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Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15 Mod Warning post #6011

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  • #5372
    Lennonist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Lennonist


    The lads on Second Captains discussed this issue with Scottish journalist Alex Massie from The Spectator. Worth a listen.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/second-captains


  • #5373
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Antifa161 wrote: »
    Who is talking about songs? The matter at hand is quite clearly a banner.

    Do you even think before you post or are you too preoccupied with pandering to a certain group on here?

    You do realise one of the main issues the banners were highlighting was the fact Celtic fans have been banned from singing Roll of Honour

    Seems like you need to know what your talking about before you post!


  • #5374
    Antifa161
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 438 ✭✭Antifa161


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    You do realise one of the main issues the banners were highlighting was the fact Celtic fans have been banned from singing Roll of Honour

    Seems like you need to know what your talking about before you post!
    It's not just songs that are the issue here, and the current discussion is regarding an investigation into a banner, not a song.


  • #5375
    Broxi_Bear_Eire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Antifa161 wrote: »
    It's the criminalisation of Irish culture and history in Scotland, it's the same issue.

    Pretty sure the GB said Saturdays banner was about remembering Pira Volunteers first and foremost. Sorry but if that is the case it is wrong IMO


  • #5376
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,923 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Antifa161 wrote: »
    Who is talking about songs? The matter at hand is quite clearly a banner.

    ok then, so what does this mean?
    Antifa161 wrote: »
    It's the criminalisation of Irish culture and history in Scotland, it's the same issue.


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  • #5377
    Lennonist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Lennonist


    Did anyone listen to the podcast I linked to?

    The Scottish journalist, Alex Massie, that they interviewed said - in his opinion - that the "Offensive Behaviour at Football Act" is an overreaction to songs like "The Roll of Honour" or "The Sash" being sung at football matches, and only serves to make a bigger issue out of it. I tend to agree with him.


  • #5378
    PauloMN
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,883 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Lennonist wrote: »
    Did anyone listen to the podcast I linked to?

    The Scottish journalist, Alex Massie, that they interviewed said - in his opinion - that the "Offensive Behaviour at Football Act" is an overreaction to songs like "The Roll of Honour" or "The Sash" being sung at football matches, and only serves to make a bigger issue out of it. I tend to agree with him.

    I somehow ended up watching this.... sweet jesus:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmGjiokfQ2A

    Edit: Lennonist, which date is the podcast you are talking about, and how far in is the relevant bit?


  • #5379
    Eirebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    PauloMN wrote: »
    I somehow ended up watching this.... sweet jesus:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmGjiokfQ2A

    Pffft! Want me to dig out the "Celtic Fans Attempt To Name Vegetables" video? :pac:


  • #5380
    PauloMN
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,883 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Pffft! Want me to dig out the "Celtic Fans Attempt To Name Vegetables" video? :pac:

    Seen it, not a bad effort, but that one of your lot more than trumps it! :p


  • #5381
    Lennonist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Lennonist


    PauloMN wrote: »
    I somehow ended up watching this.... sweet jesus:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmGjiokfQ2A


    Saw that as well:pac:. Very warped mindset, not representative of the majority of Rangers fans I would say. The guy in the England shirt said if Scotland voted for Independence he would go to Wales because England is full of immigrants, hilarious.


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  • #5382
    Eirebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    PauloMN wrote: »
    Seen it, not a bad effort, but that one of your lot more than trumps it! :p
    Lennonist wrote: »
    Saw that as well:pac:. Very warped mindset, not representative of the majority of Rangers fans I would say. The guy in the England shirt said if Scotland voted for Independence he would go to Wales because England is full of immigrants, hilarious.

    Funkin' embarrassing it is, but for me part of a bigger issue within Glasgow and Scotland, where certain perceptions and stereotypes are used all too easily to group all football supporters into those brackets creating a never ending circle of division and detracting from the social issues shared by the majority on both sides.

    Of course, there's also those who aim for, and romanticise those stereotypes....


  • #5383
    Lennonist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Lennonist


    PauloMN wrote: »
    I somehow ended up watching this.... sweet jesus:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmGjiokfQ2A

    Edit: Lennonist, which date is the podcast you are talking about, and how far in is the relevant bit?

    It's today's podcast. The interview with Alex Massie is about 2/3rds into the 1 hour soccer section.


  • #5384
    PauloMN
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 10,883 Mod ✭✭✭✭PauloMN


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Funkin' embarrassing it is, but for me part of a bigger issue within Glasgow and Scotland, where certain perceptions and stereotypes are used all too easily to group all football supporters into those brackets creating a never ending circle of division and detracting from the social issues shared by the majority on both sides.

    Of course, there's also those who aim for, and romanticise those stereotypes....

    Ahhh Eirebear.... dry your eyes, we all know you're not quite as bad as that.... :pac:


  • #5385
    Eirebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    PauloMN wrote: »
    Ahhh Eirebear.... dry your eyes, we all know you're not quite as bad as that.... :pac:

    Yet! You lot keep pushing my buttons and you never know! ;)


  • #5386
    Broxi_Bear_Eire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Lennonist wrote: »
    Did anyone listen to the podcast I linked to?

    The Scottish journalist, Alex Massie, that they interviewed said - in his opinion - that the "Offensive Behaviour at Football Act" is an overreaction to songs like "The Roll of Honour" or "The Sash" being sung at football matches, and only serves to make a bigger issue out of it. I tend to agree with him.

    Think that Massie will find that the sash is not on the offensive songs list it is judged to be of the same ilk as the Fields of Athenry and as much as I hate the song it is a totally different thing than Roll of Honour


  • #5387
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,923 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Pffft! Want me to dig out the "Celtic Fans Attempt To Name Vegetables" video? :pac:

    yes please :pac:


  • #5388
    Eirebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »
    yes please :pac:

    There's definitely a longer version kicking about, Peter Lawwel must have had it removed. ;)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd_NSbZOLsU


  • #5389
    Lennonist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Lennonist


    Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »
    Think that Massie will find that the sash is not on the offensive songs list it is judged to be of the same ilk as the Fields of Athenry and as much as I hate the song it is a totally different thing than Roll of Honour

    What makes The Sash or The Fields of Athenry different from Roll of Honour? Time passed?


  • #5390
    Lennonist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Lennonist


    Eirebear wrote: »
    There's definitely a longer version kicking about, Peter Lawwel must have had it removed. ;)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd_NSbZOLsU


    Courgettes and cucumbers look alike, it's good that they put labels on them.


  • #5391
    Broxi_Bear_Eire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Lennonist wrote: »
    What makes The Sash or The Fields of Athenry different from Roll of Honour? Time passed?

    It's certainly one of the things let's face it there's many people still alive that suffered losses and possibly injuries at the hands of the people the song is about. You could say it is to fresh in many peoples minds


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  • #5392
    Eirebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Lennonist wrote: »
    Courgettes and cucumbers look alike, it's good that they put labels on them.

    Labels help no one. ;)


  • #5393
    Lennonist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Lennonist


    Eirebear wrote: »
    Labels help no one. ;)

    They help when you go to the supermarket lookin for courgettes
    :pac:


  • #5394
    Antifa161
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 438 ✭✭Antifa161


    http://thecelticnetwork.com/2013/11/28/god-save-ireland-sung-drumbhoy/


  • #5395
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,553 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Antifa161 wrote: »
    http://thecelticnetwork.com/2013/11/28/god-save-ireland-sung-drumbhoy/

    Some fair points it has to be said


  • #5396
    Lennonist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Lennonist


    Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »
    It's certainly one of the things let's face it there's many people still alive that suffered losses and possibly injuries at the hands of the people the song is about. You could say it is to fresh in many peoples minds

    Many people still alive suffered at the hands of the British forces that are celebrated every November for a month on TV, in football stadiums and other places.

    It's impossible to draw a line on things like that, without being arbitrary or capriscious as that journalist on the podcast put it.


  • #5397
    Hagar the Nice.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Hagar the Nice.


    The meeting at Ibrox last night,20 mins in,part 2 typical,is it any wonder RFC are trying to get the vid deleted?


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBiiEzhxu5E&feature=youtube_gdata_player

    Pt 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzO4uKsWhEw&feature=youtube_gdata_player


  • #5398
    Broxi_Bear_Eire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    Lennonist wrote: »
    Many people still alive suffered at the hands of the British forces that are celebrated every November for a month on TV, in football stadiums and other places.

    It's impossible to draw a line on things like that, without being arbitrary or capriscious as that journalist on the podcast put it.
    Maybe so but these people are remembering there dead in there own country.
    The simple fact is it is a song about members of proscribed organisations it is illegal under the law of the land to show any form of support it is also in the rules of the SFA / SPFL to show support in words etc of proscribed organisations under the Terrorism Act



    SPFL regulations say action can be taken if a person present at a match uses "words or conduct or displaying any writing or other thing which indicates support for, or affiliation to, or celebration of, or opposition to an organisation or group proscribed in terms of the Terrorism Act


  • #5399
    dublinbhoy88
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 503 ✭✭✭dublinbhoy88


    Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »
    Maybe so but these people are remembering there dead in there own country.
    The simple fact is it is a song about members of proscribed organisations it is illegal under the law of the land to show any form of support it is also in the rules of the SFA / SPFL to show support in words etc of proscribed organisations under the Terrorism Act



    SPFL regulations say action can be taken if a person present at a match uses "words or conduct or displaying any writing or other thing which indicates support for, or affiliation to, or celebration of, or opposition to an organisation or group proscribed in terms of the Terrorism Act
    Celtic fans won't bend the knee to this sectarian bigoted law, just like Celtic didn't bend the knee to the apartheid state that the six counties was during the troubles, croppies won't lie down


  • #5400
    Lennonist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Lennonist


    Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »
    Maybe so but these people are remembering there dead in there own country.
    The simple fact is it is a song about members of proscribed organisations it is illegal under the law of the land to show any form of support it is also in the rules of the SFA / SPFL to show support in words etc of proscribed organisations under the Terrorism Act



    SPFL regulations say action can be taken if a person present at a match uses "words or conduct or displaying any writing or other thing which indicates support for, or affiliation to, or celebration of, or opposition to an organisation or group proscribed in terms of the Terrorism Act

    Yes we know that and we know it's a load of nonsense, that's why there is continuing to be tedious boring arguments around these issues.

    On the one hand we have this indulgence in an annual poppyfest for a month - if it was a one day event there would be little or no objections to it - which seems to be getting bigger every year. Then at Ibrox a few months ago we have the spectacle of British armed forces servicemen parading around on the pitch while the crowd chants fck Bobby Sands and other things besides and they pose for photos with UVF banners. In contrast to this there is a zero tolerance approach to a few fans singing a song about IRA men who died on hunger strike 21 years ago. There is nothing sectarian about the Roll of Honour song, it's a commemorative song about volunteers who were members of an organisation - The PIRA - that is no longer active.

    Like I said before I tend to agree with the viewpoint of the journalist Alex Massie, that bringing in laws like the Offensive Behaviour at Football Act", is a complete overreaction, doesn't appear to be even handed and makes a bigger deal out of it and excacerbates the issues. Any chance that there might be a bit of maturity applied around these matters some time soon?


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  • #5401
    Hagar the Nice.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 984 ✭✭✭Hagar the Nice.


    I wonder how RFC fans,of whom there is still a large amount of Scotland fans would react if they were playing England and the English fans started cursing William Wallace.


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