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Home Defence

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,561 ✭✭✭Rhyme


    I walk around my house naked so that's two weapons I'm equipped with.

    The second weapon of course being 'disgust'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,324 ✭✭✭BillyMitchel


    Seachmall wrote: »
    Your dog isn't a psychic. It can't tell the intent of someone entering your house, nor does it have a checklist of acceptable ways to enter your house.

    If it attacks a burglar it's just a likely to attack a neighbour.


    If your dog isn't attacking everyone who sets foot in your house your dog isn't going to maul a burglar. Simple as.


    There's a reason people charge a fortune to teach dogs how to react accordingly to unwanted guests: dogs can't differentiate between friend and foe instinctively ("burglar" is a human concept we've yet to explain to dogs). They need to be taught when to respond and when not to respond (and how to respond for that matter).

    Agreed to a certain point. I'd say its 80% or higher of pet dogs that will not attack. Might bark and raise the alarm but thats it. Been around working dogs for 20+ years at this stage and people have this notion that certain breeds can just be bought and they'll keep a thief out but nothing could be further from the truth unless the breed is a CAO or Caussian Shepard!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,277 ✭✭✭DamagedTrax


    Seachmall wrote: »
    Your dog isn't a psychic. It can't tell the intent of someone entering your house, nor does it have a checklist of acceptable ways to enter your house.

    If it attacks a burglar it's just a likely to attack a neighbour.


    If your dog isn't attacking everyone who sets foot in your house your dog isn't going to maul a burglar. Simple as.


    There's a reason people charge a fortune to teach dogs how to react accordingly to unwanted guests: dogs can't differentiate between friend and foe instinctively ("burglar" is a human concept we've yet to explain to dogs). They need to be taught when to respond and when not to respond (and how to respond for that matter).

    i agree with you to a point. BUT in certain situations a dogs instinct will take over from any training (or lack of).

    if someone broke into my home when i wasnt there, im pretty sure my staffie would roll over for belly tickles. same as most working breeds besides some trained 'man stoppers'.

    but if i am in danger, that changes. we have experienced a situation before where there was aggression towards me while just outside my place, she got between me and the aggressor and made it perfectly clear she was ready to attack. luckily i had her on a close lead. she had never shown aggression to any human before or since but i know if someone put her family in danger then we can rely on her to protect us.

    if you want a guard dog as home protection, then you need to get it trained and you need to be involved with that training. but when it comes to the crunch even a good untrained dog will defend their master to the end (although probably not your empty home).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    A 12 foot wall with a 6 foot moat behind it would be the most effective no?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 317 ✭✭hedgehog2


    When I lived in Michigan I had one of these in the wardrobe.(legally held)
    sks4et2.jpg
    Now back in Ireland nothing so fancy except for an ole alarm and a golf club.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,324 ✭✭✭BillyMitchel


    hedgehog2 wrote: »
    When I lived in Michigan I had one of these in the wardrobe.(legally held)
    sks4et2.jpg
    Now back in Ireland nothing so fancy except for an ole alarm and a golf club.

    Murica

    Fock yeah!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 317 ✭✭hedgehog2


    Murica

    Fock yeah!!
    Ha Ha
    It was a lot easier pre 9-11 to hold stuff like this in the house,my roommate had a glock and a military shotgun.
    Always kept it loaded,never killed an animal with it but the odd Sunday we would head to the woods just blasting buckets for target practice and nurse off the hangover.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭MonstaMash


    My boy Kaya is a great early warning system & no doubt very territorial & protective of me especially...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭Rasheed


    MonstaMash wrote: »
    My boy Kaya is a great early warning system & no doubt very territorial & protective of me especially...

    He's beautiful, what is he?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,820 ✭✭✭Sir Osis of Liver.


    This might be helpful to someone


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭MonstaMash


    Rasheed wrote: »
    He's beautiful, what is he?
    Japanese Akita


  • Posts: 6,321 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MonstaMash wrote: »
    Japanese Akita

    Beautiful dog.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Seachmall wrote: »
    Your dog isn't a psychic. It can't tell the intent of someone entering your house, nor does it have a checklist of acceptable ways to enter your house.

    If it attacks a burglar it's just a likely to attack a neighbour.


    If your dog isn't attacking everyone who sets foot in your house your dog isn't going to maul a burglar. Simple as.


    There's a reason people charge a fortune to teach dogs how to react accordingly to unwanted guests: dogs can't differentiate between friend and foe instinctively ("burglar" is a human concept we've yet to explain to dogs). They need to be taught when to respond and when not to respond (and how to respond for that matter).

    You're right in some ways. I guess there's no real way of knowing exactly how my dog (Border Collie / German Shepard cross) would react to someone breaking into my home, but he is very protective of me. I've had experience of this in the past, when some traveller folk decided to pull into the back of my house in a van and have a look around. I went out to see what they were at and they got a bit shouty and confrontational with me. One of them went to get out of the van looking somewhat threatening and my dog immediately went for him. Your man just hopped straight back into the van before he got to him though.

    Anyway, my dog isn't vicious whatsoever towards people when they're in the house. He does go mental barking when any car is parked outside and left running though, or when people call to the door. Once he knows they're not a threat then he's really timid.

    I don't agree with your assertion that if he was to attack an intruder then he'd be just as likely to attack a neighbour. That's really oversimplifying things imo. It's about whether or not a perceived threat exists. He'd have no reason to see my neighbours or friends etc as a threat in that way because I'd be the on inviting them into the house. Anywho, his barking alone would more than likely make anyone think twice about breaking in... he sounds like a much bigger dog than he actually is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,324 ✭✭✭BillyMitchel


    hedgehog2 wrote: »
    Ha Ha
    It was a lot easier pre 9-11 to hold stuff like this in the house,my roommate had a glock and a military shotgun.
    Always kept it loaded,never killed an animal with it but the odd Sunday we would head to the woods just blasting buckets for target practice and nurse off the hangover.

    And how much would an assault rifle like that cost?

    Man I'd be terrified of leaving something like that around. Come home pissed and think I'm Rambo running around the streets of Dublin looking for The Predator!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭MonstaMash


    And how much would an assault rifle like that cost?
    Depending on condition & location US, anywhere between $400-$1800


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,324 ✭✭✭BillyMitchel


    MonstaMash wrote: »
    Depending on condition & location US, anywhere between $400-$800

    That's like 250 - 600 euro??

    When I was in America I fired a gloch. Absolutely crapping myself as soon as a live fire arm was put in my hands! It's an unusual experience.

    Edit: just seen the 1 before the 8.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭MonstaMash




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Beretta Double Barrell, hopefully the situation will never arise that I have to fire at someone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,387 ✭✭✭eisenberg1


    The Santa/Xmas music that's been blasted all over the place....will keep anyone away


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭The Diabolical Monocle



    Right now I have a selection of weights at the top of the stairs, which I could probably lob at anyone on their way up.

    Being higher up is always an advantage.


    Replace them with barrels and you can be donkey kong.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Beretta Double Barrell, hopefully the situation will never arise that I have to fire at someone.

    Serious question but can't you lose or be refused a firearms licence for hinting that you'd use it for personal protection?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,071 ✭✭✭keithsfleet


    Crossbow + nakedness.

    Nothing more intimidating


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭MonstaMash


    Serious question but can't you lose or be refused a firearms licence for hinting that you'd use it for personal protection?
    No one hinting here...nothing to see here sir...move along now :D;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    moxin wrote: »
    All those baseball bats, do any of ye actually play baseball? :)

    Been told by a London Cop that you should have the balls or other playing equipment to go with the bats & or sticks, it's illegal otherwise :rolleyes:

    A gang of youths attacked our house & tried to smash the front door, to be met with me waving a goalkeepers Hurl & chasing them back down the street. :D

    Cops arrived & were considering arresting me until I showed them the hurling balls. :rolleyes:

    I did also have a cricket bat & a pair of golf clubs somewhere in the house, my old dad found them somewhere local, but got rid of those as I didn't have the balls, plus they could cause serious harm, more so than a Hurl :eek:

    At the end of the day you just want to frighten an intruder, not kill him!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 317 ✭✭hedgehog2


    And how much would an assault rifle like that cost?

    Man I'd be terrified of leaving something like that around. Come home pissed and think I'm Rambo running around the streets of Dublin looking for The Predator!
    I paid $700 dollars for it back in 2000,she was second hand but in perfect condition.
    Left it to my friend as a gift as there was no way I could take it back to Ireland,I could`nt see my local station giving me a firearms cert for that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭MonstaMash


    Been told by a London Cop that you should have the balls or other playing equipment to go with the bats & or sticks, it's illegal otherwise :rolleyes:

    At the end of the day you just want to frighten an intruder, not kill him!!!
    Excellent point re., balls...duly noted.

    Speak for yourself...someone intrudes on/in my property &...'I was in fear for the lives of my family & felt I used reasonable force as a deterent until the intruder attacked me & left me no option Justice' ;) :eek:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    Serious question but can't you lose or be refused a firearms licence for hinting that you'd use it for personal protection?

    If at the licensing application stage you mention or hint that it's your intention to use it for security you will be refused.

    You either need to be a member of a shooting club or have written permission from two landowners to shoot on thier land.


    Superintendents and firearms officers vary from place to place and may well refuse an application if they feel the firearms aren't secure. For example I heard of a guy who was refused because he lived in sherrif st flats even though he was a member of a gun club they didn't want a firearm being held at his home.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭MonstaMash


    chopper6 wrote: »
    If at the licensing application stage you mention or hint that it's your intention to use it for security you will be refused.

    You either need to be a member of a shooting club or have written permission from two landowners to shoot on thier land.


    Superintendents and firearms officers vary from place to place and may well refuse an application if they feel the firearms aren't secure. For example I heard of a guy who was refused because he lived in sherrif st flats even though he was a member of a gun club they didn't want a firearm being held at his home.
    Lockable gun safe, fixed base & bolted to the wall is your only man...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    MonstaMash wrote: »
    Lockable gun safe, fixed base & bolted to the wall is your only man...


    It's also compulsory and cops can call around any time to inspect it


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    Cops arrived & were considering arresting me until I showed them the hurling balls

    Sliotar, ya mean.

    Arrest this man!


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