Lostprophets singer admits to being a baby rapist

Jimmy Garlic · 26-11-2013 08:52PM

I am sure Jimmy Saville is sweeping a hot corner in hell for him. In the meantime non-segregated confinement in Strangeways would be apt punishment.

dark crystal · 26-11-2013 08:54PM

Grayson wrote: »

The weird thing is that we don't know he made a conscious decision. We have never experienced it so we can't really say what happened.

He did make a conscious decision, though. This wasn't one incident, after which he was so apalled, he turned himself in. He planned these acts, shared these acts with others, took pleasure in committing them, involved others in them.

The prosecution said "He accepts he was a determined and committed paedophile."

Even his computer password was an obscenity related to sexual activity with children. He had planned to teach the babies how to take drugs. This wasn't a man tormented by his actions.

We need to send these people away and treat/study them. We need to figure out what causes this because just locking them up isn't enough. It's not like there's a finite number id paedophiles. More are born every day. More still are created through a process of abuse. Studies have shown that there is a link between being abused and turning into an abuser. Unless we want that cycle to continue we need to figure out what's happening.

I agree.

Simply saying they are Monsters or evil is a cop out and does nothing to help anyone.

Willfully hurting, abusing and raping children for your own pleasure is monstrous and evil. Whatever the reasoning behind it, those are fair descriptions of such acts.

Sure, maybe it's a cop out, but you cannot blame people for having visceral reactions to such crimes. Nothing anyone posts on a forum can help anyone that does such things, in fairness. Only the people involved can be proactive in helping themselves.

Vicxas · 26-11-2013 08:56PM

Wow! I mean. I just...... Wow

ABajaninCork · 26-11-2013 08:59PM

Should be strung up by his balls with a rusty nail, until the fcuker expires.

Tosic · 26-11-2013 09:01PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Out of curiosity in that BBC article they mention him filming himself having sex with 16 year olds, is there an offense linked to those activities as I thought the age of consent was 16 in England

ps not condoning him having sex with 16 year olds just curious as to why it was reported, that case is seriously f*cked up though!

I think that even though the age of consent is 16, the age for being in films, photos nude/performing sexual acts is 18 but I could be wrong as I'm not familiar with the law in England, but I know that's the law in some places.

Femme_Fatale · 26-11-2013 09:03PM

Watkins sent a text to one of the women saying: "If you belong to me, so does your baby."

Sweet Jesus. Even if he is insane (which he could be; that does not exonerate him) he also seems pretty evil if he is capable of the above.

The stuff by the mothers is even more shocking IMO.

vicwatson · 26-11-2013 09:05PM

Put him in a field and bomb the bastard. Simples

vicwatson · 26-11-2013 09:06PM

ABajaninCork wrote: »

Should be strung up by his balls with a rusty nail, until the fcuker expires.

Or in a room full of rats, they'd get to him eventually.

Anonymagician · 26-11-2013 09:08PM

Shocking that such a high-profile and idolised man would even attempt this when I'm sure he could have had a steady string of consenting women of legal age if he desired to. Madness.

Neyite · 26-11-2013 09:08PM

It should have been attempted murder he was on trial for.:mad: A tiny baby would likely not have survived a rape by an adult.

Sick sick man. I hope that he is terrified constantly in prison.

--Kaiser-- · 26-11-2013 09:10PM

I would say bring back the death penalty but a simple execution is far too lenient a punishment for these.....organisms

RichTea123 · 26-11-2013 09:13PM

Disgusted hearing about this today.....One of my favourite bands during my mid teens (about 9-10 years ago), Its hard to keep faith in humanity when he or any human being is capable of doing this to a baby or child who can't defend themselves,

I have no words to describe my anger towards him and the women, and my sympathy and remorse to the poor children involved.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 26-11-2013 09:14PM

Neyite wrote: »

It should have been attempted murder he was on trial for.:mad: A tiny baby would likely not have survived a rape by an adult.

Sick sick man. I hope that he is terrified constantly in prison.

Sadly prison probably won't be too bad for him. They'll have him in segregation, there's no way somebody convicted of those crimes could be housed in general population.

L1011 · 26-11-2013 09:17PM

certifiedcrepe wrote: »

Not sure if it's been mentioned in this thread yet but apparently he wanted to spread HIV also. Not sure if there's truth to that but it was in another thread I was reading.

Also, if you google "Ian Watkins HIV" a thread from a website comes up that is 2 years old and it's a load of groupies that are talking about Ian and how he wanted to do things to kids. Horrible stuff.

Its two posters, both female, posting on a website for groupies - quite possibly could be the actual two women involved in this. Surprised it wasn't removed by the site its on. That stuff was up online for months to years before his arrest at that.

DMR1861 · 26-11-2013 09:18PM

Terrible case. I'm trying not to descend to the level of calling for him to be strung up but I'm struggling.

Neyite · 26-11-2013 09:20PM

MYOB wrote: »

Its two posters, both female, posting on a website for groupies - quite possibly could be the actual two women involved in this. Surprised it wasn't removed by the site its on. That stuff was up online for months to years before his arrest at that.

its easy enough to find the names of the women involved. I did within minutes and I'm not really internet savvy. It seems that one of his ex's was lined up to be a key witness in the trial though, but those are unsubstantiated rumour.

Femme_Fatale · 26-11-2013 09:21PM

Anonymagician wrote: »

Shocking that such a high-profile and idolised man would even attempt this when I'm sure he could have had a steady string of consenting women of legal age if he desired to. Madness.

Bizarre angle. What's shocking is his crimes rather than the fact he showed more interest in children than in people his own age, seeing as he's a paedophile.

26-11-2013 09:21PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Sweet Jesus. Even if he is insane (which he could be; that does not exonerate him) he also seems pretty evil if he is capable of the above.

The stuff by the mothers is even more shocking IMO.

I agree. The actions of the ' Mothers' are really fcuking mind bending to me. What cnuts.:mad:
Sad thing is, they will probably go on to have more children.

DebDynamite · 26-11-2013 09:23PM

Ineedaname wrote: »

He used to date Fearne Cotton didn't he?

Yeah he did. She only gave birth to a baby earlier this year. She must be feeling sick.

Anonymagician · 26-11-2013 09:31PM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Bizarre angle. What's shocking is his crimes rather than the fact he showed more interest in children than in people his own age, seeing as he's a paedophile.

I think it goes without saying that the crimes are shocking. Just trying think around my thoughts.

tony007 · 26-11-2013 09:34PM

Go 15 mins in.

Soft Falling Rain · 26-11-2013 09:41PM

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

There are many more just like him out there with the same mental illness. And some of them may actually want help. But, how could they possibly seek it in a society that makes comments like those in this thread? What person would risk going to their GP and asking for a referral to get treatment for that?

It is a mental illness. One that is shocking and that has devastating effects on children and entire families. But it won't go away by calling it 'evil' and refusing to treat it like the illness that it is.
It's a sad state of affairs, but society's hatred and anger probably actually results in more people offending...people who otherwise would have gotten treatment BEFORE they offended.

I used to think the same as most people in this thread. But then I met someone who worked at a treatment centre for such people (Granada Institute). She's become a friend over the years, we've talked about this topic at length, and I've slowly come around to her way of thinking about it. It's not nearly as black and white as we'd all like to think.

It just goes to show the power of mental illness over the mind when someone, who is reasonably famous, actually believes he can get away with such horrendous acts.

ShagNastii · 26-11-2013 09:46PM

This is so messed up. Always thought the lost prophets were decent enough.

In hindsight the video for "A Town called Hypocrisy" is realllllly creepy.

Holsten · 26-11-2013 09:47PM

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

It just goes to show the power of mental illness over the mind when someone, who is reasonably famous, actually believes he can get away with such horrendous acts.

Most criminals believe they'll get away with whatever they're doing, this is the reason why using punishment as a deterrence doesn't work.

take everything · 26-11-2013 10:07PM

jester77 wrote: »

There are just no words, what type of a mother offers up her own baby to be raped

With increasing frequency, i find myself reciting that "i don't want to live on this planet anymore" meme.
Baffling.

Femme_Fatale · 26-11-2013 10:12PM

Anonymagician wrote: »

I think it goes without saying that the crimes are shocking. Just trying think around my thoughts.

I know but he fancied kids, whether he had the pick of women his own age is irrelevant; he was a predator who was gonna go for the kids unfortunately.

thebaz · 26-11-2013 10:13PM

attempting to rape a baby ? - it goes beyond sick , what a horrible human being - didnt' know much about ther music , but how anyone could still listen to ther music now , is way beyond me - the lowest form of life , he should never ever be released - and **** his stupid music

take everything · 26-11-2013 10:44PM

My name is URL wrote: »

There's a world of difference between being a paedophile (as is described in diagnostic manuals), and people who actually act on their urges. Once someone crosses that line they can no longer simply be considered to be paedophiles.. they are child molesters, abusers and rapists. The paraphilia may be responsible for their sexual preferences, but it's not solely responsible for their actions.

This guy made a conscious decision to cross that line, he even said this himself, and at any time prior to it he could have sought help. He didn't though, despite knowing the consequences of his actions and the hurt it would cause to others. I don't buy for one minute that it's simply down to mental issues.. that's a huge cop-out. Countless responsibilities could be shirked if that excuse was used all the time.

^Basically this.
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Example 1. You got a paraphilia. OK fcuking deal with it.
Example 2. You got a paraphilia and (thinking about) acting on it. Woah there scumbag. Don't you know your paraphilia is only part of you, not something that makes you do anything. You still have responsibility for your actions just like eg a heterosexual who acts/doesn't act on urges to rape someone (to give a simple comparison).

What gets me is the scumbags who act on their urges put their vile fleeting moment of pleasure above and beyond any thoughts about the horrendous (often lifelong) effects this can have on a child.
They are vile human beings (and that's separate from having the paraphilia).

But as stated, understanding what goes through the heads of someone with such a paraphilia is needed (especially if they're a risk to kids).
No sympathy for anyone who acts on it.

Femme_Fatale · 26-11-2013 10:46PM

I'd bet there are people out there who fancy children and do not dare act on it - as they shouldn't, but it must be a horrible thing to be cursed with. Imagine how much they'd long to fancy people their own age, something most of us take for granted.

Zen65 · 26-11-2013 10:58PM

Watkins sent a text to one of the women saying: "If you belong to me, so does your baby."

In an exchange involving the other woman, she sent Watkins a message along with an image of her child to the effect that her child needed to know she was not loved.

Watkins also planned to "teach" the babies how to take drugs, the hearing was told.

Utter, utter depravity. This is one of those rare cases where I'd support a death sentence for the three of them.

Lostprophets singer admits to being a baby rapist

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