An Taisce taking UK Govt to court.

MadsL

An Taisce claim that the Irish people have not been consulted on the plans to build a nuclear power station in Somerset, 150 miles from the Irish coast.

They claim the UK acted unlawfully by failing to consult the Irish people.

They are not saying nuclear power is wrong or right but the consultation should have included those who live within 200 miles of it.

I'd see this as being a positive action, but the Irish Government have not given much support.

Right or Wrong AH?

kneemos

They're obviously against it if they're going to court.
Unless there's some EU legislation that can stop them building it I doubt the British Government could care less.

banquo

I'm a fan of nuclear power over the alternatives, but many aren't, and on an issue where many of the people in the danger zone [/Archer] would take issue with it they should absolutely be consulted.

I'd say fine, but my neighbours may not.

MadsL

kneemos wrote: »

They're obviously against it if they're going to court.
Unless there's some EU legislation that can stop them building it I doubt the British Government could care less.

Well you don't have to be "for" murder to defend a man accused of murder in court.

An Taisce do not have an official stance for or against nuclear.

TeddyTedson

MadsL wrote: »

An Taisce claim that the Irish people have not been consulted on the plans to build a nuclear power station in Somerset, 150 miles from the Irish coast.

They claim the UK acted unlawfully by failing to consult the Irish people.

They are not saying nuclear power is wrong or right but the consultation should have included those who live within 200 miles of it.

I'd see this as being a positive action, but the Irish Government have not given much support.

Right or Wrong AH?

Can't really be dictating to the neighbours now can we.

Cookie_Monster

why 200 miles, not 50 or 500. just because that's far enough so Ireland can get uppity?
None of our business what the UK is doing on UK soil, maybe if it was 5-10km north on the border in NI they'd have an argument, but not on mainland UK.

harryr711

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

why 200 miles, not 50 or 500. just because that's far enough so Ireland can get uppity?
None of our business what the UK is doing on UK soil, maybe if it was 5-10km north on the border in NI they'd have an argument, but not on mainland UK.

The UN say you're wrong.

harryr711

MadsL wrote: »

An Taisce claim that the Irish people have not been consulted on the plans to build a nuclear power station in Somerset, 150 miles from the Irish coast.

They claim the UK acted unlawfully by failing to consult the Irish people.

They are not saying nuclear power is wrong or right but the consultation should have included those who live within 200 miles of it.

I'd see this as being a positive action, but the Irish Government have not given much support.

Right or Wrong AH?

FG and Lab haven't given any support because they've known of the development and have ignored the requirement for a consultation with the Irish people regarding the environmental impact assessment (EIA) and the potential transboundary impacts of the development, totally disregarding the UN Convention on such nuclear developments.

Zamboni

Let them on.
If and when a time came that we were f*cked for energy they'd give us a dig out before anyone else.

UCDVet

This is why I don't like politics.

* Almost all of the UK is within 150 miles from an Irish coast.

* The UK already has dozen or so nuclear power-plants operating, most within 150 miles of an Irish coast.

* Finally, and most importantly....what the hell are we going to do about it? Write a strongly worded letter? Complain? Yeah, that's it. What a waste of time. The UK doesn't need our permission to build a plant, and we certainly can't stop them by force.

We sound like an unpopular girl in primary school upset that she was 'consulted' on someone else's plans for the weekend. I'd say the public announcements that have been all over the news is notification enough, and that's more than we're entitled to.

We aren't saying it's wrong to build a nuclear plant.
We're not saying we're against it....
We're just saying, we wanted to be 'consulted'.

:rolleyes:

Sure, sure, I'm sure there is some 1,000 page legal document that lots and lots of rich elected officials spent the better part of several years putting together that outlines the correct policy for opening a nuclear powerplant, but the rules within are just as trivial.

This is like me needing to consult my neighbour before getting a new sound system, but where he has no ability to impact my purchasing decision.

StudentDad

If we want a say in what happens in the UK on issues that have no impact on us good, bad or indifferent we can join the UK and then rail all we like against it through our MPs in Parliament. Until that extremely unlikely event arrives, what the UK govt. decides to do is none of our business.

Also, if it were such a terrible thing our ministers and MEP's would be hopping up and down at at European level. The media is very quiet on such matters tbh. No mention of hopping or strong language or indeed strongly worded letters in the last while.

SD

A classic Irish solution to an Irish problem, No nuclear power stations allowed to be built in Ireland but no problem in "importing" nuclear generated electricity from the UK!
Now they're complaining that the UK is trying to build sufficient generating capacity to replace the smoky coal power stations with new (French) nuclear ones.

harryr711

Zamboni wrote: »

Let them on.
If and when a time came that we were f*cked for energy they'd give us a dig out before anyone else.

A "dig out"? No. They'd sell us electricity for as high a price as they could get. Irrelevant anyway. There's a much greater chance of them being "****ed for energy" long before we will.

UCDVet wrote: »

This is why I don't like politics.

* Almost all of the UK is within 150 miles from an Irish coast.

* The UK already has dozen or so nuclear power-plants operating, most within 150 miles of an Irish coast.

* Finally, and most importantly....what the hell are we going to do about it? Write a strongly worded letter? Complain? Yeah, that's it. What a waste of time. The UK doesn't need our permission to build a plant, and we certainly can't stop them by force.

We sound like an unpopular girl in primary school upset that she was 'consulted' on someone else's plans for the weekend. I'd say the public announcements that have been all over the news is notification enough, and that's more than we're entitled to.

We aren't saying it's wrong to build a nuclear plant.
We're not saying we're against it....
We're just saying, we wanted to be 'consulted'.

:rolleyes:

Sure, sure, I'm sure there is some 1,000 page legal document that lots and lots of rich elected officials spent the better part of several years putting together that outlines the correct policy for opening a nuclear powerplant, but the rules within are just as trivial.

This is like me needing to consult my neighbour before getting a new sound system, but where he has no ability to impact my purchasing decision.

Public consultations and EIAs are standard practice for any power infrastructure project, whether it's nuclear, renewable, or whatever. Nuclear, because of the nature of it, has tighter regulation, and potential transboundary impacts must be assessed.

kerry4sam

I voted An Tasice were right to do this. It could set a real interesting precedent if they win this. I would trust An Taisce!

Linkie right here.

Conmaicne Mara

Can't stand An Taisce, up the Brits

UCDVet

harryr711 wrote: »

A "dig out"? No. They'd sell us electricity for as high a price as they could get. Irrelevant anyway. There's a much greater chance of them being "****ed for energy" long before we will.


Public consultations and EIAs are standard practice for any power infrastructure project, whether it's nuclear, renewable, or whatever. Nuclear, because of the nature of it, has tighter regulation, and potential transboundary impacts must be assessed.

Sounds very wishy-washy to me....

They don't have any legal requirement to comply with any of the requests made as a result of a consultation. So it seems equally silly to have a legal obligation to have consultations.

EDIT: Also, this....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-13438946

Sounds like the information regarding the new plant was available, but perhaps we didn't get a gold lettered invitation to review it? I dunno, but again, I don't see the point.

harryr711

UCDVet wrote: »

Sounds very wishy-washy to me....

They don't have any legal requirement to comply with any of the requests made as a result of a consultation. So it seems equally silly to have a legal obligation to have consultations.

EDIT: Also, this....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-13438946

Sounds like the information regarding the new plant was available, but perhaps we didn't get a gold lettered invitation to review it? I dunno, but again, I don't see the point.

It's not wishy-washy at all, it's standard industry practice. If I want to develop a power plant, say a wind farm, I have to have a public consultation, produce an EIA and an SIA, apply for planning permission with the local council, etc. It's all part of responsible development. There are no transnational issues with wind farms so consultations with other countries aren't required - that is the difference with nuclear.

MadsL

UCDVet wrote: »

This is like me needing to consult my neighbour before getting a new sound system, but where he has no ability to impact my purchasing decision.

You'd probably want a say however if your neighbour wanted to convert his land to a pig farm...

Birdnuts

I'd prefer if An Taisce take the UK to court over their plane to cover the irish midlands with giant useless windturbines due to their own citizens waking up to the scam that is wind energy.

MadsL

Birdnuts wrote: »

I'd prefer if An Taisce take the UK to court over their plane to cover the irish midlands with giant useless windturbines due to their own citizens waking up to the scam that is wind energy.

An Taisce have challenged {successfully} the placement of many wind projects.

The Diabolical Monocle

M'eh 150 miles/250km before Rosslare.
Oxford and the home counties and London are closer.

They'd never hurt anyone of value from the old boys club, so it must be perfectly safe.

Pedantic whinging, An taisce is just being a little queen as usual.
An taisce is just being petty as usual.
An taisce not living in the real world, too busy being a nit picking whinge bag as usual.
An taisce needs to stop being a pathetic obsessive wind bag that throws its toys if the t's aren't crossed and the i's aren't dotted.
I think an taisce suffers some form of ocd as a result of being rightly ignored.

MadsL

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

M'eh 150 miles/250km before Rosslare.
Oxford and the home counties and London are closer.

They'd never hurt anyone of value from the old boys club, so it must be perfectly safe.

Pedantic whinging, An taisce is just being a little queen as usual.
An taisce is just being petty as usual.
An taisce not living in the real world, too busy being a nit picking whinge bag as usual.
An taisce needs to stop being a pathetic obsessive wind bag that throws its toys if the t's aren't crossed and the i's aren't dotted.
I think an taisce suffers some form of ocd as a result of being rightly ignored.

Nice rant. Almost entirely misinformed but nice rant anyway.

galwayrush

So An Taisce have upped their game from normally objecting to small extensions to houses, or boat races in in Galway Bay...:eek::eek:

slippy wicket

An taisce.
A bunch of self appointed gee bags who have no place trying to dictate how things are done here let alone in other countries.

MadsL

galwayrush wrote: »

So An Taisce have upped their game from normally objecting to small extensions to houses, or boat races in in Galway Bay...:eek::eek:

Bitter much? Was it your extension?

MadsL

slippy wicket wrote: »

An taisce.
A bunch of self appointed gee bags who have no place trying to dictate how things are done here let alone in other countries.

An Taisce use the exact same planning laws and system available to any other person. No-one is dictating anything.

The Diabolical Monocle

MadsL wrote: »

Nice rant. Almost entirely misinformed but nice rant anyway.

how so.

galwayrush

MadsL wrote: »

Bitter much? Was it your extension?

No, they seem to have an aversion to development in general, esp outside Dublin. Some so petty that it destroyed any credibility they had for genuine objections. I feel they have become a parody of themselves in recent years.

NoCrackHaving

Has no EIA or SEA been carried out for this development? Knowing how powerful the rural development lobby is in England in particular I find that suprising.

MadsL

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

how so.

Well for a start, they do very much live in the real world. a world they are trying to protect through sustainable environmental policies rather than the money driving nonsense that let to the boom and bust building practices of the Bertie years.

You have very short memory.

MadsL

galwayrush wrote: »

No, they seem to have an aversion to development in general, esp outside Dublin.

One-off development yes. Because it is a bad idea.

Some so petty that it destroyed any credibility they had for genuine objections. I feel they have become a parody of themselves in recent years.

For example?

The Diabolical Monocle

MadsL wrote: »

Well for a start, they do very much live in the real world. a world they are trying to protect through sustainable environmental policies rather than the money driving nonsense that let to the boom and bust building practices of the Bertie years.

You have very short memory.

I dont think they do.
I think they're being needlessly obsessive, their time would probably be better spent elsewhere.

I dont see the connection between this and Bertie.

What has my memory got to do with anything.

MadsL

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

I dont think they do.
I think they're being needlessly obsessive, their time would probably be better spent elsewhere.

Where? They are an environmental and planning watchdog, and also a charity not a Govt body.

I dont see the connection between this and Bertie.

An Taisce were warning about excessive development all through the boom and where it would lead.

What has my memory got to do with anything.

Did you forget about the "Celtic Tiger?"

The Diabolical Monocle

MadsL wrote: »

Where? They are an environmental and planning watchdog, and also a charity not a Govt body.

Who said they were a govt body?

MadsL wrote: »

An Taisce were warning about excessive development all through the boom and where it would lead. "

So what. I once bet on a winning game ergo Im right

MadsL wrote: »

Did you forget about the "Celtic Tiger?"

No. I just didn't mention it cause it in no way is connected with a nuclear power station in England a decade later.

MadsL

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Who said they were a govt body?

Too many people.

So what. I once bet on a winning game ergo Im right

What are they wrong about? Because your rant is a bit thin on facts.

No. I just didn't mention it cause it in no way is connected with a nuclear power station in England a decade later.

An Taisce are the common theme...

The Diabolical Monocle

MadsL wrote: »

Too many people.

Was I one of them.

MadsL wrote: »

What are they wrong about? Because your rant is a bit thin on facts.

What does that even mean.

MadsL wrote: »

An Taisce are the common theme...

So what.


Just odd.

Capt'n Midnight

Meanwhile just 64 miles from Dublin

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-25211953

Building the £8bn Wylfa Newydd (New Wylfa) is subject to planning approval, a process expected to take three years.

mike65

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Meanwhile just 64 miles from Dublin

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-north-west-wales-25211953

Ha! Presumably An Taisce will be on to that next. Still if they want to waste their subscribers money its up to them.

MadsL

The Diabolical Monocle wrote: »

Was I one of them.

No I'll give you that.

What does that even mean.

It meant that your post had all the factual basis of reasoning along the lines of "they are meanies because I say so"

The Diabolical Monocle

MadsL wrote: »

No I'll give you that.



It meant that your post had all the factual basis of reasoning along the lines of "they are meanies because I say so"

I presented an opinion, didn't put it forward as fact.
Also the distance fact I did put forward was correct.

Jester252

I'm all for nuclear power and I think that An Taisce can be a bit of a busybody. However I agree with their course of action.

dd972

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

why 200 miles, not 50 or 500. just because that's far enough so Ireland can get uppity?
None of our business what the UK is doing on UK soil, maybe if it was 5-10km north on the border in NI they'd have an argument, but not on mainland UK.

Don't give them ideas now

Lapin

We should be inviting the private energy firms in the UK to build their nuclear plants here.

Then the ESB can go on strike to their hearts content.

Jester252

Lapin wrote: »

We should be inviting the private energy firms in the UK to build their nuclear plants here.

Then the ESB can go on strike to their hearts content.

Too bad the ESB union also included the ESB network workers. No distribution network might be a problem with your plan.

Lapin

Jester252 wrote: »

Too bad the ESB union also included the ESB network workers. No distribution network might be a problem with your plan.

My plan allows for the privatisation of the network and opening up the grid to competition.

Jester252

Lapin wrote: »

My plan allows for the privatisation of the network and opening up the grid to competition.

How does one achieve this by building a nuclear power plant?

Lapin

Jester252 wrote: »

How does one achieve this by building a nuclear power plant?

I'm not saying you achieve one simply by providing another.

I'd like to see both.

Jester252

Lapin wrote: »

I'm not saying you achieve one simply by providing another.

I'd like to see both.

Keep dreaming

Lapin

Jester252 wrote: »

Keep dreaming

Christ, whats with the smarmy responses from some people?

I only suggested that I'd like to see Ireland's energy distribution operate in a similar manner to that of the UK. Privatised and competitive.

I'm not calling for Nuclear power stations and reprocessing plants to be built on the outskirts of every town in the land FFS.

Why do some people feel the need to put other peoples posts down with their own pompous self righteous prickery?

Jester252

Lapin wrote: »

Christ, whats with the smarmy responses from some people?

I only suggested that I'd like to see Ireland's energy distribution operate in a similar manner to that of the UK. Privatised and competitive.

I'm not calling for Nuclear power stations and reprocessing plants to be built on the outskirts of every town in the land FFS.

Why do some people feel the need to put other peoples posts down with their own pompous self righteous prickery?

The British gird is not competitive, only one company own the grid it in any given area.
Its also illegal to produce nuclear power in Ireland.

harryr711

Lapin wrote: »

We should be inviting the private energy firms in the UK to build their nuclear plants here.

Then the ESB can go on strike to their hearts content.

Really? Private energy firms in the UK aren't the ones developing the nuclear power plants, EDF (France) are the developer of Hinkley Point.