Why are Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, RTE & the Independent obsessed with Sinn Féin?

IrishProd · 05-12-2013 01:33AM #1

Why are Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, RTE & the Independent obsessed with Sinn Féin?

Especially Micheal Martin, Niall Collins, Brian Hayes and Alan Shatter?

Why? Anytime economic issues or political issues that are relevant are in the media somehow it is always turned into a Sinn Féin or Gerry Adams bashfest.

Has anyone else noticed? Is it smearing? All I have read in the papers and listened from RTE for over the last 3 months is how bad Sinn Féin and Gerry Adams are? Is it because Sinn Féin are a threat to the status quo and their past is just used as a smokescreen to vilify them in order to scare voters into voting for the usual gombeens?

shamrock55 · 05-12-2013 01:34AM

Because they are affraid

coolhull · 05-12-2013 01:35AM

IrishProd wrote: »

Why are Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, RTE & the Independent obsessed with Sinn Féin?

Especially Micheal Martin, Niall Collins, Brian Hayes and Alan Shatter?

Why? Anytime economic issues or political issues that are relevant are in the media somehow it is always turned into a Sinn Féin or Gerry Adams bashfest.

Has anyone else noticed?

The problem is, my cat knows more about economics than SF

D1stant · 05-12-2013 01:37AM

Is it because they cant be arsed doing anything else?

Jamie2k9 · 05-12-2013 01:37AM

It's Micheal Martin that takes every chance to have a dig whenever and wherever possible.

Paulie Gualtieri · 05-12-2013 01:38AM

The reason is they don't want Sinn Fein to get into power. EVER!

Jamie2k9 · 05-12-2013 01:39AM

Paulie Gualtieri wrote: »

The reason is they don't want Sinn Fein to get into power. EVER!

Would you?

There policy is to do the exact opposite to what they do in the North done South.

A property tax is fine for SF in the North but its not done here.

Less of the double standards.....

shamrock55 · 05-12-2013 01:40AM

coolhull wrote: »

The problem is, my cat knows more about economics than SF

Is your cat ff or fg

emo72 · 05-12-2013 01:41AM

They told the unionists to accept them and get on with them. Which is logical. Therefore we should do the same down here.

Except they assumed they would never have a chance down here, but the major mainstream parties have been so abysmal that SF are starting to look like a decent alternative. And that's it. SF are next.

IrishProd · 05-12-2013 01:42AM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Would you?

They policy is to do the exact opposite to what they do in the North done South.

A property tax is fine for SF in the North but its not done here.

There is no such thing as a property tax, they have household rates, that is means tested and covers all essential household services (waste collection, water, etc)

Westminister dictates fiscal policy and tax measures, Stormont has no such powers.

Galwayguy35 · 05-12-2013 01:47AM

IrishProd wrote: »

Why are Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, RTE & the Independent obsessed with Sinn Féin?

Especially Micheal Martin, Niall Collins, Brian Hayes and Alan Shatter?

Why? Anytime economic issues or political issues that are relevant are in the media somehow it is always turned into a Sinn Féin or Gerry Adams bashfest.

Has anyone else noticed? Is it smearing? All I have read in the papers and listened from RTE for over the last 3 months is how bad Sinn Féin and Gerry Adams are? Is it because Sinn Féin are a threat to the status quo and their past is just used as a smokescreen to vilify them in order to scare voters into voting for the usual gombeens?

Shatter could nearly be a member of the DUP he is so far over on that side of things with his opinions and comments.

FF are just trying to get some votes back from SF, but despite all the comments I think SF will do well in the next election because their TDs and councillers work their arses off in the working class communities where they are based.

Jamie2k9 · 05-12-2013 01:47AM

IrishProd wrote: »

There is no such thing as a property tax, they have household rates, that is means tested and covers all essential household services (waste collection, water, etc)

Westminister dictates fiscal policy and tax measures, Stormont has no such powers.

yes because all area's in NI are full of local services and whatever way you dress it up its much more expensive than down here in the South all in all. It's SF being very two faced, why don't they support a blanket household rate done here instead of the LPT and all other charges?

Jamie2k9 · 05-12-2013 01:53AM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Shatter could nearly be a member of the DUP he is so far over on that side of things with his opinions and comments.

FF are just trying to get some votes back from SF, but despite all the comments I think SF will do well in the next election because their TDs and councillers work their arses off in the working class communities where they are based.

They might do well but won't be in power.

I expect the next Gov will be a FG-Independents or FF-Independents. Know us "Irish" half of use will completely forget about FF and what they caused and they will have the majority again. There is no other choices left.

Galwayguy35 · 05-12-2013 01:59AM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

They might do well but won't be in power.

I expect the next Gov will be a FG-Independents or FF-Independents. Know us "Irish" half of use will completely forget about FF and what they caused and they will have the majority again.

Being honest I agree they won't be in power, and I'm sure some of them were cringing when Gerry made his speech earlier on in the Dail, none of them would be prepared to give him the heave though even though privately some might want this to happen.

catallus · 05-12-2013 02:04AM

A more salient (and sapient) question would be "Why are RTE obsessed with Fianna Fail and Micheal Martin?"

This goes for Newstalk too. And the major papers.

Mint Aero · 05-12-2013 02:11AM

Because it's porn to them. Fg, ff and rte loooove jizzing in a circle to sf dirt talk

Galwayguy35 · 05-12-2013 02:17AM

Mint Aero wrote: »

Because it's porn to them. Fg, ff and rte loooove jizzing in a circle to sf dirt talk

It would be in the "party" catagory so.

[-0-] · 05-12-2013 02:45AM

It is all part of the Free State spinster machine.

They're afraid of how much support Sinn Fein has received in the past few years.

[-0-] · 05-12-2013 02:45AM

It is all part of the Free State spinster machine.

They're afraid of how much support Sinn Fein has received in the past few years.

dxhound2005 · 05-12-2013 02:56AM

IrishProd wrote: »

There is no such thing as a property tax, they have household rates, that is means tested and covers all essential household services (waste collection, water, etc)

Westminister dictates fiscal policy and tax measures, Stormont has no such powers.

There is such a thing as a property tax. Unless you know better than the people appointed to collect it. And where did you get the idea that NI domestic rates (property tax) funds water services?

http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/index/information-and-services/property-and-housing/rates/your-rate-bill/what-are-rates.htm

What are rates?

Rates are a property tax based on the valuation of your home. The income from rates provides funding for services at both local (your council) and regional (NI Assembly) levels.

The Golden Miller · 05-12-2013 03:19AM

The media has a lot to answer for here in the south with their anti-nationalist agenda. It's nothing new, and has been like this for the past 15 years or so. You can see the influence daily even on this website. 20 years ago do you think half the population would be looking at everything from the British perspective, apologising for their actions here and distracting any British wrong doing from the point with their IRA whataboutary? Even the current IRA-Garda "collusion" story shows this. Such a big deal made out of it. Yet recent stories have come out, of drive-by shootings at random Irish nationalists in the north by members of the British security forces and it hardly gets a mention.

There's an agenda against nationalism in our media. Just look up Eoghan Harris who got the ball rolling and the damage he's done within RTE, where him and others of his ilk outed anyone of a nationalist persuasion and its been well documented. And then the influence they had churning out their pro-unionist rubbish which people bought into. Not surprisingly he's now a UUP advisor. Conor Cruise O'Brien, Fintan O'Toole, Kevin Myers, Pat Flanagan and the unionist agenda goes on and on through-out every major media outlet. The Times, the Independent, the English red tops, you name it. Its propaganda really and we've been exposed to it daily in the south for the past 15-20 years, so its no surprise that many the people in the south are of that opinion. Over time its worked and you can see the puppets of its influence rife within this site alone

WilyCoyote · 05-12-2013 04:33AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

The media has a lot to answer for here in the south with their anti-nationalist agenda. It's nothing new, and has been like this for the past 15 years or so. You can see the influence daily even on this website. 20 years ago do you think half the population would be looking at everything from the British perspective, apologising for their actions here and distracting any British wrong doing from the point with their IRA whataboutary? Even the current IRA-Garda "collusion" story shows this. Such a big deal made out of it. Yet recent stories have come out, of drive-by shootings at random Irish nationalists in the north by members of the British security forces and it hardly gets a mention.

There's an agenda against nationalism in our media. Just look up Eoghan Harris who got the ball rolling and the damage he's done within RTE, where him and others of his ilk outed anyone of a nationalist persuasion and its been well documented. And then the influence they had churning out their pro-unionist rubbish which people bought into. Not surprisingly he's now a UUP advisor. Conor Cruise O'Brien, Fintan O'Toole, Kevin Myers, Pat Flanagan and the unionist agenda goes on and on through-out every major media outlet. The Times, the Independent, the English red tops, you name it. Its propaganda really and we've been exposed to it daily in the south for the past 15-20 years, so its no surprise that many the people in the south are of that opinion. Over time its worked and you can see the puppets muppets of its influence rife within this site alone

Fixed your post!

Banjo String · 05-12-2013 08:42AM

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

yes because all area's in NI are full of local services and whatever way you dress it up its much more expensive than down here in the South all in all.

Dumb this down for me please

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

It's SF being very two faced, why don't they support a blanket household rate done here instead of the LPT and all other charges?

Their isn't a blanket rate in the North. Rates are calculated on your property, location, ability to pay etc etc.

You're also fully paid up for a lot of other services once rates are paid.

Refuse collecting. Health care (yeah no gp / a&e charges etc. No book fees for school. No tolls on the Road. Etc etc etc.

The 'shinners' don't view the Irish citizens as cash cows.

That be the other parties problems

Banjo String · 05-12-2013 08:54AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

There is such a thing as a property tax. Unless you know better than the people appointed to collect it. And where did you get the idea that NI domestic rates (property tax) funds water services?

Oh that's right. Water still gets paid for via their tax payments/vat (like we did)

We'll pay separate now (yet I see no paye/vat reductions)

dxhound2005 wrote: »

http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/index/information-and-services/property-and-housing/rates/your-rate-bill/what-are-rates.htm

What are rates?

Rates are a property tax based on the valuation of your home. The income from rates provides funding for services at both local (your council) and regional (NI Assembly) levels.

Ah here DXHOUND.

In the name of Transparency and fairness at least copy and paste the whole text from that site.

What do rates pay for?

Rates fund public services in Northern Ireland, both regional and local. Your rate bill is made up of two parts, the regional rate and the district rate.

Regional rate

The regional rate is set annually by the Northern Ireland Executive and is applied to each district council area in Northern Ireland. This pays for such services as:

education
emergency services
health
housing
roads
water and sewerage

Although a contribution is made by all ratepayers towards public services, there is no specific proportion that can be linked to the availability or usage of any particular public service.

District rate

The district rate is set annually by each of the district councils in Northern Ireland, and is used to fund services such as:

arts, events and recreation
building control
community centres
environmental health
leisure facilities
tourism
waste management

I'm sure that was an oversight on your part. (Again)

Eight Ball · 05-12-2013 09:00AM

SF would end the largesse of RTE and government. They wouldn't (rightfully) accept the montrose millionaires getting paid what they do on the back of the tax payer.

BillyMitchel · 05-12-2013 09:02AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

The media has a lot to answer for here in the south with their anti-nationalist agenda. It's nothing new, and has been like this for the past 15 years or so. You can see the influence daily even on this website. 20 years ago do you think half the population would be looking at everything from the British perspective, apologising for their actions here and distracting any British wrong doing from the point with their IRA whataboutary? Even the current IRA-Garda "collusion" story shows this. Such a big deal made out of it. Yet recent stories have come out, of drive-by shootings at random Irish nationalists in the north by members of the British security forces and it hardly gets a mention.

There's an agenda against nationalism in our media. Just look up Eoghan Harris who got the ball rolling and the damage he's done within RTE, where him and others of his ilk outed anyone of a nationalist persuasion and its been well documented. And then the influence they had churning out their pro-unionist rubbish which people bought into. Not surprisingly he's now a UUP advisor. Conor Cruise O'Brien, Fintan O'Toole, Kevin Myers, Pat Flanagan and the unionist agenda goes on and on through-out every major media outlet. The Times, the Independent, the English red tops, you name it. Its propaganda really and we've been exposed to it daily in the south for the past 15-20 years, so its no surprise that many the people in the south are of that opinion. Over time its worked and you can see the puppets of its influence rife within this site alone

Best comment I've read on boards in a long long time -apart from my own if course.

Phoebas · 05-12-2013 09:03AM

The Golden Miller wrote: »

The media has a lot to answer for here in the south with their anti-nationalist agenda. It's nothing new, and has been like this for the past 15 years or so. You can see the influence daily even on this website. 20 years ago do you think half the population would be looking at everything from the British perspective, apologising for their actions here and distracting any British wrong doing from the point with their IRA whataboutary? Even the current IRA-Garda "collusion" story shows this. Such a big deal made out of it. Yet recent stories have come out, of drive-by shootings at random Irish nationalists in the north by members of the British security forces and it hardly gets a mention.

There's an agenda against nationalism in our media. Just look up Eoghan Harris who got the ball rolling and the damage he's done within RTE, where him and others of his ilk outed anyone of a nationalist persuasion and its been well documented. And then the influence they had churning out their pro-unionist rubbish which people bought into. Not surprisingly he's now a UUP advisor. Conor Cruise O'Brien, Fintan O'Toole, Kevin Myers, Pat Flanagan and the unionist agenda goes on and on through-out every major media outlet. The Times, the Independent, the English red tops, you name it. Its propaganda really and we've been exposed to it daily in the south for the past 15-20 years, so its no surprise that many the people in the south are of that opinion. Over time its worked and you can see the puppets of its influence rife within this site alone

tl;dr: Anyone that doesn't share your analysis is just a puppet; a victim of propaganda.

.jacksparrow. · 05-12-2013 09:07AM

Media Propaganda backed by the government has always been the most valuable asset against nationalists.

People will believe almost anything they read in the papers and are told by rte or tv3 low budget documentaries.

Christy42 · 05-12-2013 09:32AM

All possible reasons. That or the serious connection to people's deaths. I seem to remember a pretty horrific tape of McGuinness coming out around the time of the presidential election. I don't think anyone seriously believes that Gerry Adams is clean either. Get rid of the old guard and they might have a chance. Reckon everyone is rather wondering when the united Ireland thing is gong to come up, Sinn Fein have be very quiet about that goal down south but I can see it being a big deal once they get in whether or not the people wanted that.

And yes for balance if the unionists ever run for election down here I will bring up their violent past and throw in the treating Catholics like second hand citizens bit for good measure.

gandalf · 05-12-2013 09:41AM

I think the main issue that those parties have with Sinn Fein is the same as mine. They acted as a front for murdering thugs for years and a lot of their senior members were involved directly in murder and criminality.

Add to that their fantasy Marxist economics, although that stance does look hypocritical given their performance in Government in Northern Ireland where they have towed the British Exchequers line in a very subservient manner.

In reality they have as much credibility as Fianna Fail and are the same except their members directly did harm to many whereas Fianna Fail indirectly did it via their disastrous policy (or not policy) decisions.

Sunnyisland · 05-12-2013 09:42AM

Christy42 wrote: »

All possible reasons. That or the serious connection to people's deaths. I seem to remember a pretty horrific tape of McGuinness coming out around the time of the presidential election. I don't think anyone seriously believes that Gerry Adams is clean either. Get rid of the old guard and they might have a chance. Reckon everyone is rather wondering when the united Ireland thing is gong to come up, Sinn Fein have be very quiet about that goal down south but I can see it being a big deal once they get in whether or not the people wanted that.

And yes for balance if the unionists ever run for election down here I will bring up their violent past and throw in the treating Catholics like second hand citizens bit for good measure.

As it might be a while before any unionist party run for election down here, Why don't you ask the senior members of the Labour Party about there not to distanced past in there connection to the Official IRA ?

Why are Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, RTE & the Independent obsessed with Sinn Féin?

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