Gardaí smash travelling gang.

P. Breathnach · 26-11-2013 02:01PM

washman3 wrote: »

Exactly the type of attitude that allows these vermin to exist in the first place.:mad:

So believing thatr those charged with a crime should be tried in a court is a wrong attitude? The alternative is mob justice, and tone of this thread does not inspire me to trust the wisdom of the mob.

All 7 ARE equally guilty.
All 7 left Dublin and travelled to Killenaule in the dead of night with the same intention, to terrorise and rob a totally innocent couple with 3 young kids.

And how do you know this?

Scum of the highest order that can count their lucky stars that they don't live in a country with a "less lenient" justice system.:mad:

It might be the case that our system is too lenient, but that's a debate for another thread.

kupus · 26-11-2013 02:12PM

P. Breathnach wrote: »

So believing thatr those charged with a crime should be tried in a court is a wrong attitude? The alternative is mob justice, and tone of this thread does not inspire me to trust the wisdom of the mob.

And how do you know this?

It might be the case that our system is too lenient, but that's a debate for another thread.

ah come off it P. What do you think 7 lads in cars were going down to do?
do you think 1 or 2 were coerced to go?
Another 1 to make the tea and cookies while the others were bating the head off the victim.

This is making a mockery of the justice industry and you are making a mockery of the victims saying that MAYBE ONE of the 7 lads are not guilty.

Each should get the same treatment. Remember they're all in it together.

Boombastic · 26-11-2013 02:14PM

cry me a river

Dyr · 26-11-2013 02:16PM

P. Breathnach wrote: »

So believing thatr those charged with a crime should be tried in a court is a wrong attitude? The alternative is mob justice, and tone of this thread does not inspire me to trust the wisdom of the mob.

And how do you know this?

It might be the case that our system is too lenient, but that's a debate for another thread.

A century or two ago we could have set the dogs on them and given them a good hiding with sticks before handing them over to the courts for their proper serving of formal justice

I dont think the modern judicial system reflects this adequately

kupus · 26-11-2013 02:35PM

Bambi wrote: »

I dont think the modern judicial system reflects this adequately

The modern judicial system is not a system, its an industry. Thats the difference.
Peoples careers and livelihood depend on it. The more court cases the more employment.

P. Breathnach · 26-11-2013 02:54PM

kupus wrote: »

ah come off it P. What do you think 7 lads in cars were going down to do?...

I don't know. I don't know anything about them. I don't know who they are, where they were, what they did.

I do know what was reported on radio, in the press, and online. I have no real idea how accurate the reports are (but I do accept that they might be fully accurate).

Nevertheless, I would be happy for a trial to take place rather than have the matter decided by people who are driven more by anger than by information.

I think it likely that there have been more miscarriages of justice by the mob than there have been in the courts.

degsie · 28-11-2013 04:59PM

The seven were to reappear in court today. I heard nothing on the news about what happened at today's hearing. Is this a non-news item already?

end of the road · 28-11-2013 06:43PM

madred006 wrote: »

That's the tug at the heart strings card in the hope that a bit of pity will come their way . Sickening thing about it is that it will work about 50% of the time .Prison while it is a stumbling block to them is not a deterrent and more strenuous investigations by CAB for example wouldn't go amiss . Only way to hurt them is hit their pockets .

doesn't work, whatever cab get, its usually replaced very quick and with a lot more, only so much can be done by cab

end of the road · 28-11-2013 06:46PM

Boombastic wrote: »

If she was, the child should be removed from their 'care' at birth

as much as it would be nice, it can't be done, its not illegal to wave at someone
outside the court, and its not as if the state exactly has a moral high-ground or good track record when it comes to children

Boombastic · 28-11-2013 06:50PM

end of the road wrote: »

as much as it would be nice, it can't be done, its not illegal to wave at someone
outside the court, and its not as if the state exactly has a moral high-ground or good track record when it comes to children

do you really believe she didn't know where he disappeared to at night, or where the money was coming from? That child has no chance

end of the road · 28-11-2013 06:51PM

WallyGUFC wrote: »

I don't think we need a trial to ascertain that these scumbags are guilty. Come on like.

oh? why? is the indo evidence enough? jesus if we tried people via the papers the whole country would probably be in prison

end of the road · 28-11-2013 06:56PM

washman3 wrote: »

Exactly the type of attitude that allows these vermin to exist in the first place.

lol, no, he's suggesting we wait for the trial and the evidence to be released before deciding for definite the guilt or innocence of these people, most modern countries abide by that, so no its no attitude that allows people to do such a thing.

washman3 wrote: »

All 7 ARE equally guilty.

proove it, what evidence do you have to prove that for definite.

washman3 wrote: »

All 7 left Dublin and travelled to Killenaule in the dead of night

true.

washman3 wrote: »

with the same intention

proove it, neither of us were there.

washman3 wrote: »

to terrorise and rob a totally innocent couple with 3 young kids.

thats what happened sadly

tom_k · 28-11-2013 06:59PM

degsie wrote: »

The seven were to reappear in court today. I heard nothing on the news about what happened at today's hearing. Is this a non-news item already?

I certainly hope not. I also searched news today and found nothing in relation to today's appearance. I expect that today would only be to further extend detention etc. and probably hear another few pleas for bail.

end of the road · 28-11-2013 06:59PM

Boombastic wrote: »

do you really believe she didn't know where he disappeared to at night, or where the money was coming from?

i don't know, i'm not a mind reader, i would never be able to prove what she knew or didn't know, maybe she knew about it all maybe she didn't.

Boombastic wrote: »

That child has no chance

possibly

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 28-11-2013 07:27PM

Boombastic wrote: »

That child has no chance

Absolutely, if we as a state and a society do not intervene now, then in all probability this child will end up with serious problems.
To deny that would be foolhardly and do the child no justice.

emo72 · 29-11-2013 12:55PM

One of them got bail yesterday. The others were all refused.

wextipp · 30-11-2013 09:22PM

emo72 wrote: »

they were vicious what they done to the lad. shoved a screwdriver up his nose and broke his eyesocket. depraved.

Talking to a few people in the area and nobody heard about this. They are certainly a depraved gang based on what has been reported but I don't think that happened.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 30-11-2013 10:14PM

wextipp wrote: »

Talking to a few people in the area and nobody heard about this. They are certainly a depraved gang based on what has been reported but I don't think that happened.

It didn't just shíte posted on the net to make a poster feel important.

emo72 · 30-11-2013 10:22PM

wextipp wrote: »

Talking to a few people in the area and nobody heard about this. They are certainly a depraved gang based on what has been reported but I don't think that happened.

well, i was told that on the thursday morning pretty soon after it happened. sorry if its not accurate. it stuck in my mind because it seemed so vicious.

wextipp · 01-12-2013 10:26AM

Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »

It didn't just shíte posted on the net to make a poster feel important.

It was a false story but it was a believable story, based on the behavior of these guys on the night. They terrorized the kids and badly beat their father. I believe they are well capable of doing something like that. Also you would change your opinions if you saw the menacing behavior of the mob that traveled down to Cashel to offer support to these guys at their court appearance. That's where the '****e' is.

In fairness to Pavee Point they have acknowledged the issues and are trying to deal with it as shown in this link.

tayto lover · 01-12-2013 06:40PM

wextipp wrote: »

It was a false story but it was a believable story, based on the behavior of these guys on the night. They terrorized the kids and badly beat their father. I believe they are well capable of doing something like that. Also you would change your opinions if you saw the menacing behavior of the mob that traveled down to Cashel to offer support to these guys at their court appearance. That's where the '****e' is.

In fairness to Pavee Point they have acknowledged the issues and are trying to deal with it as shown in this link.

That link shows nothing in fairness.
Where are Pavee Point when their people are feuding?
My daughter had a bad experience recently in Dundalk when a group of travelers attacked each other with hatchets, slash hooks, knives etc inside and outside a church during a funeral. She was passing with her youngest child at the time and was very shook by what she witnessed.

http://talkofthetown.ie/2013/11/20/fight-breaks-out-during-funeral-in-dundalk/

Pavee Point are doing very little to prevent violence from what I can see.

I know some very decent travelers and they would have little to do with Pavee Point. It seems to be about employing a few of them with issues around their rights.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 01-12-2013 06:52PM

wextipp wrote: »

In fairness to Pavee Point they have acknowledged the issues and are trying to deal with it as shown in this link.

Since the majority of this gang are from the settled community, why would it be Pavee Point issue?

wextipp · 01-12-2013 07:58PM

Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »

Since the majority of this gang are from the settled community, why would it be Pavee Point issue?

I was talking in relation to the majority of the mob that turned up in Cashel to support the arrested guys. There were armed police and a police helicopter in the sky to deal with any potential problems.

Mint Aero · 02-12-2013 03:12AM

I hate that word 'settled'. What does it mean? You have travellers and you have settled travellers but I don't consider ordinary taxpaying citizens members of the 'settled' community lol. Am I missing something?

degsie · 17-12-2013 08:05PM

So, what's the latest? Are some of these pups still in jail? All gone quiet it seems....

Temptamperu · 17-12-2013 08:10PM

You cant count on the guards though, this is one gang the caught and as you said suspended sentence due to overcrowding.
Get yourself a weapon and beef up your house security. The government are happy to put a freeze on new guards and the criminals are better equipped and better funded than the police.
Its horrible typing this out but its the only way forward in a country worried about profit margins and not the people.

donvito99 · 17-12-2013 08:27PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

You cant count on the guards though, this is one gang the caught and as you said suspended sentence due to overcrowding.
Get yourself a weapon and beef up your house security. The government are happy to put a freeze on new guards and the criminals are better equipped and better funded than the police.
Its horrible typing this out but its the only way forward in a country worried about profit margins and not the people.

OR...

...don't buy into the fear.

end of the road · 17-12-2013 08:34PM

Mint Aero wrote: »

I hate that word 'settled'. What does it mean? You have travellers and you have settled travellers but I don't consider ordinary taxpaying citizens members of the 'settled' community lol. Am I missing something?

what about "ordinary" "non-taxpaying" citizens? or is it just travelers who don't pay tax? do you believe that any travelers pay tax?

wil · 17-12-2013 08:37PM

degsie wrote: »

So, what's the latest? Are some of these pups still in jail? All gone quiet it seems....

one got bail approved for 1000 plus 15000 independent surety:eek:

Mint Aero · 18-12-2013 05:17PM

end of the road wrote: »

what about "ordinary" "non-taxpaying" citizens? or is it just travelers who don't pay tax? do you believe that any travelers pay tax?

Where have you been?

The only non-taxpaying persons in Ireland would be people seeking refugee status imo. The people in the Mosney concentration camps that is. They're not citizens of the state.

Some travelers pay tax, even if they don't but are in receipt of social welfare, that's paying tax too. Tell everyone under 24 who are getting 100euros on the dole that they're aren't sacrificing 88 a week for taxes :P

Now, any idears what us "normies" are called? Not happy with this word settled because I was never anything else nor my ancestors.

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