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"Unemployment falls to 12.8%, lowest since 2009" says the PR spin. Are you working?

  • 26-11-2013 05:22PM
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    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭IvaBigWun


    More bollixology and spin. I wonder how these numbers would look if all the Christmas jobs and JobBridge "jobs" werent added to the tally? It would be closer to 25% at least


    The Government has claimed a turnaround in the rate of unemployment is evidence of the strengthening Irish economy.

    Figures released by the Central Statistics Office today show that The numbers unemployed fell by 41,700 in the year to the end of September, reducing the total number of people out of work to 282,900.

    As a result the seasonally adjusted unemployment rate decreased from 13.6 per cent to 12.8 per cent over the July to September quarter while the number of people unemployed fell by 18,000. This is the fifth quarter in succession where unemployment has declined on an annual basis and has led to the lowest rate of unemployment since 2009.

    Taoiseach Enda Kenny said over 1,000 new jobs were being created per week in the economy and there were “positive signs that business confidence is rising”

    There was an annual increase in employment of 3.2 per cent or 58,000 in the year to the end of September, bringing total employment to 1,899,300.

    The figures also show a decline in long term unemployment from 8.9 per cent to 7.6 per cent over the year.

    “More than 1,000 people a week are returning to work, proof that the measures taken by the Government to stabilise the economy and address the unemployment crisis which we inherited are paying off,” Minister for Social Protection Joan Burton said.

    The latest figures follow separate data published by the CSO showing that the Live Register in October fell below 400,000 for the first time in four years.

    Minister for Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation Richard Bruton took to Twitter to welcome the increasing employment figures.

    “Private sector adding 1,200 jobs a week. Very encouraging. Testament to Irish workforce and entrepreneurial spirit. Real base to build on,” he said.

    Tanaiste Eamon Gilmore highlighted the decline in the long-term unemployment rate which he said had fallen from 8.9 per cent to 7.6 per cent over the past year.

    However, the amount of people classed as long-term unemployed - out of work for a year or more - accounts for 58 per cent of the total - only down about 1 per cent from a year earlier.

    The total number of people in the labour force is 2,182,100 - up 16,300 over the year.

    Minister for Social Protection Joan Burton said: “There are still far too many people out of work, and tackling unemployment will remain the Government’s number one priority, but these figures demonstrate that we are making steady progress”.


    Poll to follow

    Are you working? 726 votes

    Yes Im in full time employment
    0% 0 votes
    Yes Im in part time employment
    63% 463 votes
    Im doing a Job Bridge scheme
    9% 66 votes
    Im unemployed less than 6 months
    1% 13 votes
    Im unemployed more than 6 months and less than a year
    6% 44 votes
    Im unemployed for the past 1 to 3 years
    3% 22 votes
    Im unemployed more than 3 years
    5% 37 votes
    Im a sole trader and/or a company director
    5% 40 votes
    Other (please specify)
    5% 41 votes


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Comments

  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Jordyn Teeny Tutor


    IvaBigWun wrote: »
    . I wonder how these numbers would look if all the Christmas jobs werent added to the tally?

    It already said it's seasonally adjusted


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 722 ✭✭✭fastrac


    The biggest threat is the amount of people who are laid off and have had to take big pay cuts as well as losing entitlements to get another job. They wont show up in any report.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    bluewolf wrote: »
    It already said it's seasonally adjusted

    Which means absolutely nothing in fairness. A temp job now, which'll be gone in 2 months time, is not something to claim as a success for jobs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,176 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate


    I'm unemployed and finding it incredibly difficult to find work.

    I'm not one of these people who are too good for certain jobs either, I'd work at anything.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭IvaBigWun


    bluewolf wrote: »
    It already said it's seasonally adjusted

    Even still its PR spin and bollixology. Take those slave free labour JobBridge jobs away and those numbers would tell the true tale.

    The government are trying to falsely boost a perception bubble. And we all know how bubbles end in Ireland ;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,793 ✭✭✭Red Kev


    There was an annual increase in employment of 3.2 per cent or 58,000 in the year to the end of September, bringing total employment to 1,899,300.

    ^ This is the most important sentence in that article.

    The government are massaging figures alright and emigration is playing a big role in keeping the jobless numbers down but an increase of 58,000 people in work is good news. Providing of course these are "real jobs" and not Jobridge or some such other scheme.

    People in work create other jobs as well, more disposable income in people's pockets means more work in the service industries. Of course it's another job altogether to get people to spend money in a way that will create work in this country.

    Still not satisfied with the government myself as i think there's a lot more they could be doing to get things going.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Gone Drinking


    Which means absolutely nothing in fairness. A temp job now, which'll be gone in 2 months time, is not something to claim as a success for jobs.

    It all stands to you. My brothers on a jobsbridge internship, something he badly needed from an experience point of view.

    People working over Christmas will have a few quid to spend, which will benefit the economy also. Plus, put a smile on their faces!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭IvaBigWun


    Poll added


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    I've emigrated for work.

    I miss you guys :(


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    good news coming up to christmas, this have been looking up last few months to be fair


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    It all stands to you. My brothers on a jobsbridge internship, something he badly needed from an experience point of view.

    People working over Christmas will have a few quid to spend, which will benefit the economy also. Plus, put a smile on their faces!

    You mean the €50 which most people spend on travel ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Time to buy apartments and fur coats again then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 406 ✭✭denlaw


    IBEC getting everything they wanted for xmas...Again


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Soft Falling Rain


    Minister for Social Protection Joan Burton said: “There are still far too many people out of work, and tackling unemployment will remain the Government’s number one priority, but these figures demonstrate that we are making steady progress”.

    I thought shakedowns on the most vulnerable in this society was the number one priority.


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Jordyn Teeny Tutor


    Which means absolutely nothing in fairness. A temp job now, which'll be gone in 2 months time, is not something to claim as a success for jobs.

    Which they don't if it's based on christmas seasonal work trends :confused:


  • Subscribers Posts: 19,421 ✭✭✭✭Oryx


    It looks good because anyone who could went abroad.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,424 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    It all stands to you. My brothers on a jobsbridge internship, something he badly needed from an experience point of view.

    People working over Christmas will have a few quid to spend, which will benefit the economy also. Plus, put a smile on their faces!

    I wish him the best of luck, but that's not what the article is about. It's claiming a success, while its solely a short term one and makes no change regarding employment in the long term.
    bluewolf wrote: »
    Which they don't if it's based on christmas seasonal work trends :confused:

    I know it was based on summer, which is the same length of period and would be repeating now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 767 ✭✭✭SimonQuinlank


    Judging from the queue outside Clondalkin SW office this afternoon not much has improved around here.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭IvaBigWun


    What "Other"s are people talking about with their votes on the above poll out of curiosity?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,037 ✭✭✭Plazaman


    In all fairness, fair play to the Government and especially Joan Burton, their hard work and dedication to getting the country back to work has paid off.

    Sent from my iPhone at Terminal 2 Dublin Airport


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    I have a feeling OP is unemployed


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭msg11


    I have to laugh when the likes of Dell, Aviva come out and tell us that they are creating employment after blasting 100's of Irish workers out of there workforce.

    Or the 200 jobs created by supermarkets, yeah 200 part time jobs at 20 hours a week.

    Company's like to swing the term jobs around. There should be a law, it must be a full time job and your company cannot say these jobs are new jobs if you have previously let 100's go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,711 ✭✭✭stimpson


    I was made redundant last year. Got a 6 month contract in February which lead to a Permanent job (on better pay and conditions from my last perm job)

    Just this morning I heard that a friend who did a Job Bridge after college has been offered work in the same company after being out of work for a few months.

    Doing something with your time will give you an edge over someone who is just sitting in their hole. I'd be bored to tears if I was signing on for any length of time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    msg11 wrote: »
    I have to laugh when the likes of Dell, Aviva come out and tell us that they are creating employment after blasting 100's of Irish workers out of there workforce.

    Or the 200 jobs created by supermarkets, yeah 200 part time jobs at 20 hours a week.

    Company's like to swing the term jobs around. There should be a law, it must be a full time job and your company cannot say these jobs are new jobs if you have previously let 100's go.

    You mean taking advantage of a recession to let go the highly paid people then rehire people at a pittance ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Soft Falling Rain


    stimpson wrote: »
    I was made redundant last year. Got a 6 month contract in February which lead to a Permanent job (on better pay and conditions from my last perm job)

    Just this morning I heard that a friend who did a Job Bridge after college has been offered work in the same company after being out of work for a few months.

    Doing something with your time will give you an edge over someone who is just sitting in their hole. I'd be bored to tears if I was signing on for any length of time.

    Not everyone is like your friend who was rewarded at the end of his internship and yes, that's even in spite of having done a good job.

    Plenty of people put the effort in, immense effort, they just can't catch a break.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭IvaBigWun


    I have a feeling OP is unemployed

    Thankfully not


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,404 ✭✭✭✭Turtyturd


    IvaBigWun wrote: »
    Even still its PR spin and bollixology. Take those slave free labour JobBridge jobs away and those numbers would tell the true tale.

    The government are trying to falsely boost a perception bubble. And we all know how bubbles end in Ireland ;)

    Jobbridge website says there are currently just over 6,500 people on internships....that's not going to account for the drop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,814 ✭✭✭Gone Drinking


    You mean the €50 which most people spend on travel ?

    The first paragraph was talking about jobsbridge and experience.

    I was talking about contract or just 2 month Christmas work in the second paragraph.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 767 ✭✭✭SimonQuinlank


    Turtyturd wrote: »
    Jobbridge website says there are currently just over 6,500 people on internships....that's not going to account for the drop.

    CE schemes,TUS placements,FAS courses etc too.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,691 ✭✭✭Nailz


    3rd Year University student, will be going into a full-time internship in January though, running for the short term, then back into college for my final year in September.


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