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Man burned to death in Phoenix Park

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  • #32
    Auldloon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭Auldloon


    Agreed, any mention of that horse in this thread is majorly disrespectful to the poor cratur that died.


  • #33
    KyussBishop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    For a better idea about homelessness and why people sleep rough, this is a good (albeit very depressing) article - it's from New York but just as applicable in many respects:
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/13/homeless-nyc-people-you-meet


    It's sick that someone could be murdered like this - targeting a vulnerable/homeless person while asleep (can't see how that would be anything other than unprovoked).

    As if being homeless itself isn't bad enough, this will be running through the psyche of other homeless people now (particularly those sleeping rough...), knowing that there are people out there who dehumanize homeless people so much, that they would do something as fúcked up as this.


  • #34
    tin79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭tin79


    KyussBishop wrote: »
    For a better idea about homelessness and why people sleep rough, this is a good (albeit very depressing) article - it's from New York but just as applicable in many respects:
    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/oct/13/homeless-nyc-people-you-meet


    It's sick that someone could be murdered like this - targeting a vulnerable/homeless person while asleep (can't see how that would be anything other than unprovoked).

    As if being homeless itself isn't bad enough, this will be running through the psyche of other homeless people now (particularly those sleeping rough...), knowing that there are people out there who dehumanize homeless people so much, that they would do something as fúcked up as this.

    I would think there is a high chance that another homeless person might have done this no? There was a community of them there. It might not have been a passing scummer as some are suggesting. High incidence of mental illness in the homeless population and plenty of sbstance abuse too (not all of course but a raised fraction maybe).


  • #35
    Agonist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,329 ✭✭✭Agonist


    tin79 wrote: »
    I would think there is a high chance that another homeless person might have done this no? There was a community of them there. It might not have been a passing scummer as some are suggesting. High incidence of mental illness in the homeless population and plenty of sbstance abuse too (not all of course but a raised fraction maybe).

    Hang on, it's extremely rare for mental illness to cause someone to murder or inflict any abuse, for that matter. Certainly a way smaller likelihood than plain old anger or hatred.

    Have a read of http://www.seechange.ie/ . There's still a lot of unfounded prejudice against the mentally ill out there.


  • #36
    AlanS181824
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    Horrible way to die, may he RIP


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  • #37
    R.D. aka MR.D
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    I was at a court case a good few years ago and two men in there 40's/50's who were drinking in an abandoned house. One of the men got into a fight with the other and killed him with a wine bottle. He then set his body on fire.

    I thought of that immediately when i heard about this case. Obviously it could be a totally different scenario but it goes to show these things happen.

    http://www.herald.ie/news/courts/man-kicked-his-friend-to-death-over-family-insult-27888178.html


  • #38
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    A terrible way to die, I can't begin to imagine it.

    I'd liken it to notoriously gruesome Mafia hits such as Tony 'the Ant' Spilotro grinding Billy M'Carthys head in a vice or John Gotti severing John Favara's still alive body with a chainsaw. (Favara had accidently run over and killed Gotti's 12 year old son Frankie in 1980.)


  • #39
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    I cannot fathom out the mindset of anyone who would do something like this.
    As someone who is absolutely opposed to the death penalty, after reading about this case I can sympathise with those who call for it!
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/man-found-dead-in-phoenix-park-was-beaten-and-set-on-fire-1.1612421

    "A postmortem by State Pathologist Prof Marie Cassidy last evening found he had been beaten and then set on fire."

    Depraved sociopathic bastards whoever they are!


  • #40
    KilOit
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    Funny that no one is really bothering with this story, and yet such a uproar about a horse that turned out to be half bull****


  • #41
    vicwatson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,417 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    KilOit wrote: »
    Funny that no one is really bothering with this story, and yet such a uproar about a horse that turned out to be half bull****

    Ireland has become immune to human death. That's where we're at unfortunately :mad:


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  • #42
    Mariasofia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Mariasofia


    KilOit wrote: »
    Funny that no one is really bothering with this story, and yet such a uproar about a horse that turned out to be half bull****

    Well give them time.....its been less than 10mins since posted and its only quarter to 10!! :)


  • #43
    KilOit
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    Mariasofia wrote: »
    Well give them time.....its been less than 10mins since posted and its only quarter to 10!! :)

    I read about this yesterday


  • #44
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    KilOit wrote: »
    Funny that no one is really bothering with this story, and yet such a uproar about a horse that turned out to be half bull****

    There was a thread about this last night.


  • #45
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    There was a thread about this last night.

    Sorry couldn't find another thread on this, mods feel free to merge.


  • #46
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057094007


  • #47
    mackeire
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    Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »
    Sorry couldn't find another thread on this, mods feel free to merge.

    Or just close this one


  • #48
    vicwatson
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    AlanS181824 wrote: »
    Horrible way to die, may he RIP

    Confirmed male ????


  • #49
    Guffy
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    I wonder if it has any link to the horse burning?


  • #50
    Hootanany
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    Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »
    Sorry couldn't find another thread on this, mods feel free to merge.

    its about 3 below this one:confused:


  • #51
    Banjo String
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    gufc21 wrote: »
    I wonder if it has any link to the horse burning?

    :confused:


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  • #52
    Guffy
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    Banjo String wrote: »
    :confused:

    Yea a case of typing before thinking. I'm sure it would have to be a line of enquiry though I know its an escalation but there it does seem odd they are within a week of each other. That was my train of thought anyway


  • #53
    Sunnyisland
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    A terrible way to die, I can't begin to imagine it.

    I'd liken it to notoriously gruesome Mafia hits such as Tony 'the Ant' Spilotro grinding Billy M'Carthys head in a vice or John Gotti severing John Favara's still alive body with a chainsaw. (Favara had accidently run over and killed Gotti's 12 year old son Frankie in 1980.)

    I wouldent liken it to them at all,they were all organised hits where as this IMO is just an unprovoked attract on a helpless homeless person,

    Not that it makes much difference to any of the people murdered.


  • #54
    seamus
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    There's always someone who can't wait to be outraged about people's lack of outrage :rolleyes:
    The story yesterday morning was that this guy had probably fallen asleep with a cigarette and his sleeping bag went on fire. People die in fires all the time and you don't see ten page threads about it.

    Now that the death is believed to be a murder you can be pretty sure people will take more notice.

    I just hope the poor guy was dead or unconscious before being set on fire :(


  • #55
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    Hootanany wrote: »
    its about 3 below this one:confused:
    it wasn't when I started it, but sure any chance for a cheap shot!


  • #56
    SparkySpitfire
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    KilOit wrote: »
    Funny that no one is really bothering with this story, and yet such a uproar about a horse that turned out to be half bull****

    Or cos it's early on a Saturday morning


  • #57
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    gufc21 wrote: »
    Yea a case of typing before thinking. I'm sure it would have to be a line of enquiry though I know its an escalation but there it does seem odd they are within a week of each other. That was my train of thought anyway

    Jesus. I hope not.

    R. I. P to the poor fella.


  • #58
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,119 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    wretcheddomain wrote: »
    Are you seriously worried about this? :confused:
    Well this has 40 replies.
    The horse thread has 276 replies.


  • #59
    danniemcq
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    Threads Merged


  • #60
    My name is URL
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    wazky wrote: »
    Its insane that we still have people sleeping rough in such an affluent country.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/homeless-man-found-dead-in-phoenix-park-had-130k-in-bank-account-29803429.html
    'Homeless' man found dead in Phoenix Park had €130k in bank account

    A MAN who was killed while living rough in the Phoenix Park had around €130,000 in a bank account after selling his home eight years ago.

    The victim is understood to be a Gerry Donnelly, who formerly lived in Tallaght in south Co Dublin.

    Gardai said the victim, who was in his late 30s, had opted to live outdoors in the Phoenix Park on occasions as a "lifestyle" choice and was not a typical homeless person.

    Officers last night confirmed a report in the Irish Independent yesterday that he had owned a house and had access to money.

    They believe Mr Donnelly sometimes carried relatively large sums of money on him and had a considerable amount of cash with him in his sleeping bag.

    Just goes to show that wealth or access to resources isn't always the cause for homelessness


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  • #61
    [-0-]
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    Plenty of people have done it in an attempt to gain a different outlook on life. There have been a good few documentaries on homelessness, whereby the protagonist slept rough for months.

    One of my favourite authors, John Moriarty, was homeless in London for a period. This wasn't by choice, he was literally penniless. George Orwell (Eric Blair) did it in order to be able to write about the lower levels of society accurately.


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