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Season 4, Episode 7 - Dead weight [AMC] [SPOILERS]

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  • #62
    Washington Irving
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,066 ✭✭✭Washington Irving


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    Enjoyed the episode even if it was a logistical disaster. Hopefully next week we'll finally see the group leave the prison as they should have done much earlier and will finally tie up the loose ends regarding the Governor whether that be through his death or him taking the prison.

    Perhaps Mitch will turn on the Governor and is biding his time as suggested in the above post (tank anyone?).

    Would like to see Tara get killed off, she has replaced Carol (bar the odd moment) as my 'rolleyes' character. The way she was going on about the M4 at the start of the episode made me cringe. She has such an annoying demeanor and doesn't know when to stay quiet.


  • #63
    Jason Todd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Jason Todd


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    SaulGoode9 wrote: »
    Would like to see Tara get killed off, she has replaced Carol (bar the odd moment) as my 'rolleyes' character. The way she was going on about the M4 at the start of the episode made me cringe. She has such an annoying demeanor and doesn't know when to stay quiet.

    This. I'm assuming we're supposed to like her, but she has been nothing but annoying and cringeworthy thus far. It's a combo of an underwritten character and a bad actress imo.


  • #64
    Gbear
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    Jason Todd wrote: »
    This. I'm assuming we're supposed to like her, but she has been nothing but annoying and cringeworthy thus far. It's a combo of an underwritten character and a bad actress imo.

    It was pretty obvious that the M4 thing was supposed to make you cringe when her new girlfriend called her out on it.


  • #65
    Cork boy 55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,323 ✭✭✭Cork boy 55


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    Grimebox wrote: »
    .................... I'm getting too wound up by some posts, especially this piece of fan fiction.
    Keyzer wrote: »
    I'm sorry but this is total garbage and mindless rambling. You have no idea what you're talking about...



    ????????? :eek::eek::eek:

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    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS28d3u5zL99sFeuCb6pqhnFNcuPSUM1x6DXNTPaPU4sKop9D-m


  • #66
    Cork boy 55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,323 ✭✭✭Cork boy 55


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    Yakuza wrote: »
    So out of the *dozens* of people in the camp, no-one saw what the Govnernor did to Martinez? How did he manage to get the other body to the lake without anyone noticing? A leaky roof with no obvious precipitation? One minute the camp is deserted, the next it's swarming with inhabitants...this ep had more plot holes than a swiss cheese.


    There are no plot holes, none of these are plot holes.
    For Martinez's death, they were at the walker pits. When they were at the walker pits last episode, when Martinez first pulled the Cyclops and Penny 2.0 out of the pit, he said "We have a camp about a mile and a half from here."
    The lake is few miles from camp he threw it(pete the weak) on the back of the Pick up and headed it out there.
    It rained 10 minutes before hand and also the RV has a roof top water harvesting system
    Screams attract people.


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  • #67
    NufcNavan
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    The scene at the start when they're searching the house is ridiculous.

    How the hell do TWO walkers sneak up in a small room with four lads looking all around them. I suppose they're a new strain of zombies that just form in mid air and appear when needed.


  • #68
    McSasquatch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭McSasquatch


    5
    Feels like the last few episodes have had everyone just treading water til we get to this supposed big mid season finale.


  • #69
    willmunny1990
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭willmunny1990


    Love to see them leave the prison as soon as possible, its draging on a bit now and its starting to feel like the farm in season 2 at this stage.

    Surely the prison will fall very soon, hopefully next week. Its flimsy enough and the fact the Gov has a tank now surely spells the end


  • #70
    Jason Todd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Jason Todd


    7
    I'm enjoying this season anyway, and I enjoyed this episode even though I first thought two Guv-centred episodes in a row would be a bit much. I overlook little plot holes as pretty much any show I've watched and loved has them.

    The only time I did kind of groan at the writing was how easily Mitch rolled over, but a) that story is incomplete or b) if you really wanted to stretch an explanation you could say he's an army man, and just needs someone to lead him and to fall in behind :O
    I know that's stretching it though, obviously!

    I loved the way the ominous music from the last time the Gov assaulted the prison played as he approached the prison on his own at the end, thought that was a nice touch! Gets me on to the edge of my seat!


  • #71
    pixelburp
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    NufcNavan wrote: »
    The scene at the start when they're searching the house is ridiculous.

    How the hell do TWO walkers sneak up in a small room with four lads looking all around them. I suppose they're a new strain of zombies that just form in mid air and appear when needed.

    This is the problem right here, and the walker that was just standing behind the washing line in the middle of the camp at the end is equally symptomatic; the walkers are just a plot convenience when something dramatic or shocking is required to happen. There's nothing natural or organic about their presence in a scene half the time and are basically a crutch for the writers to use when they want to underline a point or shock the main characters a little - in fact they've become nothing more than a version of the 'Surprise Vehicle' trope.

    As for the increasingly polar arguments in this thread about the show in general, well firstly it's a discussion forum and everyone has a right to air their opinions no matter how positive or negative - this isn't a gushing fan forum and prior expertise shouldn't be a prerequisite to forming a view. Second, I dunno about others but I find the Walking Dead at times incredibly frustrating because it can be so wildly inconsistent. When it's good it's a very good TV drama, but when it's bad it's hamfisted stuff. It has lots of potential but constantly drops the ball when it comes to to some basics, be they narrative or characterisation/dialogue (this is definitely the shows weakest point). Yes it's better than most things on TV, but that's not really high praise


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  • #72
    Hyzepher
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    It's obvious that the brothers angle is important otherwise why have it in. It's likely to come back and impact the Gov at some point.

    I'm not sure why the Gov felt the need to kill Pete when a vote was imminent - given the apparent disapproval when Pete appointed himself. He could have taken Pete's suggestion to help and then taken power when the opportunity arose.

    From a writing perspective it only makes sense if the Gov is to have a complete meltdown and is ultimately betrayed by the brother in the end.


  • #73
    Yakuza
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,130 ✭✭✭Yakuza


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    Cork boy 55 wrote: »
    There are no plot holes, none of these are plot holes.
    For Martinez's death, they were at the walker pits. When they were at the walker pits last episode, when Martinez first pulled the Cyclops and Penny 2.0 out of the pit, he said "We have a camp about a mile and a half from here."
    I didn't think they'd waste fuel to drive the RV (drunk) to hit a few golf balls off the top of the RV, and they might have pits all over the place, it didn't look like the area of the pit they pulled the Guv and Penny 2.0 from.
    Cork boy 55 wrote: »
    The lake is few miles from camp he threw it(pete the weak) on the back of the Pick up and headed it out there.
    He got the corpse from the RV to the pickup without being seen by anyone at all? I know it was early, but given all the people in the camp, there's a high chance someone would be pottering around at all hours (and they have walker patrols as well, don't they?)
    Cork boy 55 wrote: »
    It rained 10 minutes before hand and also the RV has a roof top water harvesting system.
    Fair enough :)
    Cork boy 55 wrote: »
    Screams attract people.
    The camp just seemed to go from practically deserted to swarming with people in a very short time, surely people would be doing stuff during the day.

    I generally like the show but I just thought in this ep, just too many things were glossed over for my liking.


  • #74
    Flippyfloppy
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    Yakuza wrote: »
    The camp just seemed to go from practically deserted to swarming with people in a very short time, surely people would be doing stuff during the day.

    I generally like the show but I just thought in this ep, just too many things were glossed over for my liking.

    The way I interpreted it was that everyone was just enjoying the 'luxuries' of their mobile homes during the apocalypse, maybe it was a hot day in the south.


  • #75
    Keyzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


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    Cork boy 55 wrote: »
    There are no plot holes, none of these are plot holes.
    For Martinez's death, they were at the walker pits. When they were at the walker pits last episode, when Martinez first pulled the Cyclops and Penny 2.0 out of the pit, he said "We have a camp about a mile and a half from here."
    The lake is few miles from camp he threw it(pete the weak) on the back of the Pick up and headed it out there.
    It rained 10 minutes before hand and also the RV has a roof top water harvesting system
    Screams attract people.

    What are you talking about? It didn't rain once in that episode, I just went through it to check. The sun was practically beaming down in each shot.

    How in the name of satan could you possibly know where the lake is geographically located?

    You should change your name to Fan boy 55 and apply for a job as a writer with the AMC TWD. You'd fit right in...


  • #76
    Keyzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


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    pixelburp wrote: »
    This is the problem right here, and the walker that was just standing behind the washing line in the middle of the camp at the end is equally symptomatic; the walkers are just a plot convenience when something dramatic or shocking is required to happen. There's nothing natural or organic about their presence in a scene half the time and are basically a crutch for the writers to use when they want to underline a point or shock the main characters a little - in fact they've become nothing more than a version of the 'Surprise Vehicle' trope.

    As for the increasingly polar arguments in this thread about the show in general, well firstly it's a discussion forum and everyone has a right to air their opinions no matter how positive or negative - this isn't a gushing fan forum and prior expertise shouldn't be a prerequisite to forming a view. Second, I dunno about others but I find the Walking Dead at times incredibly frustrating because it can be so wildly inconsistent. When it's good it's a very good TV drama, but when it's bad it's hamfisted stuff. It has lots of potential but constantly drops the ball when it comes to to some basics, be they narrative or characterisation/dialogue (this is definitely the shows weakest point). Yes it's better than most things on TV, but that's not really high praise

    A+ for this post.

    Lots of good points being made, specifically:

    1. The use of zombies for shock effect - felt the same for a while myself. Te show feels like a soap opera with zombies playing a peripheral part.

    2. The show being better than a lot out there but that alone doesn't merit high praise - so true, there is a lot of crap out there and TWD is better than most, but that doesn't mean it excel's in anyway...

    We started off with a show, leaving aside the belief factor required for a zombie apocalypse, where it was really realistic. Think back to the first episode, Rick waking up in a hospital terrified, no idea whats going on.

    The remainder of season 1 and into season 2 followed suit, although I was starting to get bored with the farm after a while.

    After a great start to season 3, one of the best opening scenes in a movie or tv show I've seen, the writing started to get sloppy culminating in the Andrea death scene. That was totally ridiculous, why sit there talking to someone who's dying and about to turn into a zombie, you'd get the hell out of there ASAP. The anti-climactic finale was also poor writing.

    Season 4 started well but were back to the same silliness in regards writing...


  • #77
    LOSTfan57
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    Keyzer wrote: »
    A+ for this post.

    Lots of good points being made, specifically:

    1. The use of zombies for shock effect - felt the same for a while myself. Te show feels like a soap opera with zombies playing a peripheral part.

    2. The show being better than a lot out there but that alone doesn't merit high praise - so true, there is a lot of crap out there and TWD is better than most, but that doesn't mean it excel's in anyway...

    We started off with a show, leaving aside the belief factor required for a zombie apocalypse, where it was really realistic. Think back to the first episode, Rick waking up in a hospital terrified, no idea whats going on.

    The remainder of season 1 and into season 2 followed suit, although I was starting to get bored with the farm after a while.

    After a great start to season 3, one of the best opening scenes in a movie or tv show I've seen, the writing started to get sloppy culminating in the Andrea death scene. That was totally ridiculous, why sit there talking to someone who's dying and about to turn into a zombie, you'd get the hell out of there ASAP. The anti-climactic finale was also poor writing.

    Season 4 started well but were back to the same silliness in regards writing...

    Andreas behaviour was perfectly in theme with all previous behaviour thats consistent writing...and also theres a reason Mazzara was relieved of his duties. And that finale coulda been much worse Gimple reshot those final scenes to fix the mess.


  • #78
    MJ23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭MJ23


    8
    Great episode. Watched it last night. Had to resist the temptation all day of watching it on the phone.
    1 more episode and then a break until February. Is that right?


  • #79
    Jason Todd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Jason Todd


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    MJ23 wrote: »
    Great episode. Watched it last night. Had to resist the temptation all day of watching it on the phone.
    1 more episode and then a break until February. Is that right?

    Yup.


  • #80
    Wanderer2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,743 ✭✭✭Wanderer2010


    Ok, that was easily the worst episode I have seen. After a fairly slow start and even slower progression through the return of the Governor, I have finally seen the problem: AMC have copied and pasted the last few episodes of Season 3 and used that as a substitute for Season 4's mid season break. Theres no other explanation as to why they would bring back someone who by rights should have been killed off last season as his story had come to a natural end. So here we are, AGAIN, in a Prison VS Woodbury type setup. Rick gone a bit doolally? Check. The Governor wants the prison for himself? Check. He kill a few people to get his plan up and going? Check. He wants Michonne dead? Checkmate.

    This is classic weak storytelling in order to drag out a tv show which has a finite premise. Im going to give it one more episode to see if it can be salvaged but if it doesnt deliver then Im out. And its such a shame as I really enjoyed Seasons 1-3 but this whole prison setting, which now looks permanent, plus the Governor returning for more, has killed the show dead for me. The zombies dont even matter anymore, they are just background fodder with no real threat, the show is being milked to death and so many people cant even see it. Shame.


  • #81
    LOSTfan57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 682 ✭✭✭LOSTfan57


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    Wanderer2010 wrote: »
    Ok, that was easily the worst episode I have seen. After a fairly slow start and even slower progression through the return of the Governor, I have finally seen the problem: AMC have copied and pasted the last few episodes of Season 3 and used that as a substitute for Season 4's mid season break. Theres no other explanation as to why they would bring back someone who by rights should have been killed off last season as his story had come to a natural end. So here we are, AGAIN, in a Prison VS Woodbury type setup. Rick gone a bit doolally? Check. The Governor wants the prison for himself? Check. He kill a few people to get his plan up and going? Check. He wants Michonne dead? Checkmate.

    This is classic weak storytelling in order to drag out a tv show which has a finite premise. Im going to give it one more episode to see if it can be salvaged but if it doesnt deliver then Im out. And its such a shame as I really enjoyed Seasons 1-3 but this whole prison setting, which now looks permanent, plus the Governor returning for more, has killed the show dead for me. The zombies dont even matter anymore, they are just background fodder with no real threat, the show is being milked to death and so many people cant even see it. Shame.

    Wait Ricks dolally?
    And what makes you think the prison is permanent aswell?


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  • #82
    Wanderer2010
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,743 ✭✭✭Wanderer2010


    LOSTfan57 wrote: »
    Wait Ricks dolally?
    And what makes you think the prison is permanent aswell?

    He's not the same Rick at all, which is understandable given the life he is living but after Carol being turfed out he seems to be heading towards another mini breakdown which is just laziness on the part of the writers. The prison is a huge part of the comics and it looks as if the show is settling down there for a long time. Think about it the prison has been mentioned since the Season 2 finale and they have nowhere else to go but rather than wrapping up the show in the next season or so with a credible ending, they are dragging it out with long scenes where people are talking about morality etc and bringing back old characters to settle scores which should have been settled already, and all to the background of those omnipresent crickets which seep into every single silence in the show.

    Its lazy and its getting dragged out way beyond the point of enjoyment now..


  • #83
    LOSTfan57
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    Wanderer2010 wrote: »
    He's not the same Rick at all, which is understandable given the life he is living but after Carol being turfed out he seems to be heading towards another mini breakdown which is just laziness on the part of the writers. The prison is a huge part of the comics and it looks as if the show is settling down there for a long time. Think about it the prison has been mentioned since the Season 2 finale and they have nowhere else to go but rather than wrapping up the show in the next season or so with a credible ending, they are dragging it out with long scenes where people are talking about morality etc and bringing back old characters to settle scores which should have been settled already, and all to the background of those omnipresent crickets which seep into every single silence in the show.

    Its lazy and its getting dragged out way beyond the point of enjoyment now..

    I dont need to think about it as I've a fair idea whats in store for the rest of Season 4. But I dont see Rick loosing it at all anyway thats for sure and that was a first I ever saw that interpretation so it intrigued me. And regarding the GN look at the farm comparison. It was tiny in comic but yet huge for TV. The GN is only a guide. Theres the likes of Daryl aswell.
    and the comic has continued waaay past the prison arc so there is plenty to go yet ha


  • #84
    Wanderer2010
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    I agree with you that the comics are gone a long way and so might the show but longevity doesnt mean quality and its very hard to keep a show consistently entertaining and appealing for the fans, and the way the last few episodes are going its fast running out of ideas and heading for mediocrity fast.


  • #85
    LOSTfan57
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    Wanderer2010 wrote: »
    I agree with you that the comics are gone a long way and so might the show but longevity doesnt mean quality and its very hard to keep a show consistently entertaining and appealing for the fans, and the way the last few episodes are going its fast running out of ideas and heading for mediocrity fast.
    I cant say much other than we'll see haha


  • #86
    Cork boy 55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,323 ✭✭✭Cork boy 55


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    Keyzer wrote: »
    What are you talking about? It didn't rain once in that episode, I just went through it to check. The sun was practically beaming down in each shot.
    There was water on the roof. There was a hole in the roof. The effects of gravity pull the water down through the hole. I'm pretty sure this has nothing to do with lazy writing either, It just happens all by itself.
    A roof can leak without it being raining. It could have been water previously stored up there from when it was raining another time recently that started to slowly leak through now.
    I think it must have been raining off and on even though we didn't see it. It's the only thing I can think of that would explain why the road was that muddy later on, the one with all the walkers stuck in it.
    It had to have rained at some point look at all the walkers stuck in the mud. The trailer prob had a dent in the roof or whatever that held some rain water
    Also air-conditioners can cause leaks etc
    In Georgia it rains sometimes during summer and stops and its sunny and nice as if it hadnt rained at all other then some water here and there, the mud with the zombies stuck would tell me at some point it had rained, we just hadnt seen it. I think showing a scene of rain would of been more pointless then the scene of him trying to repair the hole. Rain happens, leaks happen. The point of showing him repairing it to me was him still struggling with being "normal" or at least viewing himself as "changed" and caring for this new found family. Which fit into him killing Martinez because he was talking too much about the "old" gov. I think to some extent the Gov is still fooling himself into thinking he is changed and that his actions are for the better good of his new "family"
    There is no plot holes
    Keyzer wrote: »
    How in the name of satan could you possibly know where the lake is geographically located?
    Google maps , also in the deep south one does not camp next to lakes because of mosquitoes

    Keyzer wrote: »
    You should change your name to Fan boy 55 and apply for a job as a writer with the AMC TWD. You'd fit right in...


    the-walking-dead-season-4-new-cast-and-promotional-photos-1_full22.jpg?w=640


  • #87
    P.Walnuts
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    Ok, couple of questions...

    What was the deal with the shack they investigated and the guys killed outsdie with signs on their bodies? My initial thought was it someone styling themselves on the govenor, maybe a survivor from woodbury?

    Also am I imaganing it, or did the Governor find a picture of a guy and his daughters in the shack, with like a handdrawn eye patch on the guy?

    Feel free to slate me if i've missed some fairly obvious explanations, I find my mind wonders during episodes


  • #88
    naughto
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,507 ✭✭✭naughto


    P.Walnuts wrote: »
    Ok, couple of questions...

    What was the deal with the shack they investigated and the guys killed outsdie with signs on their bodies? My initial thought was it someone styling themselves on the govenor, maybe a survivor from woodbury?

    Also am I imaganing it, or did the Governor find a picture of a guy and his daughters in the shack, with like a handdrawn eye patch on the guy?

    Feel free to slate me if i've missed some fairly obvious explanations, I find my mind wonders during episodes
    Also who killed the fellas in the 1st camp,the one that they passed on taking there supplies.


  • #89
    Cork boy 55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,323 ✭✭✭Cork boy 55


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    P.Walnuts wrote: »
    Ok, couple of questions...

    What was the deal with the shack they investigated and the guys killed outsdie with signs on their bodies? My initial thought was it someone styling themselves on the govenor, maybe a survivor from woodbury?

    Also am I imaganing it, or did the Governor find a picture of a guy and his daughters in the shack, with like a handdrawn eye patch on the guy?

    Feel free to slate me if i've missed some fairly obvious explanations, I find my mind wonders during episodes

    Among-est other thing the cabin scene shows us

    From another forum
    "Liar...Rapist....Murderer. Might as well say "Phillip" on each of the signs.
    By Mr. Murder's body is a family photo, a photo Brian regards closely.
    Now this is sooooo much speculation but this is what I got out of it.
    Liar and rapist did something to Murderer's wife and child, Murderer killed them (duh). Then something happens the wife and kid and they die. Maybe they were bitten, killed themselves, slipped on a banana peel...we don't know, all we know is they're dead. Now we're left with a father who has blood on his hands (his families, indirectly; Liar and Rapist, directly) and can't live with it, so pop goes the noggin.
    Brian sees this same thing (after finding Zomwife and Zomchild, at least). A man too good for his own good. A man who can't handle getting a little blood on his hands even when it's absolutely necessary. A weak man who couldn't protect his family and shows how dangerous the world is getting for small groups"

    It also's shows Martinez, Pete and Mitch as incompetents not clearing the cabin properly, drinking and yapping on a supply run and Martinez big mouth about the Brian's past.
    naughto wrote: »
    Also who killed the fellas in the 1st camp,the one that they passed on taking there supplies.

    We don't know
    A crew of Deadly ruthless "hunters"(who are hunting humans) of some size if there was 10 in the tent
    group there must be at least ten of them I'd guess.
    I suspect we will see them again post-prison arc. ;)

    The purpose is to show to Brian that the peaceful approach dicked them out of a bunch of supplies that they needed and heads back and takes his family on the road, feeling Pete is not a fit leader and that they aren't safe there.
    Brian decides to get out of the area and away from group BANG road blocked zombie pit. And this is where it happens. Where Brian realizes in order to protect his new family, he can't be Brian. He needs to be Phillip. Brian took them out of the camp, fearing the camp would soon fall apart, but look what's happened. He's led them right into a dangerous situation. He changes his mind and decides best course is to take the group for himself rather than running . So it's here he decides to embrace Phillip. The governor .


  • #90
    P.Walnuts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,489 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Cheers

    I found it quite odd that the picture the governor found in the cabin was almost identical (at least in my memory) to the one of him and his daughter, I think he burnedthat one.

    The "Liar" corpse, is more interesting really....


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  • #91
    Keyzer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


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    Cork boy 55 wrote: »
    There was water on the roof. There was a hole in the roof. The effects of gravity pull the water down through the hole. I'm pretty sure this has nothing to do with lazy writing either, It just happens all by itself.
    A roof can leak without it being raining. It could have been water previously stored up there from when it was raining another time recently that started to slowly leak through now.
    I think it must have been raining off and on even though we didn't see it. It's the only thing I can think of that would explain why the road was that muddy later on, the one with all the walkers stuck in it.
    It had to have rained at some point look at all the walkers stuck in the mud. The trailer prob had a dent in the roof or whatever that held some rain water
    Also air-conditioners can cause leaks etc
    In Georgia it rains sometimes during summer and stops and its sunny and nice as if it hadnt rained at all other then some water here and there, the mud with the zombies stuck would tell me at some point it had rained, we just hadnt seen it. I think showing a scene of rain would of been more pointless then the scene of him trying to repair the hole. Rain happens, leaks happen. The point of showing him repairing it to me was him still struggling with being "normal" or at least viewing himself as "changed" and caring for this new found family. Which fit into him killing Martinez because he was talking too much about the "old" gov. I think to some extent the Gov is still fooling himself into thinking he is changed and that his actions are for the better good of his new "family"
    There is no plot holes


    Google maps , also in the deep south one does not camp next to lakes because of mosquitoes

    You should start writing comedy...

    What age are you if you don't mind me asking?


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