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Gardai corruption or have we become a nation of cynics?

  • 02-12-2013 03:07PM
    #1
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭


    This story reeks of corruption. Yet there seems to be no punishment/retraining for the sergeant that caused the whole debacle. And the blanket "we don't discuss internal matters" puts the lie on Alan Shatter's 'full transparency' promise. After Donegal, you would think that corruption and arrogance would have been rooted out. Let's see if our brave reporters ask either Shatter or the AG to elucidate. But please everyone ....... no breath holding

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sacked-garda-gets-job-back-after-ag-calls-for-end-to-probe-29801511.html


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  • #2
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,119 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    which left the State taxpayer with estimated legal costs of €450,000
    :mad:


  • #3
    Holsten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,971 ✭✭✭Holsten


    Of course there will be corruption.

    It's everywhere, and the Gardai are not immune.


  • #4
    Augmerson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,162 ✭✭✭Augmerson


    Holsten wrote: »
    Of course there will be corruption.

    It's everywhere, and the Gardai are not immune.

    This.


  • #5
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Holsten wrote: »
    Of course there will be corruption.

    It's everywhere, and the Gardai are not immune.

    Does this mean that it could reach the highest ranks?


  • #6
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    The man won a Supreme Court appeal and will begin "re-training" from today.
    What is your problem OP?


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  • #7
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »
    The man won a Supreme Court appeal and will begin "re-training" from today.
    What is your problem OP?

    You seem to have a problem understanding simple sentences.
    You should read the full article or get someone to read it for you.
    Below is an extract. The garda is being retrained. The sergeant (who tried to wipe the charge) is not AFAIK.

    However, a sergeant later wrote to a garda inspector complaining Gda Kelly had not answered certain questions and recommended no prosecution.


  • #8
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    Does this mean that it could reach the highest ranks?

    of course it does


  • #9
    Pappa Charlie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 853 ✭✭✭Pappa Charlie


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    This story reeks of corruption. Yet there seems to be no punishment/retraining for the sergeant that caused the whole debacle. And the blanket "we don't discuss internal matters" puts the lie on Alan Shatter's 'full transparency' promise. After Donegal, you would think that corruption and arrogance would have been rooted out. Let's see if our brave reporters ask either Shatter or the AG to elucidate. But please everyone ....... no breath holding

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sacked-garda-gets-job-back-after-ag-calls-for-end-to-probe-29801511.html

    The Supreme Court has come down on his side, yet the ultimate boards.ie court and judge coyote deem he should be hung drawn and quartered. Typical ****e from people who are very likely to have grievences with AGS over being convicted for road traffic offences or bring told to cop themselves when pissed and a dickhead at 4am in the morning, horse****e!


  • #10
    tin79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭tin79


    He broke up a lock in. Ya cant be doing that in auld Ireland sure.


    Hang him.


  • #11
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Pappa Charlie wrote: »
    The Supreme Court has come down on his side, yet the ultimate boards.ie court and judge coyote deem he should be hung drawn and quartered. Typical ****e from people who are very likely to have grievences with AGS over being convicted for road traffic offences or bring told to cop themselves when pissed and a dickhead at 4am in the morning, horse****e!

    Why don't you read the article and try and understand it's simple sentences. I'm talking about the sergeant getting off ........ not the garda - who was wronged by his sergeant.
    Both the article and the post are easily understandable ......... have you escaped from Bebo?


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  • #12
    Pappa Charlie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 853 ✭✭✭Pappa Charlie


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    Why don't you read the article and try and understand it's simple sentences. I'm talking about the sergeant getting off ........ not the garda - who was wronged by his sergeant.
    Both the article and the post are easily understandable ......... have you escaped from Bebo?

    Would you ever **** off and get a life!


  • #13
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Pappa Charlie wrote: »
    Would you ever **** off and get a life!

    Just read the article. By throwing your toys out of the cot ........ yes, Bebo


  • #14
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    Why don't you read the article and try and understand it's simple sentences. I'm talking about the sergeant getting off ........ not the garda - who was wronged by his sergeant.
    Both the article and the post are easily understandable ......... have you escaped from Bebo?

    I think you're the one with the comprehension issues.
    You've based your whole 'Sergeant getting off' theory around one sentence in a newspaper article.
    You've no background knowledge, you've no inside information, you've no evidence of any kind - basically you've no clue whatsoever.

    If it was me, I probably wouldn't post up a thread claiming corruption with such a lack of basic info. I'd be worried people would think I'm some kind of [EMAIL="dumb@ss"]dumb@ss[/EMAIL].


  • #15
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Frank Black wrote: »
    I think you're the one with the comprehension issues.
    You've based your whole 'Sergeant getting off' theory around one sentence in a newspaper article.
    You've no background knowledge, you've no inside information, you've no evidence of any kind - basically you've no clue whatsoever.

    If it was me, I probably wouldn't post up a thread claiming corruption with such a lack of basic info. I'd be worried people would think I'm some kind of [EMAIL="dumb@ss"]dumb@ss[/EMAIL].

    You can only make assumptions with the info at hand. What is wrong with that? A sergeant went over the head of one of his underlings and got a publican off a charge. By so doing he also dropped the poor garda in the merde. If that doesn't deserve looking into, then there will be a whiff of corruption in higher places.
    As regards having 'no clue whatsoever'? I can only comment on the fact that the AG decided not to go ahead and the garda was reinstated. If you have some info that has not come to light ...... please share.


  • #16
    Frank Black
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,296 ✭✭✭Frank Black


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    You can only make assumptions with the info at hand. .
    or not make any.

    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    What is wrong with that? .
    You'll most likly be completely wrong.
    Look, I'll show you

    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    A sergeant went over the head of one of his underlings and got a publican off a charge. .

    Assumption based on no evidence.
    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    By so doing he also dropped the poor garda in the merde. .
    Assumption based on no evidence.

    .
    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    As regards having 'no clue whatsoever'? I can only comment on the fact that the AG decided not to go ahead and the garda was reinstated. If you have some info that has not come to light ...... please share.
    I'm not the one making assumptions now am I.

    For example, based on your posts, I could make all kinds of assumptions about your intellect.
    It would be wrong to do so however, as I have no hard evidence on how intelligent, or indeed stupid, you actually are.


  • #17
    humanji
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    Stop with the childish bickering!


  • #18
    kerry4sam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,127 ✭✭✭✭kerry4sam


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    This story reeks of corruption. Yet there seems to be no punishment/retraining for the sergeant that caused the whole debacle. And the blanket "we don't discuss internal matters" puts the lie on Alan Shatter's 'full transparency' promise. After Donegal, you would think that corruption and arrogance would have been rooted out. Let's see if our brave reporters ask either Shatter or the AG to elucidate. But please everyone ....... no breath holding

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/sacked-garda-gets-job-back-after-ag-calls-for-end-to-probe-29801511.html
    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    You seem to have a problem understanding simple sentences.
    You should read the full article or get someone to read it for you.
    Below is an extract. The garda is being retrained. The sergeant (who tried to wipe the charge) is not AFAIK.

    However, a sergeant later wrote to a garda inspector complaining Gda Kelly had not answered certain questions and recommended no prosecution.

    WilyCoyote, don't be getting yourself worked up over An Garda Síochána. Nothing like you would think from our or any National PoliceForce - nothing! Don't expect morals, honesty, decency, ethics, conscience or morality in serving full-time members and you might just be able to look one in the eye with a straight face imo.


  • #19
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes

    But having gardai inquiring into garda malpractices is a bit rich. The siege mentality that pervades the force in the face of an inquiry is similar to the position that politicians take when inquiries begin re. a political scandal.
    These people are public servants and are paid to uphold the law - not drive a coach&four through it.
    One way out of this miasma would be to stop the pension entitlements from the time of the wrongdoing. After all, the employer part of the pension is paid in return for the person doing his/her job right. If that part of the bargain is not upheld by the employee then that part of the contract should be voided. This might jog the memories of serving officers when questions are put to them.


  • #20
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    was it in return for free dinners?


  • #21
    Pappa Charlie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 853 ✭✭✭Pappa Charlie


    kerry4sam wrote: »
    WilyCoyote, don't be getting yourself worked up over An Garda Síochána. Nothing like you would think from our or any National PoliceForce - nothing! Don't expect morals, honesty, decency, ethics, conscience or morality in serving full-time members and you might just be able to look one in the eye with a straight face imo.

    So says the man who couldn't hack it in the garda reserve! By the way Sam is in Dublin and will be for a long time!


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  • #22
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    Pappa Charlie wrote: »
    So says the man who couldn't hack it in the garda reserve! By the way Sam is in Dublin and will be for a long time!

    Ouch .


  • #23
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    kerry4sam wrote: »
    WilyCoyote, don't be getting yourself worked up over An Garda Síochána. Nothing like you would think from our or any National PoliceForce - nothing! Don't expect morals, honesty, decency, ethics, conscience or morality in serving full-time members and you might just be able to look one in the eye with a straight face imo.
    Any guard I've dealt with has been sound. What's with the bitter need to pretend they're all crooks based on a few of them?


  • #24
    Hitchens
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,138 ✭✭✭Hitchens


    "the girls they admired him
    as all brazzers do,
    fell in love with the guard
    and his new suit of blue"

    - Barney McKenna :D


  • #25
    joe swanson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭joe swanson


    Yay. A garda bashing thread so we can all make sweeping generalised comments with nothing to back them up.

    That'll learn them for givin me that ticket. Grrrrrrrr


  • #26
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Just for the record. Have had a half a dozen speed tickets in the old days and paid my 50 quid without a bother. A couple of points a couple of times up to coming out here and I'm a great believer in taking the punishment if you break the law. My brother was in the force before retiring and I had two uncles. My best friend in Dublin retired last year after spending all his life in the force. So I don't have a bee on my bonnet about them. But I don't like 1) corruption, 2) dropping someone in the merde and 3) cover ups.
    Now, how does that make me anti-Gardai?
    It seems that any critical analysis of certain professions gets stifled on boards. Tantamount to criticising the clergy twenty or thirty years ago. And we all know what happened there! The manufactured indignation is something else. If everyone thought that the force was immune from corruption, those major cases over the past 20 years would never have been brought to light. And those wrongfully accused would carry the stigma to the grave.
    And I guess all the pulling of summonses for speeding over the past few years is OK as well.


  • #27
    Pappa Charlie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 853 ✭✭✭Pappa Charlie


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    Just for the record. Have had a half a dozen speed tickets in the old days and paid my 50 quid without a bother. A couple of points a couple of times up to coming out here and I'm a great believer in taking the punishment if you break the law. My brother was in the force before retiring and I had two uncles. My best friend in Dublin retired last year after spending all his life in the force. So I don't have a bee on my bonnet about them. But I don't like 1) corruption, 2) dropping someone in the merde and 3) cover ups.
    Now, how does that make me anti-Gardai?
    It seems that any critical analysis of certain professions gets stifled on boards. Tantamount to criticising the clergy twenty or thirty years ago. And we all know what happened there! The manufactured indignation is something else. If everyone thought that the force was immune from corruption, those major cases over the past 20 years would never have been brought to light. And those wrongfully accused would carry the stigma to the grave.
    And I guess all the pulling of summonses for speeding over the past few years is OK as well.

    I see! Your brother got in and you didn't!


  • #28
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    Just for the record. Have had a half a dozen speed tickets in the old days and paid my 50 quid without a bother. A couple of points a couple of times up to coming out here and I'm a great believer in taking the punishment if you break the law. My brother was in the force before retiring and I had two uncles. My best friend in Dublin retired last year after spending all his life in the force. So I don't have a bee on my bonnet about them. But I don't like 1) corruption, 2) dropping someone in the merde and 3) cover ups.
    Now, how does that make me anti-Gardai?
    It seems that any critical analysis of certain professions gets stifled on boards. Tantamount to criticising the clergy twenty or thirty years ago. And we all know what happened there! The manufactured indignation is something else. If everyone thought that the force was immune from corruption, those major cases over the past 20 years would never have been brought to light. And those wrongfully accused would carry the stigma to the grave.
    And I guess all the pulling of summonses for speeding over the past few years is OK as well.
    Huh? Challenging when the entire force is tarred with the corruption brush is not stifling anything - it's just calling out bullsh1t.
    If people could talk about corruption in the gardaí (which does happen) without blaming all of them there'd be far less conflict on these threads.


  • #29
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    Huh? Challenging when the entire force is tarred with the corruption brush is not stifling anything - it's just calling out bullsh1t.
    If people could talk about corruption in the gardaí (which does happen) without blaming all of them there'd be far less conflict on these threads.

    Who's blaming the entire force?


  • #30
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    Who's blaming the entire force?
    A post on this thread:
    Don't expect morals, honesty, decency, ethics, conscience or morality in serving full-time members


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  • #31
    J K
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 468 ✭✭J K


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    But I don't like ......... cover ups.

    Where's the cover up - the Garda authorities did their best to sack him. They investigated him, convicted him and punished him with dismissal.

    The Supreme Court overturned their decision.

    Is the Supreme Court in on your conspiracy?


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