Why are Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, RTE & the Independent obsessed with Sinn Féin?

Annasopra · 05-12-2013 10:01AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Shatter could nearly be a member of the DUP he is so far over on that side of things with his opinions and comments.

Em Alan Shatter is a social liberal; he's pro choice, pro gay marriage and adoption. You could not get further away from DUP.

Banjo String · 05-12-2013 10:05AM

Phoebas wrote: »

tl;dr: Anyone that doesn't share your analysis is just a puppet; a victim of propaganda.

How did you arrive at that conclusion without reading it

golfball37 · 05-12-2013 10:43AM

What I find most puzzling is that there is at least 30% of the population who won't touch SF with a barge pole no matter what they do. All the coverage and obsession with them is just playing to this minority who don't need to be convinced of their badness.

DexyDrain · 05-12-2013 12:29PM

I guess it's partly the stench of death, blood and broken bones off them and partly exasperation at their nutty economic worldview. It's like listening to the playground talk back in primary school 'yeah, we'll make the teachers do all the homework and see how they like it. And we'll make Mars bars and Mr. Freeze compulsory for lunch, and we'll get everyone who gets an A in the exams to hand over their answers and then we'll have a whole school exam so we all get the same marks, then we'll barricade the school gates....'

.jacksparrow. · 05-12-2013 12:40PM

DexyDrain wrote: »

I guess it's partly the stench of death, blood and broken bones off them and partly exasperation at their nutty economic worldview. It's like listening to the playground talk back in primary school 'yeah, we'll make the teachers do all the homework and see how they like it. And we'll make Mars bars and Mr. Freeze compulsory for lunch, and we'll get everyone who gets an A in the exams to hand over their answers and then we'll have a whole school exam so we all get the same marks, then we'll barricade the school gates....'

But its not really like that at all is it?

Mr.McLovin · 05-12-2013 12:52PM

They're obsessed with Sinn Fein as they are easy targets.

Sinn Fein get something right or condemn some stupid policy or government fcuk up the retort will always be shut up your terrorists and murders basically, creditability flushed down the jacks and everything gets reflected on to this. Like another poster said maybe its time the old guard passes on...

.jacksparrow. · 05-12-2013 01:02PM

Its hypocricy of the highest order.

Few weeks ago we had former justice minister mcdowell criticizing Sinn Fein for their past, then he appears on a programme about his cousins who were in the Ira and how he was proud and understood why they went out and killed a group of British soldiers during the tan war.

Please tell me the difference.

LordSutch · 05-12-2013 01:05PM

Mr.McLovin wrote: »

They're obsessed with Sinn Fein as they are easy targets.

Sinn Fein get something right or condemn some stupid policy or government fcuk up the retort will always be shut up your terrorists and murders basically, creditability flushed down the jacks and everything gets reflected on to this. Like another poster said maybe its time the old guard passes on...

As a self confessed hater of the bearded one (and Sinn Fein generally), I would have to agree that if they let the old "whiff of sulphur" guard go (Adams, Ferris, etc) + all of those with blood on their hands, then they would become not soo repulsive to so many of the electorate in the south. Even I might look at one of their leaflets (and read it) instead of tearing it up as soon as it comes through the letter box.

Sunnyisland · 05-12-2013 01:23PM

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Its hypocricy of the highest order.

Few weeks ago we had former justice minister mcdowell criticizing Sinn Fein for their past, then he appears on a programme about his cousins who were in the Ira and how he was proud and understood why they went out and killed a group of British soldiers during the tan war.

Please tell me the difference.

The difference is they shot people with guns and the Provos shot people with with with and and and did the same.

Sunnyisland · 05-12-2013 01:27PM

golfball37 wrote: »

What I find most puzzling is that there is at least 30% of the population who won't touch SF with a barge pole no matter what they do. All the coverage and obsession with them is just playing to this minority who don't need to be convinced of their badness.

It keeps a lot of the people sidetracked in what SF did or did not then have the people actually question FG FF & Lab,and it sells papers.

Zebra3 · 05-12-2013 01:58PM

IrishProd wrote: »

Why are Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, RTE & the Independent obsessed with Sinn Féin?

Especially Micheal Martin, Niall Collins, Brian Hayes and Alan Shatter?

Why? Anytime economic issues or political issues that are relevant are in the media somehow it is always turned into a Sinn Féin or Gerry Adams bashfest.

Has anyone else noticed? Is it smearing? All I have read in the papers and listened from RTE for over the last 3 months is how bad Sinn Féin and Gerry Adams are? Is it because Sinn Féin are a threat to the status quo and their past is just used as a smokescreen to vilify them in order to scare voters into voting for the usual gombeens?

FF, and FG (as well as Labour) are happy to constantly harp on about SF/IRA/Adams because it deflects from the fact that all the time those three parties have been in power, a massive terrorist organisation (the Catholic Church) had the freedom for its members to rape Irish children. Even to this day members of the Catholic Church who facilitated and covered up the rape of children are not prosecuted. The taxpayer has also footed the bill for many of their crimes. And the church, despite its crimes against Irish people, is still allowed to operate in this state and spread its cultish lies.

As for the usual crap out of people on here about SF's economic policies (and I don't agree with a lot of them either), FF and FG's policies of No Bondholder Left Behind is working out too well, is it? Amazing that working class people vote for those parties who simply look after the elite while the working class face emigration, unemployment, austerity and choices between heating their homes or eating.

As for RTE, it isn't going to attack the establishment. It's part of it. and if it does, FF/FG will simply threaten to cut the licence fee. That'll whip RTE back in place fairly sharpish.

The Indo too is a tool of the establishment, owned by the wealthy and takes advertising revenue from the wealthy.

If ever in doubt, follow the money trail.....

Wolf Club · 05-12-2013 02:48PM

I'd vote for Sinn Fein over Fianna Fail or Fine Gael, the same way that I'd take a punch in the arm over a kick in the balls or a bat to the face. The reason Martin, Shatter, etc are so critical of them is because they realise how unpopular and out of touch all of the other parties are that they're trying to nip SF's chances of credibility in the bud by bringing up their past.

IrishProd · 05-12-2013 07:45PM

It really is nauseous how the state media is infested with Fianna Fáil supporters and how they push their anti-republican/nationalist agenda. Eoghan Harris and the stickies took it over completely. Listening to Micheal Martin and his revisionist nonsense it is incredible that they still call themselves the republican party, I often wonder that if they are any remaining republicans and nationalists remaining in Fianna Fáíl how do they feel about their current leader and the direction the party is going. People want to see a FF/SF coalition, but Micheal Martin and Niall Collins hypocritically and venomously attack SF at every given opportunity. The membership of SF vote at a Special Ard Fheis if they want to go into coalition if asked, I would not be surprised if the SF membership tell Fianna Fáil to go stuff their coalition.

dxhound2005 · 05-12-2013 07:59PM

IrishProd wrote: »

It really is nauseous how the state media is infested with Fianna Fáil supporters and how they push their anti-republican/nationalist agenda. Eoghan Harris and the stickies took it over completely. Listening to Micheal Martin and his revisionist nonsense it is incredible that they still call themselves the republican party, I often wonder that if they are any remaining republicans and nationalists remaining in Fianna Fáíl how do they feel about their current leader and the direction the party is going. People want to see a FF/SF coalition, but Micheal Martin and Niall Collins hypocritically and venomously attack SF at every given opportunity. The membership of SF vote at a Special Ard Fheis if they want to go into coalition if asked, I would not be surprised if the SF membership tell Fianna Fáil to go stuff their coalition.

They got over their distaste for the DUP when they wanted power. Some Republican party. And of course they continued to implement all the policies which they condemned when the SDLP/UUP were in power. Cue SF continuing with property tax here if they get in.

IrishProd · 05-12-2013 08:05PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

They got over their distaste for the DUP when they wanted power. Some Republican party.

So you would rather them abandon the peace process? But then again I suppose there are people like yourself down here that would love to see that, Micheal Martin & the Independent and their supporters would cream themselves with all the potential opportunities for political point-scoring just to get votes.

Regarding your false assertion about policies, that was already corrected and pointed out earlier in the thread.

porsche959 · 05-12-2013 08:09PM

IrishProd wrote: »

So you would rather them abandon the peace process? But then again I suppose there are people like yourself down here that would love to see that, Micheal Martin & the Independent and their supporters would cream themselves with all the potential opportunities for political point-scoring just to get votes.

Regarding your false assertion about policies, that was already corrected and pointed out earlier in the thread.

For all that people give out about FF and Bertie, if John Brutal was left in charge in 1997 the peace process would probably be dead in the water or at best in its infancy.

dxhound2005 · 05-12-2013 08:23PM

IrishProd wrote: »

So you would rather them abandon the peace process? But then again I suppose there are people like yourself down here that would love to see that, Micheal Martin & the Independent and their supporters would cream themselves with all the potential opportunities for political point-scoring just to get votes.

Regarding your false assertion about policies, that was already corrected and pointed out earlier in the thread.

Why would the peace process depend on SF being in government. If they had continued in opposition the peace process would have been fine as long as the IRA didn't resume bombing and shooting.

I never said anything about SF policies earlier.

IrishProd · 05-12-2013 08:57PM

porsche959 wrote: »

For all that people give out about FF and Bertie, if John Brutal was left in charge in 1997 the peace process would probably be dead in the water or at best in its infancy.

If Micheal Martin was in charge back then it would also be dead in the water.

Santa Cruz · 05-12-2013 09:02PM

IrishProd wrote: »

It really is nauseous how the state media is infested with Fianna Fáil supporters and how they push their anti-republican/nationalist agenda. Eoghan Harris and the stickies took it over completely. Listening to Micheal Martin and his revisionist nonsense it is incredible that they still call themselves the republican party, I often wonder that if they are any remaining republicans and nationalists remaining in Fianna Fáíl how do they feel about their current leader and the direction the party is going. People want to see a FF/SF coalition, but Micheal Martin and Niall Collins hypocritically and venomously attack SF at every given opportunity. The membership of SF vote at a Special Ard Fheis if they want to go into coalition if asked, I would not be surprised if the SF membership tell Fianna Fáil to go stuff their coalition.

The membership of SF will do what they are told by their bosses and don't be fooling yourself that it will be otherwise.

boobar · 05-12-2013 09:15PM

Because Sinn Fein are "amazeballs"

road_high · 05-12-2013 09:19PM

porsche959 wrote: »

For all that people give out about FF and Bertie, if John Brutal was left in charge in 1997 the peace process would probably be dead in the water or at best in its infancy.

Rubbish, the Peace Process was well on it's way by the time that glory seeker and his ilk came to power. The real foundations were laid early to mid90s, with a mix of FG,FF Labour govts.
Bertie snivelled his way onto the scene at the tail end of things and propaganda was used nicely to paint "our dear leader" Bertie as some sort of king-pin peace negiotater that did it all himself. A ridiculous notion if ever there was one.

sabat · 05-12-2013 09:51PM

It's because Sinn Féin/IRA have been treated with kid gloves up until now by the media and politicians down here so as not to endanger the peace process. When the people of the republic were polled on that question they had no idea that by voting yes somewhere along the line it might result in a foreign murderer as a potential taoiseach. So Sinn Féin and their supporters have zero reason to complain because if they had been held up to the same standards as all the other parties all along they'd still be polling 9% in a few sink estates in West Dublin.

Nodin · 05-12-2013 09:55PM

sabat wrote: »

It's because Sinn Féin/IRA have been treated with kid gloves up until now by the media and politicians down here so as not to endanger the peace process. When the people of the republic were polled on that question they had no idea that by voting yes somewhere along the line it might result in a foreign murderer as a potential taoiseach. So Sinn Féin and their supporters have zero reason to complain because if they had been held up to the same standards as all the other parties all along they'd still be polling 9% in a few sink estates in West Dublin.

What's a "sink" estate?

sabat · 05-12-2013 10:00PM

It would have been faster to copy the phrase into google than ask me.

Fred Swanson · 05-12-2013 10:03PM

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moxin · 05-12-2013 10:48PM

sabat wrote: »

When the people of the republic were polled on that question they had no idea that by voting yes somewhere along the line it might result in a foreign murderer as a potential taoiseach.

Guess you're a subversive then as you didn't recognise our past "foreign" President Mary McAleese.

banquo · 05-12-2013 11:18PM

Because SF spout populist nonsense with the blithe assurance that they won't have to actually govern in the next government. But their empty "free sandwiches etc" promises drag the public discourse closer to the fantasy side of politics than is possible for any political party - or anyone - to achieve.

NoCrackHaving · 05-12-2013 11:26PM

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Maybe in the 80's, there's a lot worse places to live in Dublin than Ballymun these days.

Nodin · 05-12-2013 11:39PM

sabat wrote: »

It would have been faster to copy the phrase into google than ask me.

"A sink estate is a British council housing estate characterised by high levels of economic and social deprivation. Such estates are not always high crime areas although there is a strong correlation between crime rates and sink estates in large urban areas."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sink_estate
It would appear you anticipate an expansion of the SF vote.

Fred Swanson · 05-12-2013 11:43PM

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Why are Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, RTE & the Independent obsessed with Sinn Féin?

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