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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭danjo-xx


    jos22 wrote: »
    that the point of those schemes, the tax payers stilling paying the 8-20,000 people that are on TUS, CE , job bridge and forget the name of the 4th one, but we not listed as being on the live register,

    The government is obligated by the Troika to get people off the 'live register' and onto 'job activation schemes' (in the absence of any real jobs)

    A small minority might actually gain a real job from these schemes but you can count them on one hand percentage wise.

    I think these scheme are better than lying in bed all week but only if participants are not being exploited and taken advantage of, but unfortunately this seems to be the case generally.

    Some supervisors on these schemes whoe's job it is.....is to look after the participants on these schemes (as otherwise without the participants) they would have no job, leave a hell of a lot to be desired and are mainly only interested in their own progression sadly and they are on €700 a week, not just €20+their dole.

    the 8-20,000 people that are on TUS, CE , job bridge and forget the name of the 4th one,

    There are upwards of 70k on these schemes Gateway is the other one I think you were thinking of.


  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    danjo-xx wrote: »
    The government is obligated by the Troika to get people off the 'live register' and onto 'job activation schemes' (in the absence of any real jobs)

    A small minority might actually gain a real job from these schemes but you can count them on one hand percentage wise.

    I think these scheme are better than lying in bed all week but only if participants are not being exploited and taken advantage of, but unfortunately this seems to be the case generally.

    Some supervisors on these schemes whoe's job it is.....is to look after the participants on these schemes (as otherwise without the participants) they would have no job, leave a hell of a lot to be desired and are mainly only interested in their own progression sadly and they are on €700 a week, not just €20+their dole.
    There are upwards of 70k on these schemes Gateway is the other one I think you were thinking of.

    I have to take issue with you over the Supervisors. I know a number of them, having been on a FAS CE Scheme myself. I have to say that they were brilliant at their jobs. I've had a quick count. I know 11 Supervisors or Assistant Supervisors. Only one could be described as a stickler of doing things by the rules. As long as you turn up, do your hours and at least attempt some training, you are ok. Most do really good jobs. They are responsible for the running of Creches, Daycare Centers, local theater/social or community centers, tidy towns, churchyard and sports fields, etc. The big problem I have with these schemes is - the work is there. These services are needed. So WHY not let people who want to work there full time do so. I agree it's all to do with massaging figures, but if 50% of those 70,000 were given permanent jobs, wouldn't it be great.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭danjo-xx


    I have to take issue with you over the Supervisors. I know a number of them, having been on a FAS CE Scheme myself. I have to say that they were brilliant at their jobs. I've had a quick count. I know 11 Supervisors or Assistant Supervisors. Only one could be described as a stickler of doing things by the rules. As long as you turn up, do your hours and at least attempt some training, you are ok. Most do really good jobs. They are responsible for the running of Creches, Daycare Centers, local theater/social or community centers, tidy towns, churchyard and sports fields, etc. The big problem I have with these schemes is - the work is there. These services are needed. So WHY not let people who want to work there full time do so. I agree it's all to do with massaging figures, but if 50% of those 70,000 were given permanent jobs, wouldn't it be great.

    You've been lucky.

    I know of quite a few cases like this sadly. Dog eat dog now unfortunately.

    example #4 http://www.askaboutmoney.com/showthread.php?t=181845


  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    danjo-xx wrote: »
    You've been lucky.
    I know of quite a few cases like this sadly. Dog eat dog now unfortunately.
    example #4 http://www.askaboutmoney.com/showthread.php?t=181845

    I do feel for those people. NO ONE should be allowed get away with such behaviour. I hope they have the strength to report it - to FAS area managers or at least Scheme sponsors. There is NO excuse for such behaviour.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭zenno


    I do feel for those people. NO ONE should be allowed get away with such behaviour. I hope they have the strength to report it - to FAS area managers or at least Scheme sponsors. There is NO excuse for such behaviour.

    Or their local TD ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭CarrieLee


    Has anyone had a probation document to fill out for the Tús scheme?

    Just wondering about anyone who has issues with the (enforced nature) of the scheme - did you voice these concerns on the probation document or just stick to general comments about the work you've been doing?

    There is also a space on the form for supervisor comments - I don't think mine will have much good to say about me!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭dubscribe


    I have just read about the appalling way in which headlights is currently being treated on a CE Scheme - see: http://www.askaboutmoney.com/showthread.php?t=181845

    It is quite possible that there is a person in FAS who's job it is, is to monitor what is being said about the organisation, good and bad. I know this because when I was a media monitor, working for a media monitoring company, we frequently monitored on behalf of such organisations, and reported daily, weekly or monthly, depending on the amount of media coverage that they were receiving.

    Why are FAS tolerating such appalling bad press???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭dubscribe


    CarrieLee,

    We rarely do, but there's no reason why you can't ask to read this report since it is specifically about you - AFTER the supervisor has completed their section - Freedom of Information and all that. Oh, and make your request when you return said document. Then the supervisor will be made aware that their comments will be open to scrutiny, might make them more cautious about the comments, especially if they feel you will challenge them, if you believe them to be inaccurate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭jos22


    anyone know how long it takes them to sort tax on tus scheme being on emergency tax now for 2 months, rang the tax office 3 times no change,
    they keep telling me to get on to the TUS crew, tus crew just say ring the tax office again


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 toadettee


    toadettee wrote: »
    i havent heard back from my interview place whether i have to go tomorrow or not. how hard is it to read an email and write a reply... maybe ill ask for their job as they are clearly incompetent. i can understand the negativity at this scheme as it hasnt exactly been lighting my world on fire so far.

    So I heard back yesterday, they rang asking if I wanted to work in a charity shop. Ah no thanks. Then got another phonecall, sales and admin for a company, I am a web designer but have agreed to go for the interview, oh and back to education is deemed a payment that can make you eligible for it, apparently,even though I was working part time and paying stamps until March this year. Whole scheme makes no sense really. If I was working every weekend how is this deemed unemployed ??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭jos22


    toadettee wrote: »
    So I heard back yesterday, they rang asking if I wanted to work in a charity shop. Ah no thanks. Then got another phonecall, sales and admin for a company, I am a web designer but have agreed to go for the interview, oh and back to education is deemed a payment that can make you eligible for it, apparently,even though I was working part time and paying stamps until March this year. Whole scheme makes no sense really. If I was working every weekend how is this deemed unemployed ??


    they want you off the numbers, no other reason,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭dubscribe


    jos22 wrote: »
    anyone know how long it takes them to sort tax on tus scheme being on emergency tax now for 2 months, rang the tax office 3 times no change,
    they keep telling me to get on to the TUS crew, tus crew just say ring the tax office again


    At this stage what I would recommend is that you get your employers RSI number, go into the tax office yourself and give them your employers RSI No. They will also want your RSI number and you also need to bring with a letter from your TUS supervisior that you are now employed by "such & such a group/organisation / whatever" as a TUS worker.

    The tax office will then send a new tax cert to your new TUS employer and a copy to you. Your new tax code will then be applied to your wages, y
    our emergency tax will be repaid to you by your TUS employer and everything should be sorted.

    Good luck.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭jos22


    dubscribe wrote: »
    At this stage what I would recommend is that you get your employers RSI number, go into the tax office yourself and give them your employers RSI No. They will also want your RSI number and you also need to bring with a letter from your TUS supervisior that you are now employed by "such & such a group/organisation / whatever" as a TUS worker.

    The tax office will then send a new tax cert to your new TUS employer and a copy to you. Your new tax code will then be applied to your wages, y
    our emergency tax will be repaid to you by your TUS employer and everything should be sorted.

    Good luck.

    that what they have being doing I current have 3 copies of the tax cert and they sent TUS 3 copies,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭dubscribe


    jos22 wrote: »
    that what they have being doing I current have 3 copies of the tax cert and they sent TUS 3 copies,

    Well then the fault clearly lies with your TUS employer and you need to get onto your TUS Supervisor and ask them to help get this sorted. This is intolerable. It's bad enough we only get paid an extra 20 euros a week, but with emergency tax currently being taken off you, you most likely are coming out with less money than if your were just on the dole.

    Being on a TUS scheme is supposed to NOT leave you financially worse off. I think you need to point this out to your TUS Supervisor and plead in particular to help get this sorted because you need the money that's been withheld for Xmas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 toadettee


    jos22 wrote: »
    they want you off the numbers, no other reason,

    Gas out when it suits them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,334 ✭✭✭DenMan


    I finished my TUS placement this day last week! I had a great time during the course of the year. Being honest it just flew through. I was allowed to use my skills and attributes and bring them to my placement. I was teaching for the year and also helping with the computers. It was brilliant. The day I finished I attended an interview for a very similar position and on Wednesday got confirmation that I had succeeded in getting the new position. I’m thrilled and I start this Monday. The TUS staff that I was in contact over the year were great and gave me a glowing reference. I hope those who are currently on the scheme enjoy their time on it and that it will help to open doors for them that were previously not opened. It’s easier to get a job when you already have one. Good luck everyone! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 601 ✭✭✭rsole1


    DenMan wrote: »
    I finished my TUS placement this day last week! I had a great time during the course of the year. Being honest it just flew through. I was allowed to use my skills and attributes and bring them to my placement. I was teaching for the year and also helping with the computers. It was brilliant. The day I finished I attended an interview for a very similar position and on Wednesday got confirmation that I had succeeded in getting the new position. I’m thrilled and I start this Monday. The TUS staff that I was in contact over the year were great and gave me a glowing reference. I hope those who are currently on the scheme enjoy their time on it and that it will help to open doors for them that were previously not opened. It’s easier to get a job when you already have one. Good luck everyone! :)

    Well done, and good luck to you for the future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 tusnumber000


    Very interesting reading here today. I got my first letter in the tus process last week ,im slightly disturbed. Sent it back with a yes, didnt seem to have much choice at this stage. Feels like someone with a death camp badge and a large alsatian has entered my life !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭CarrieLee


    Feels like someone with a death camp badge and a large alsatian has entered my life !

    Exactly!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭CarrieLee


    jos22 wrote: »
    anyone know how long it takes them to sort tax on tus scheme being on emergency tax now for 2 months, rang the tax office 3 times no change,
    they keep telling me to get on to the TUS crew, tus crew just say ring the tax office again

    This shouldn't be happening. I was only emergency taxed for 2/3 weeks and after that got the money back.

    All I had to do was make one phone call to the tax office and it was sorted. I hope you get it sorted out soon!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭CarrieLee


    Has anyone else actually had a Tus probation document to fill out - or is it just me? Is this something everyone gets or am I a special case?!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭CarrieLee


    This post has been deleted.

    I feel like I'm back at school in the naughty corner!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 tusnumber000


    I just love the words random "Selection process". Why dont they just build large camps for the unemployed and tattoo on number on our forehead !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22 tusnumber000


    Just found this , may be of interest and comment :)

    Tús – Community Work Placement Guidance Notes
    1 Selection of Organisation providing work placements
    1.1 The selection of placement providers and the work to be undertaken shall be conducted in a fair, equitable, transparent and impartial manner.
    1.2 The Implementing Bodies shall advertise and promote Tús widely in its area of operation. Such advertisement or promotion need not be confined to the print media and can take form of direct approach, canvassing, information events and other promotional activities.
    1.3 Given the nature of Tús it may not be possible to satisfy all applications from placement providers.
    1.4 The application process should enable reasonable detailed work profiles and outputs to be determined, including timetables for completion of various tasks being put forward under the application, the risks and costs associated with delivery. The application process shall include question that establish the:
    1.4.1 Eligibility and capacity of the organisation for support and the work to undertaken
    1.4.2 Profile of the work to be undertaken, availability and duration of the work placement
    1.4.3 Reasonableness of any costs involved for the placement provider or the Implementing Body, if relevant
    1.4.4 Displacement or deadweight; and
    1.4.5 Other matters that the implementing Body may consider relevant.

    1.5 It is a matter for the Board of the Implementation Body to select the placement providers and to put in place suitable arrangements for the identification, application, selection and approval of work placements should be agreed by the Board
    1.6 The selection and assessment process shall ensure that all applications from placement providers are evaluated against agreed criteria. These processes will consider matters of work quality, local management capacity, suitability, that a participant will not fill a vacancy for a permanent job, displacement, deadweight and value for money. Additional criteria may apply.
    1.7 Work placements are required to be of sufficient quality in terms of working environment and conditions, tasks to be undertaken, capacity of the organisation proposing the work placement to guide the task, the contribution of the work to the wellbeing of the community; and the extent to which the work placement will support the objectives of the organisation proposing the work placement and the promotion of voluntary effort.
    1.8 In selecting work placements, the Implementing Body will ensure that such work will not displace existing commercial and/or public activity or duplicate service provision by another agency or body. The Implementing Body must determine the degree to which the work placement would have been carried without assistance. The evaluation committee will make sufficient enquiries and assess:
    1.8.1 Deadweight – this is an assessment of the output which would have occurred regardless of the work placement and the work undertaken;
    1.8.2 Displacement – this will examine the degree to which the work placement outputs have occurred at the expense of other outputs (i.e. do the outputs results in a reduction of outputs within the area?)
    1.8.3 Substitution – the likelihood that an organisation substitutes one activity for one that can be undertaken with the support of Tús (such as offering a work placement while another employee loses a job) to take advantage of the assistance offered by Tús.
    1.9 It is unlawful to discriminate against persons on the grounds of gender, sexual orientation, marital or parental status, religion, age, disability, race, colour, language, nationality and national or ethnic orientation, including membership of the travelling community. The legislation makes discrimination unlawful not only in the workplace but also in the provision of goods, facilities and services, including recreational facilities and services.
    1.10 The Implementing Body is required to reflect equality of opportunity in assessing applications by placement providers and is directed not to place persons in work placements where a policy of discrimination by the placement provider operates, or is likely to operate in the future. This applies even if there is no complaint of discrimination.


    2 Eligible Organisation
    2.1 Implementing Bodies will play the lead-roll in identifying Community and Voluntary Organisations and work opportunities. Those organisations eligible to participate shall be
    2.1.1 Community, voluntary and not-for-profit in natire; and
    2.1.2 Have a recognised informal or formal/legal structure (parish/community committee, a company limited by guarantee, not-for-profit co-operative or friendly society where profits or surpluses are not distributed to members, registered charities, trade, sporting, cultural or other associations); and
    2.1.3 Demonstrate a track record of working with or providing services to and within their communities; and
    2.1.4 Demonstrate a capability of managing the candidate in the placement with the supervisory support of the Implementing Body.
    2.2 Individuals, private or public bodies, schools, colleges and commercial entities (for profit bodies or organisations) are not eligible to participate.


    3 Eligible Work
    3.1 Selected work opportunities must fall within the following broad categories of work;
    3.1.1 Energy conservation work in homes and community buildings.
    3.1.2 Social care of persons of all age groups and persons with a disability or limited mobility.
    3.1.3 Caretaking, securing, supervising of community buildings and spaces
    3.1.4 Renovation of community and sporting facilities, including the regeneration and enhancement of community, recreation and sporting spaces
    3.1.5 Work in support of the promotion of the Irish language, other cultural and heritage activities
    3.1.6 Community administration, research, and community event management
    3.1.7 Coaching for sporting activity (where operated by designated sport organisations)
    3.1.8 Repair of equipment for the developing world – farm tools, bicycles, computers, sewing machines, health equipment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,099 ✭✭✭jos22


    CarrieLee wrote: »
    Has anyone else actually had a Tus probation document to fill out - or is it just me? Is this something everyone gets or am I a special case?!

    never heard of it, what do they want to know,

    only thing I get is time sheet to fill out hours I did,
    speaking of which what do decemeber 25th 26th and jan 1st count as on that sheet

    do we just fill it in as 8 hours day or what


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭terryduff12


    Hi my query doing secretary work for local soccer club so there out doing fundraising had to send out texts for volunteers 2 out of 30 replied back couldn't do it. now I have a message on my desk asking will I be able to do it for 1 or 2 hours also have a phone that they gave me that they want me to top up and then get in contact with someone for the money? so do I have to go out and stand with a bucket? never told I would have to do it and theirs a head coach he`s been paid I would imagine so not exactly community work if some of the money would be paying him


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 502 ✭✭✭badker


    Its for 1 or hours? hardly back breaking work holding a bucket. If they have treated you well up to now, then my advise would be to give them a dig out. They are paying for your phone credit. All fundraising goes back into a Club. The coach getting paid has nothing to do with your situation to be honest.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 505 ✭✭✭terryduff12


    Not sure really no one has said anything 1-2 hours, if there own members haven't any interested don`t see why I should be out there, its phone for the club texting club business. have my own phone don't be asking them for credit when I need it and don't wanna be chasing for money im owed. also if im out doing fundraising I would like to know where it is actually going after all what have we learned last few weeks. all money goes into club is that money going to be paying for Christmas meals like the one they went to last week got invite but didn't attend.


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