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Bob Dylan charged with a hate crime by the French

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  • #32
    Sulla Felix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    psinno wrote: »
    Different affair, I think Croatia was an ally of Germany in WW2.
    Yup, and the internment camps were run so horrifically that several SS officers refused to serve in them while supposed to be giving the Croats advice.
    Name a nation, and you can find some dirt on them.


  • #33
    Duck's hoop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭Duck's hoop


    Seaneh wrote: »
    Being a supporter of the founder of the JDL is rabidly Zionist, imo.

    He said he was 'a really sincere guy'.

    In 1971.


  • #34
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Oh wow.. so Jews are different from other people and have magic noses... oh wait. I don't agree that its a hate crime but what crap.


  • #35
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Sulla Felix wrote: »
    Yup, and the internment camps were run so horrifically that several SS officers refused to serve in them while supposed to be giving the Croats advice.
    Yeh in fairness I've read about some absolutely mad sh1t that went on in Croatia under the nazi occupiers. Catholic church had some pretty shocking representation there too (not catholic bashing before anyone starts).


  • #36
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Sulla Felix wrote: »
    Yup, and the internment camps were run so horrifically that several SS officers refused to serve in them while supposed to be giving the Croats advice.
    Name a nation, and you can find some dirt on them.

    Yep, the Ustase, I remember a particularly horrific story about them collecting eyes. Not all Croatians were involved though so to say the Serbs can smell Croatians is a bit disgusting.


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  • #37
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    Seaneh wrote: »
    Except for the fact in the very post before the one you quoted, I mentioned it...


    Classic Jank post right there, classic.


    And you're ignoring that the croat facist state was nothing more than a puppet state of Germany/Italy and not a representation of Croatian people at all.

    We are not talking about representations (no true scots man fallacy right there) , we are talking about the fact that the Serbs (and others) suffered terribly at the hands of the Croats during that period, a fact that many do not know as people think that the serbs always had the boot on the Croats. There has been plenty of give and take in that long war.


  • #38
    cml387
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,423 ✭✭✭cml387


    I've said it before... you never have this problem with ABBA.


  • #39
    NuckingFacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,221 ✭✭✭NuckingFacker


    El Guapo! wrote: »
    Sorry, Bob, but you're batshít crazy.
    Batsh1t crazy duly added to the list, current encumbents:totally fake mammies boy who spouts inane poetry to music acting the bad-a55 rebel while checking his share portfolio in his 5-star Hotel room and giggling at peoples misguided love for him..


  • #40
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    jank wrote: »
    We are not talking about representations (no true scots man fallacy right there) , we are talking about the fact that the Serbs (and others) suffered terribly at the hands of the Croats during that period, a fact that many do not know as people think that the serbs always had the boot on the Croats. There has been plenty of give and take in that long war.

    The hands of some Croats, he didn't say that though. He said Croats. It would be like calling all Germans Nazis. Calling certain traits as belonging to one nationalism. Its nonsense and the logic of a fascist. Ironically enough.


  • #41
    D1stant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭D1stant


    Bob Dylan is beyond reproach in his lifelong support of justice for the underdog. If he is guilty of any hate crime, it is in his lyrics bashing against the system that these French Judges represent

    "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" Nice one France.


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  • #42
    jam_mac_jam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,735 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    D1stant wrote: »
    Bob Dylan is beyond reproach in his lifelong support of justice for the underdog. If he is guilty of any hate crime, it is in his lyrics bashing against the system that these French Judges represent

    "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" Nice one France.

    Nobody is beyond reproach


  • #43
    Sulla Felix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    D1stant wrote: »
    Bob Dylan is beyond reproach in his lifelong support of justice for the underdog. If he is guilty of any hate crime, it is in his lyrics bashing against the system that these French Judges represent

    "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" Nice one France.
    He sure was supporting justice when he gave a concert in china to a bunch of peoples party appartchiks and carefully handpicked "fans".


  • #44
    D1stant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭D1stant


    Sulla Felix wrote: »
    He sure was supporting justice when he gave a concert in china to a bunch of peoples party appartchiks and carefully handpicked "fans".

    I have no idea what you are referring to (link it if you want), but Dylan must have given over 10,000 concerts. Do you think he handpicks the audiences? Or maybe he has a philosophy to perform to any audience? Its more likely the latter, The guy clearly does not do it for the money. And he does not preach hate. I mean talk about barking up the wrong tree here.


  • #45
    Sulla Felix
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,442 ✭✭✭Sulla Felix


    D1stant wrote: »
    I have no idea what you are referring to (link it if you want), but Dylan must have given over 10,000 concerts. Do you think he handpicks the audiences? Or maybe he has a philosophy to perform to any audience? Its more likely the latter, The guy clearly does not do it for the money. And he does not preach hate. I mean talk about barking up the wrong tree here.
    Well it would be my humble suggestion that playing to that audience was lacking in moral or ethical concern for the rank human rights abuses in the PRC. If he has a philosophy to perform to any audience, well, apparently that rates higher in his mind than other ethical issues.


  • #46
    D1stant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭D1stant


    Sulla Felix wrote: »
    Well it would be my humble suggestion that playing to that audience was lacking in moral or ethical concern for the rank human rights abuses in the PRC. If he has a philosophy to perform to any audience, well, apparently that rates higher in his mind than other ethical issues.

    Ah I see so we are back to Paul Simon / Graceland / Apartheid land. (and look at the wonderful results of Simon ignoring the accepted wisdom back then) If you were to musically embargo countries that have human rights issues it would be a long sorry pointless list. Its a totally different topic to the one being discussed here though

    Does Bob Dylan preach hate? I see no evidence for it Does Bob Dylan preach peace, understanding and justice? I see lots


  • #47
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Never understood the benefit of musicians boycotting countries - all it does is further alienate those having to suffer under the regimes in question.
    I would have thought that playing there is reaching out to ordinary folk who are fans, not condoning the regime.


  • #48
    Wattle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭Wattle


    NuckingFacker wrote: »
    Batsh1t crazy duly added to the list, current encumbents:totally fake mammies boy who spouts inane poetry to music acting the bad-a55 rebel while checking his share portfolio in his 5-star Hotel room and giggling at peoples misguided love for him..

    You sound awfully hard to please.


  • #49
    jank
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭jank


    jam_mac_jam wrote: »
    The hands of some Croats, he didn't say that though. He said Croats. It would be like calling all Germans Nazis. Calling certain traits as belonging to one nationalism. Its nonsense and the logic of a fascist. Ironically enough.

    You have a point but logic of a fascist? Bob Dylan is a fascist now?


  • #50
    wow sierra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭wow sierra


    From Rolling Stone a few weeks ago:
    Bob Dylan Receives French Legion of Honor

    Singer says simply that he's 'proud and grateful' for award


    By Eric R Danton

    November 14, 2013 8:45 AM ET

    Bob Dylan received France's highest cultural award yesterday in Paris, where the culture minister awarded him the Legion of Honor while praising the singer for serving as an inspiration to young people, the BBC reports.

    Dylan, who reportedly looked uncomfortable during the speech by Aurelie Filippetti, said afterward that he was "proud and grateful" to receive the award. He's in France this week on a tour that includes a show tonight in Paris.

    Where Does Bob Dylan Rank on Our 100 Greatest Artists List?

    A previous bid to give Dylan the award had been blocked by the 17-member committee that approves recipients, reportedly because the rocker's opposition to the Vietnam War and marijuana use made him unsuitable. The committee reconsidered this spring, with the head of the group lauding Dylan as a "tremendous singer and great poet" in a letter to the French newspaper Le Monde.

    Dylan earlier this year was inducted into the American Academy of Arts and Letters, and last year received the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the top civilian honor in the U.S.


    Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/bob-dylan-receives-french-legion-of-honor-20131114#ixzz2mSmM1Xc5
    Follow us: @rollingstone on Twitter | RollingStone on Facebook

    Those French are a fickle lot. I love his songs - I think he is my favourite song writer. I hate that he makes no effort in live shows. I disagree with some of his politics - particularly in relation to Israel.

    BUT I RESPECT HIS FREEDOM OF SPEECH FFS


  • #51
    Temaz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭Temaz


    Sulla Felix wrote: »
    Well it would be my humble suggestion that playing to that audience was lacking in moral or ethical concern for the rank human rights abuses in the PRC. If he has a philosophy to perform to any audience, well, apparently that rates higher in his mind than other ethical issues.

    Dylan wrote an open letter on his website about the China gig.
    To my fans and followers
    Allow me to clarify a couple of things about this so-called China controversy which has been going on for over a year. First of all, we were never denied permission to play in China. This was all drummed up by a Chinese promoter who was trying to get me to come there after playing Japan and Korea. My guess is that the guy printed up tickets and made promises to certain groups without any agreements being made. We had no intention of playing China at that time, and when it didn't happen most likely the promoter had to save face by issuing statements that the Chinese Ministry had refused permission for me to play there to get himself off the hook. If anybody had bothered to check with the Chinese authorities, it would have been clear that the Chinese authorities were unaware of the whole thing.

    We did go there this year under a different promoter. According to Mojo magazine the concerts were attended mostly by ex-pats and there were a lot of empty seats. Not true. If anybody wants to check with any of the concert-goers they will see that it was mostly Chinese young people that came. Very few ex-pats if any. The ex-pats were mostly in Hong Kong not Beijing. Out of 13,000 seats we sold about 12,000 of them, and the rest of the tickets were given away to orphanages. The Chinese press did tout me as a sixties icon, however, and posted my picture all over the place with Joan Baez, Che Guevara, Jack Kerouac and Allen Ginsberg. The concert attendees probably wouldn't have known about any of those people. Regardless, they responded enthusiastically to the songs on my last 4 or 5 records. Ask anyone who was there. They were young and my feeling was that they wouldn't have known my early songs anyway.

    As far as censorship goes, the Chinese government had asked for the names of the songs that I would be playing. There's no logical answer to that, so we sent them the set lists from the previous 3 months. If there were any songs, verses or lines censored, nobody ever told me about it and we played all the songs that we intended to play.

    Everybody knows by now that there's a gazillion books on me either out or coming out in the near future. So I'm encouraging anybody who's ever met me, heard me or even seen me, to get in on the action and scribble their own book. You never know, somebody might have a great book in them.


    Read more: http://www.bobdylan.com/us/news/my-fans-and-followers#ixzz2mVCisgl9


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  • #52
    General General
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭General General


    I think he's only a pawn in their game.


  • #53
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    I don't care about his politics, it's the whiny singing voice that puts me off.


  • #54
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    The French should be directing their energies at getting their own house in order wrt racial intolerance rather than trying to prosecute a cultural icon for speaking his mind.
    Leave Bob alone Frenchies!


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