Raised some money for Movember? You're a racist apparently

Links234 · 03-12-2013 11:49AM

Schism wrote: »

Sorry for spitting vitriol at you guys reading but that's gotten me very worked up.

Carry on, it's got me worked up too because the author is using transgender people as a springboard to get offended on our behalf. I feel equally annoyed and embarassed by this.

03-12-2013 11:51AM

Schism wrote: »

Not only that but it's sexist? The whole idea of Movember is to highlight prostate cancer, a male affliction. Does it not make sense to go with something inherently male? And another thing, if any woman had the guts to wear a fake moustache for the whole month of November I guarantee she'd raise far more money and awareness than any man could.

This times a billion. Plus it's not like Movember stops women from spouting a moustache - I was in London last week and on certain stops on the underground you could send in photos of your progress and it would be shown among the advertisements. There were quite a few women wearing fake moustaches that had raised some money

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Its nearly January, women can have their fanuary and men won't complain.

I really hope Fanuary doesn't become a thing.

Rabelais · 03-12-2013 11:55AM

Published in The New Statesman, a magazine even more insufferably self-righteous than The Guardian. Same magazine that published Russel Brand sh1tting on about revolution and his left-wing beliefs while wearing a pair of jeans that cost £400.

I preferred my loony lefties when they were like Nigel Benn.

Zillah · 03-12-2013 12:14PM

Daqster wrote: »

Say no more.

There's nothing wrong with feminism if you know what you're talking about. In a nutshell: Everyone should be equal, and considering the history of poor treatment towards women we should place a special emphasis on dealing with that. Perfectly sensible, it has nothing to do with hating men or anything silly like that, and if you encounter someone who claims it does; they're likely either a sexist that wants to demonise feminists, or a woman that hates men and wants to hide behind feminism.

"The Direction of Time" as a research interest, however...god damn philosophers. It goes one direction: forward.

FTA69 · 03-12-2013 12:18PM

Daqster wrote: »

Say no more.

Nothing at all wrong with feminism; the idea that women face hurdles in society due to their gender isn't nonsense.

If you're going to call bullsh*t then "metaphysics" and "cosmology" should give you plenty of legitimate ammunition.

ringadingding · 03-12-2013 12:19PM

Some of the comments are brilliant
" coming up next week - how giving up alcohol for October is mocking Muslims"

DMR1861 · 03-12-2013 12:57PM

That article was laughably pathetic but it doesn't surprise me. I've seen nutjobs ranting that white people shouldn't dress us as ninjas for Halloween or do yoga because its offensive.

kneemos · 03-12-2013 01:07PM

DMR1861 wrote: »

That article was laughably pathetic but it doesn't surprise me. I've seen nutjobs ranting that white people shouldn't dress us as ninjas for Halloween or do yoga because its offensive.

Maybe we need an equal rights for white people movement.

sensormatic · 03-12-2013 01:17PM

t think foxhound is coming out like no bother,,,,,,,

iDave · 03-12-2013 01:43PM

Once upon a time feminism fought for real everyday issues like votes and women in the workplace. Look at what its become. Complaining about Movember and lads mags.

I am pie · 03-12-2013 01:45PM

All Mexicans have moustaches? All Indians have moustaches?

Riiiight.

old hippy · 03-12-2013 01:52PM

The New Statesman is no stranger to controversy and over the years has had numerous contentious articles and guest contributors. I must admit, I cancelled my subscription years back. I imagine it's a piss take or sales are falling.

Of course, the article is a godsend for the "PC gone mad" brigade and no doubt, will be referred to in years to come. But I doubt anyone of any kind of substance will take the article seriously. I don't.

CatLou · 03-12-2013 01:53PM

Setun wrote: »

Glad I read that article. My Dad is a white man who has had a moustache since the 1970s, I know now him to be a massive racist and will inform him of that immediately.

My thoughts exactly (well, not exactly, my da doesn't have a moustache). Because european men never grown moustaches before... Sure, they just do it to mock some random Mexican guy. Jesus, what a load of rubbish.

RoboRat · 03-12-2013 01:56PM

I was pondering whether to grow a Hitler style mo this year but thought better of it, might do it next year though

Bannasidhe · 03-12-2013 02:00PM

old hippy wrote: »

Of course, the article is a godsend for the "PC gone mad" brigade and no doubt, will be referred to in years to come. But I doubt anyone of any kind of substance will take the article seriously. I don't.

Well, it certainly allowed some posters to get their digs in...:rolleyes:

tin79 wrote: »

Movember is open to women too. Old grannies and Lesbos and trannies and low oestrogen types.

conorhal wrote: »

She's also dead wrong, I've never met a militant feminist that had difficulty growing a mustache.....

Signed

A Lesbo Granny Feminist who thinks Movember is a great idea.

old hippy · 03-12-2013 02:05PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Well, it certainly allowed some posters to get their digs in...:rolleyes:

Signed

A Lesbo Granny Feminist who thinks Movember is a great idea.

They can think of it as an early xmas present

it's a great excuse for them to release all that misinformed, misguided and misogynist rage...

jank · 03-12-2013 02:05PM

Zillah wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with feminism if you know what you're talking about. In a nutshell: Everyone should be equal, and considering the history of poor treatment towards women we should place a special emphasis on dealing with that. Perfectly sensible, it has nothing to do with hating men or anything silly like that, and if you encounter someone who claims it does; they're likely either a sexist that wants to demonise feminists, or a woman that hates men and wants to hide behind feminism.

"The Direction of Time" as a research interest, however...god damn philosophers. It goes one direction: forward.

Yet the same feminist will lobby for gender quotas that makes some people more equal than others… you can't square that peg.

Jester252 · 03-12-2013 02:07PM

She is not a feminism, she is sexist and racist

Using her logic (not mine), women mini matrons for breast cancer are racist and sexist too. Its just a bunch of white women running, jogging and walking mocking Africans women who have to walk everyday for supplies. Men can't take part unless their in drag and breast cancer is not a worth while cause as more women die of heart diseases, strokes or HIV.

The article is a joke

ScumLord · 03-12-2013 02:07PM

The only thing I can take from that article is that a moustache quite suits David Cameron. He looks more manly and trustworthy with one.

jank · 03-12-2013 02:07PM

old hippy wrote: »

The New Statesman is no stranger to controversy and over the years has had numerous contentious articles and guest contributors. I must admit, I cancelled my subscription years back. I imagine it's a piss take or sales are falling.

Of course, the article is a godsend for the "PC gone mad" brigade and no doubt, will be referred to in years to come. But I doubt anyone of any kind of substance will take the article seriously. I don't.

The oft muted no true scotsman fallacy.

I am pie · 03-12-2013 02:09PM

Men can't be men anymore, nor can women be women. It's cisgender, so we don't exclude the transgender folks.

Now men can't grow moustaches for fear of upsetting women, transgenders and racial stereotypes.

Women on the other hand must all wear false moustaches to demonstrate that they are empowered to use facial hair as a fashion statement.

All funds raised for male cancer must be handed back in order to pay for the supply of false moustaches and additional ink to facilitate changing male and female to cisgender on all questionnaires.

old hippy · 03-12-2013 02:09PM

jank wrote: »

Yet the same feminist will lobby for gender quotas that makes some people more equal than others… you can't square that peg.

Which same feminist, exactly?

Which gender quotas, specifically?

Or is this just a bit of generic anti-feminist/pc gone mad fluff you're furnishing the debate with?

Links234 · 03-12-2013 02:11PM

iDave wrote: »

Once upon a time feminism fought for real everyday issues like votes and women in the workplace. Look at what its become. Complaining about Movember and lads mags.

Feminists STILL fight for very real issues, reproductive health issues for one, issues that seriously effect women's everyday lives. That article isn't "what feminism has become", it's the opinion of someone who's so far up their arse in academia they've probably not seen the outside of their bowel in decades.

I am pie · 03-12-2013 02:11PM

old hippy wrote: »

They can think of it as an early xmas present it's a great excuse for them to release all that misinformed, misguided and misogynist rage...

Do you agree with the article or not?

Direct question, you are making some vague allusion to the fact that rather than the author being a little bit foolish it's actually the people who disagree with her that are misinformed and misguided?

Some people will immediately line up behind any nonsense based on where it is coming from ideologically. That unthinking pill swallowing is as dangerous as any of the overt reactions.

Links234 · 03-12-2013 02:12PM

ScumLord wrote: »

The only thing I can take from that article is that a moustache quite suits David Cameron. He looks more manly and trustworthy with one.

David Cameron?! I thought that was Ron Swanson! :eek:

Links234 · 03-12-2013 02:15PM

I am pie wrote: »

Men can't be men anymore, nor can women be women. It's cisgender, so we don't exclude the transgender folks.

you keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means

jank · 03-12-2013 02:16PM

old hippy wrote: »

Which same feminist, exactly?

Which gender quotas, specifically?

Or is this just a bit of generic anti-feminist/pc gone mad fluff you're furnishing the debate with?

Ivana Bacik and many of her ilk like her.
http://www.labour.ie/press/2010/09/18/bacik-calls-for-gender-quota-legislation/

This is not exactly 'news' per say unless you have been living under a rock. Gender quotas != equality, it is the opposite yet we are well down that road. Give it 10 years and there will be plenty of this type of insane legislation. 'Positive' discrimination its called, as if state sponsored discrimination is OK!

Femme_Fatale · 03-12-2013 02:18PM

I am pie wrote: »

Men can't be men anymore, nor can women be women.

Er, we... can't?

Now men can't grow moustaches for fear of upsetting women, transgenders and racial stereotypes.

Lol, it's one utterly looney article that nobody here agrees with, not even the "peeeceee herpa derpa brigade" (despite the hopes that they do) and you're making out it's the way of the world now!

Women on the other hand must all wear false moustaches to demonstrate that they are empowered to use facial hair as a fashion statement.

What the actual fuk?! :pac:

Bannasidhe · 03-12-2013 02:21PM

jank wrote: »

Ivana Bacik and many of her ilk like her.
http://www.labour.ie/press/2010/09/18/bacik-calls-for-gender-quota-legislation/

This is not exactly 'news' per say unless you have been living under a rock. Gender quotas != equality, it is the opposite yet we are well down that road. Give it 10 years and there will be plenty of this type of insane legislation. 'Positive' discrimination its called, as if state sponsored discrimination is OK!

Ah Jank - I see you are still drumming out that 'All Feminists believe exactly the same thing' old rubbish.

Guess what - we don't.

No more than all men believe the same thing.

I am a feminist and I very very rarely agree with Ivana Bacik and I think the article which is the topic of this thread is a pile of steaming bull.

Guy:Incognito · 03-12-2013 02:22PM

I think I need to write in to the problem page in the sun. I havent bothered shaving for the last week and now im worried I might be a racist.think ill stay in till I get a reply in case I get the urge to burn a cross or something.who knows what I might be capable of now.

Raised some money for Movember? You're a racist apparently

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