial.

This is like me needing to consult my neighbour before getting a new sound system, but where he has no ability to impact my purchasing decision.

Public consultations and EIAs are standard practice for any power infrastructure project, whether it's nuclear, renewable, or whatever. Nuclear, because of the nature of it, has tighter regulation, and potential transboundary impacts must be assessed.

kerry4sam · 08-12-2013 12:30PM

I voted An Tasice were right to do this. It could set a real interesting precedent if they win this. I would trust An Taisce!

Linkie right here.

Conmaicne Mara · 08-12-2013 12:55PM

Can't stand An Taisce, up the Brits

UCDVet · 08-12-2013 01:05PM

harryr711 wrote: »

A "dig out"? No. They'd sell us electricity for as high a price as they could get. Irrelevant anyway. There's a much greater chance of them being "****ed for energy" long before we will.

Public consultations and EIAs are standard practice for any power infrastructure project, whether it's nuclear, renewable, or whatever. Nuclear, because of the nature of it, has tighter regulation, and potential transboundary impacts must be assessed.

Sounds very wishy-washy to me....

They don't have any legal requirement to comply with any of the requests made as a result of a consultation. So it seems equally silly to have a legal obligation to have consultations.

EDIT: Also, this....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-13438946

Sounds like the information regarding the new plant was available, but perhaps we didn't get a gold lettered invitation to review it? I dunno, but again, I don't see the point.

harryr711 · 08-12-2013 01:18PM

UCDVet wrote: »

Sounds very wishy-washy to me....

They don't have any legal requirement to comply with any of the requests made as a result of a consultation. So it seems equally silly to have a legal obligation to have consultations.

EDIT: Also, this....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-13438946

Sounds like the information regarding the new plant was available, but perhaps we didn't get a gold lettered invitation to review it? I dunno, but again, I don't see the point.

It's not wishy-washy at all, it's standard industry practice. If I want to develop a power plant, say a wind farm, I have to have a public consultation, produce an EIA and an SIA, apply for planning permission with the local council, etc. It's all part of responsible development. There are no transnational issues with wind farms so consultations with other countries aren't required - that is the difference with nuclear.

MadsL · 08-12-2013 01:50PM

UCDVet wrote: »

This is like me needing to consult my neighbour before getting a new sound system, but where he has no ability to impact my purchasing decision.

You'd probably want a say however if your neighbour wanted to convert his land to a pig farm...

Birdnuts · 08-12-2013 01:54PM

I'd prefer if An Taisce take the UK to court over their plane to cover the irish midlands with giant useless windturbines due to their own citizens waking up to the scam that is wind energy.

MadsL · 08-12-2013 02:04PM

Birdnuts wrote: »

I'd prefer if An Taisce take the UK to court over their plane to cover the irish midlands with giant useless windturbines due to their own citizens waking up to the scam that is wind energy.

An Taisce have challenged {successfully} the placement of many wind projects.

The Diabolical Monocle · 08-12-2013 02:31PM

M'eh 150 miles/250km before Rosslare.
Oxford and the home counties and London are closer.

They'd never hurt anyone of value from the old boys club, so it must be perfectly safe.

Pedantic whinging, An taisce is just being a little queen as usual.
An taisce is just being petty as usual.
An taisce not living in the real world, too busy being a nit picking whinge bag as usual.
An taisce needs to stop being a pathetic obsessive wind bag that throws its toys if the t's aren't crossed and the i's aren't dotted.
I think an taisce suffers some form of ocd as a result of being rightly ignored.

MadsL · 08-12-2013 02:36PM

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

M'eh 150 miles/250km before Rosslare.
Oxford and the home counties and London are closer.

They'd never hurt anyone of value from the old boys club, so it must be perfectly safe.

Pedantic whinging, An taisce is just being a little queen as usual.
An taisce is just being petty as usual.
An taisce not living in the real world, too busy being a nit picking whinge bag as usual.
An taisce needs to stop being a pathetic obsessive wind bag that throws its toys if the t's aren't crossed and the i's aren't dotted.
I think an taisce suffers some form of ocd as a result of being rightly ignored.

Nice rant. Almost entirely misinformed but nice rant anyway.

galwayrush · 08-12-2013 02:37PM

So An Taisce have upped their game from normally objecting to small extensions to houses, or boat races in in Galway Bay...:eek::eek:

slippy wicket · 08-12-2013 02:38PM

An taisce.
A bunch of self appointed gee bags who have no place trying to dictate how things are done here let alone in other countries.

MadsL · 08-12-2013 02:39PM

galwayrush wrote: »

So An Taisce have upped their game from normally objecting to small extensions to houses, or boat races in in Galway Bay...:eek::eek:

Bitter much? Was it your extension?

MadsL · 08-12-2013 02:40PM

slippy wicket wrote: »

An taisce.
A bunch of self appointed gee bags who have no place trying to dictate how things are done here let alone in other countries.

An Taisce use the exact same planning laws and system available to any other person. No-one is dictating anything.

The Diabolical Monocle · 08-12-2013 02:43PM

MadsL wrote: »

Nice rant. Almost entirely misinformed but nice rant anyway.

how so.

galwayrush · 08-12-2013 02:44PM

MadsL wrote: »

Bitter much? Was it your extension?

No, they seem to have an aversion to development in general, esp outside Dublin. Some so petty that it destroyed any credibility they had for genuine objections. I feel they have become a parody of themselves in recent years.

NoCrackHaving · 08-12-2013 02:44PM

Has no EIA or SEA been carried out for this development? Knowing how powerful the rural development lobby is in England in particular I find that suprising.

MadsL · 08-12-2013 02:46PM

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

how so.

Well for a start, they do very much live in the real world. a world they are trying to protect through sustainable environmental policies rather than the money driving nonsense that let to the boom and bust building practices of the Bertie years.

You have very short memory.

MadsL · 08-12-2013 02:48PM

galwayrush wrote: »

No, they seem to have an aversion to development in general, esp outside Dublin.

One-off development yes. Because it is a bad idea.

Some so petty that it destroyed any credibility they had for genuine objections. I feel they have become a parody of themselves in recent years.

For example?

An Taisce taking UK Govt to court.

An Taisce are... 96 votes

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