The price of pints is too damn high

Jack Skellington · 07-12-2013 09:45PM

Beavishead wrote: »

The price of alcohol should go up. People should work more and consume less alcohol.

I'd say people consume so much because they work too much and too hard

hfallada · 07-12-2013 09:47PM

Im surprised no one is outraged at the price of cigarettes. Its now €9,50 for a packet of marlboro. Thats more than a hour of my wages. I almost died when I seen the person infront of me buying them yesterday.

kalych · 07-12-2013 09:48PM

Jack Skellington wrote: »

In that case I'd love to see some sort of special price for social hours like Friday and Saturday night, to entice the people who are otherwise having a few at home, that's what would get me out but as you say there's probably other factors, it's a shame anyway.

Happy hours have been made illegal by government legislation. Be it under lobby from the publicans or to fight binge drinking during these "social" hours, where a lot of people would all drink at the same time pressured to consume alcohol in a short designated "cheap drink" time period.

kryogen · 07-12-2013 09:53PM

There are reasons for high prices, high rates and rents being one. Water charges and other overheads also go into the price of the product. Its not actual as simple as Greedy publicans

Beavishead · 07-12-2013 09:54PM

I do not drink, smoke or do any illegal drugs. If more people were like me this would not be an issue.

Geuze · 07-12-2013 10:27PM

Rents are too high.

The rent on Quinn's pub in Drumcondra was 30,000 pm or 1,000 per day.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/landlord-locks-himself-in-bar-as-ibrc-swoops-on-indebted-pubs-28894967.html

These rents need to fall 90%.

Geuze · 07-12-2013 10:30PM

The brewers charge more in Ireland than elsewhere.

Guinness is made here, but sold into the Uk / NI at lower prices, as they have more competition.

The Aviva stadium catering case is well known:

http://www.noonecasey.ie/taxation-posts/news_roundup/drinking-in-the-aviva.html

893bet · 07-12-2013 10:31PM

Spore wrote: »

some pubs can have promotion pints at 2.50 for an entire night and still make a profit??

Who said they make a profit on that?

There is no pub that can do that longterm. It is impossible.

May be just barely feasible in the case of a small local pub who have zero costs (No loan, owner and wife do all the hours, no staff, no sports or racing subscription etc).

LordSutch · 07-12-2013 10:36PM

Geuze wrote: »

The brewers charge more in Ireland than elsewhere.

Guinness is made here, but sold into the Uk at lower prices, as they have more competition.

The Aviva stadium catering case is well known:

http://www.noonecasey.ie/taxation-posts/news_roundup/drinking-in-the-aviva.html

Very true, and I'm saying something similar in post #12.

Sleepy · 07-12-2013 10:47PM

If pints were cheaper I might be able to afford o go to the pub somewhat regularly. As it stands, I can only afford to go to a pub once in a blue moon.

Capt'n Midnight · 07-12-2013 10:55PM

Geuze wrote: »

The brewers charge more in Ireland than elsewhere.

Guinness is made here, but sold into the Uk / NI at lower prices, as they have more competition.

The Aviva stadium catering case is well known:

http://www.noonecasey.ie/taxation-posts/news_roundup/drinking-in-the-aviva.html

A 50l keg of Guinness costs publicans €131.66 but the ex-duty price of the same keg to the on-trade in the UK is €66 – a whopping 50% less. Even allowing for payment of Irish duty for re-importing a keg, this would rise to €99.33, which would still make it more than worthwhile for a large company like Compass to do so.

50L = 88 pints. At €99.33 that's €1.13 a pint. Add 21% VAT and it's €1.49

OK can't get 88 pints out of Guinness out of a keg but still....

Mocha Joe · 07-12-2013 11:03PM

Beavishead wrote: »

I do not drink, smoke or do any illegal drugs. If more people were like me this would not be an issue.

Jaysus I'd hate it if more people were like you.

Temptamperu · 07-12-2013 11:11PM

Nobody's forcing you to buy it.

drdeadlift · 07-12-2013 11:22PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

Nobody's forcing you to buy it.

But its still worth discussing.

catallus · 07-12-2013 11:24PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

Nobody's forcing you to buy it.

Capitalist Swine: always ensuring that the working man always has to pay as much as humanly possible for the things he needs to survive!

Benteke · 07-12-2013 11:28PM

Smokes €9.50 Pint €5.00+

We live in a nanny state, If you vote and it does not go the govs way they tell you to do it again until you get it right

You get more rights in North Korea at least the North Koreans are up front about it

djPSB · 07-12-2013 11:28PM

They need to close the price difference between buying alcohol in an off licence and buying it in a pub to meet somewhere in the middle. Buying alcohol in an off licence is too cheap at the minute, while the price of alcohol in a pub is ridiculous.

I'd be happy if the average can of beer cost €3 or so in an off licence and you could buy a pint in a pub for €3.50.

Ghost Buster · 07-12-2013 11:34PM

djPSB wrote: »

They need to close the price difference between buying alcohol in an off licence and buying it in a pub to meet somewhere in the middle. Buying alcohol in an off licence is too cheap at the minute, while the price of alcohol in a pub is ridiculous.

I'd be happy if the average can of beer cost €3 or so in an off licence and you could buy a pint in a pub for €3.50.

How can any consumer product be too cheap?

Seaneh · 07-12-2013 11:36PM

In Athlone a rake if bars are able to charge €11 for any 3 draught beers.

In Dublin you'd be lucky to get 2 for that price.

SV · 07-12-2013 11:37PM

djPSB wrote: »

They need to close the price difference between buying alcohol in an off licence and buying it in a pub to meet somewhere in the middle. Buying alcohol in an off licence is too cheap at the minute, while the price of alcohol in a pub is ridiculous.

I'd be happy if the average can of beer cost €3 or so in an off licence and you could buy a pint in a pub for €3.50.

It is not too cheap! When I was in Amsterdam you could buy 1l of Absolut Vodka for €15 in some off licenses.

beano345 · 07-12-2013 11:41PM

djPSB wrote: »

They need to close the price difference between buying alcohol in an off licence and buying it in a pub to meet somewhere in the middle. Buying alcohol in an off licence is too cheap at the minute, while the price of alcohol in a pub is ridiculous.

I'd be happy if the average can of beer cost €3 or so in an off licence and you could buy a pint in a pub for €3.50.

Alcohol in supermarkets is nearly at wholesale prices, bulmers are doing 6 cans for a tenner multipacks if bought individually its a big difference plus the 20 bottle case of bud miller etc you can get for fcuk all in tesco think they were doing specials at 15 euro for 20 bottles at some stage what's a bottle cost In a pub? 5 euro?

maryishere · 07-12-2013 11:42PM

Mars Bar wrote: »

I paid £1.50 for a pint of Bud in a bowling alley in Preston on Thursday night. I was nearly crying in to it with happiness for having such a cheap pint and in despair for how badly we're ripped off over here.

the tax take alone here on a pint between all the various taxes must be a lot more than the whole pint costs in England. What does our government do with all these taxes?

catallus · 07-12-2013 11:43PM

I picked up 200mls of liqueur in an offie for €9.99.

In a pub a 35ml shot would cost €4.50, minimum.

So 5.7 ish shots in 200ml bottle. Let's say 5.

So €22.50 for 200mls in a pub, €9.99 in an offie.

How can this level of margin be justified? Without saying fcuk you, buy it and shut up.

Cienciano · 07-12-2013 11:57PM

Stop going to the pubs if it's too bloody expensive. It's the only way the publican will learn.
And never mind pints, the price of soft drinks and spirits are a disgrace.

zl1whqvjs75cdy · 08-12-2013 12:01AM

Haven't been to a pub bar a birthday event in years. It's a shame I really enjoy the pub with my mates buts it's just too expensive. Publicans either seem oblivious or just don't give a ****.

Capt'n Midnight · 08-12-2013 12:06AM

djPSB wrote: »

They need to close the price difference between buying alcohol in an off licence and buying it in a pub to meet somewhere in the middle. Buying alcohol in an off licence is too cheap at the minute, while the price of alcohol in a pub is ridiculous.

You do realise that you pay the same VAT and excise duty in the off license as in the pub.

Aldi will sell you 6L of Galahad 3.9% for €9.49 ( and up to 20% less if you use the coupons ) Same alcohol content as 10 pints of 4.2% Guinness to give you an idea of how much of the price in a pub isn't made up of tax or producing the product.
You could argue that Guinness costs more to make but I'd point out that Aldi have much higher transport and packaging costs and make a profit.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/pub-sales-fall-as-people-switch-to-drinking-at-home-191981.html

DIGI chairman Kieran Tobin said the bar trade was now operating at only 70% of its 2007 levels, which had marked a peak of the market

http://www.irishhealth.com/article.html?id=19880

Drinking at home ‘now constitutes more than 50% of alcohol consumption in Ireland, up from 30% a few years ago'.

up for anything · 08-12-2013 12:11AM

Spore wrote: »

The pub is the cornerstone of our society

That's why our society has gone to the dogs!

Capt'n Midnight · 08-12-2013 12:31AM

SV wrote: »

It is not too cheap! When I was in Amsterdam you could buy 1l of Absolut Vodka for €15 in some off licenses.

Shop around and you could probably get 95% alcohol for that price.

LordSutch · 08-12-2013 01:02AM

catallus wrote: »

I picked up 200mls of liqueur in an offie for €9.99.

What the hell is Liqueur in this context? you mean like Liqueurs or Port, or what?

Geuze · 08-12-2013 01:15AM

maryishere wrote: »

the tax take alone here on a pint between all the various taxes must be a lot more than the whole pint costs in England. What does our government do with all these taxes?

Note that beer duty was higher in the UK, and lower in Ireland, at least until the Budget.

It's the brewers, not the excise duty.

The price of pints is too damn high

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