Gardaí smash travelling gang.

Peanut · 24-11-2013 09:47PM

gonzo.phd wrote: »

Fair point allright, however I wonder why it hasn't already been done. The data is already there from the CSO census. I've tried to find data from respondents that have criminal convictions and correlate it to those who identify themselves as travelers.

Fairly standard use of datasets. I wonder why it hasn't already been done by the CSO... but that might be racist would it?

Probably won't find anything from Ireland but here's a report about Irish travellers in prison in the UK -

The research has identified that 51.7% of the offences committed by Irish Travellers involve the unlawful obtaining of property. This can be compared to a corresponding figure of 30.5% for all prisoners nationwide. Furthermore, burglary accounts for 26.4 % of the offences committed by Irish Travellers, which can be compared to a figure of 9.9% for the entire prison population.

This high proportion of offences involving misappropriated property is typical of a minority group who are socially and economically marginalised in society.

Voices Unheard - A Study of Irish Travellers in Prison

I believe it's important to not sweep these things under the carpet. Cultural generalisations are OK as long as they are just recognised as such, and that the underlying reasons for such trends are often complex.

In this case, you can begin to see how being disadvantaged due to leaving education early, lower literacy skills etc. can lead to vicious cycles of criminality, which in turn furthers discrimination. The excerpt continues,

Recent research indicates that income inequality is the most consistent structural correlate of rates for theft and other forms of property crime. All forms of theft tend to occur disproportionately in poor, isolated, socially disadvantaged neighbourhoods. (Miller, 2009)

bigblackmug · 24-11-2013 09:47PM

http://www.herald.ie/news/courts/addict-forged-prescription-28005773.html
http://www.herald.ie/news/wedding-guest-kicked-vehicles-27942937.html

michael mcdonagh of tara lawns

.jacksparrow. · 24-11-2013 09:49PM

okedoke wrote: »

the way the dole and other benefits have been cut by the troika they are probably desperate have no legitimate means of earning a few bob

Ridiculous trolling.

24-11-2013 10:07PM

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If you report a post, ignore it, quoting posts which are most likely going to be deleted just makes for more work.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 24-11-2013 10:08PM

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If you report a post, ignore it, quoting posts which are most likely going to be deleted just makes for more work.

Sorry:o

Mint Aero · 24-11-2013 10:28PM

They couldn't even keep their pants up on the news getting into the paddywagons :rolleyes: looked like a bunch of overgrown babies. I'm suprised the guards didn't have to pull 'em up for them :rolleyes:

Plenty of sh*tty bums on show, honestly, they can't even dress themselves properly :rolleyes:

anncoates · 24-11-2013 10:30PM

My name is URL wrote: »

That shouty fella... whatever about the death penalty.. and auld fall down a rake of steps wouldn't go amiss with him.

Watching that yoke roaring on the TV earlier would really put every liberal shred in your body under pressure.

kupus · 24-11-2013 10:32PM

The indo has that they are being charged with only one count...whats the story there.

Each has been charged with one count of aggravated burglary at a house at Burnchurch, Killenaule, Co Tipperary, on November 24 last.

So we have breaking and entering home invasion, assault with a deadly weapon, GBH, a shotgun probably not registered and more than likely stolen. Stolen car, driving at high speeds without due care and consideration. driving without insurance.

Anything else that can be added instead of the one count of aggravated burglary.

Hitchens · 24-11-2013 10:36PM

kupus wrote: »

The indo has that they are being charged with only one count...whats the story there.

So we have breaking and entering home invasion, assault with a deadly weapon, GBH, a shotgun probably not registered and more than likely stolen. Stolen car, driving at high speeds without due care and consideration. driving without insurance.

Anything else that can be added instead of the one count of aggravated burglary.

malicious damage to the said veh-hee-kell ?

For Forks Sake · 24-11-2013 10:39PM

okedoke wrote: »

the way the dole and other benefits have been cut by the troika they are probably desperate have no legitimate means of earning a few bob

Laziest trolling ever.

My name is URL · 24-11-2013 10:45PM

kupus wrote: »

Anything else that can be added instead of the one count of aggravated burglary.

They're probably only charging them with that as a preliminary measure.

After the big feckin' hoo-haa Gardai and the media have made of this I'd be amazed if that was the only thing levied against them.. amazed but not entirely shocked, though!

All the 13-2 reg cars gushing into the court on TV earlier was a sight to behold. If these lads aren't sent away for a long time it'll be a while before such a show of strength is portrayed without people rolling their eyes to the heavens.

Xenophile · 24-11-2013 10:45PM

folan wrote: »

never congratulate anyone for a job well done, sure isn't money enough.

Don't agree. I have met people in my life who told me that they would prefer to be left twenty euro short in their wages in a week that they were told that they were doing a good job and that their commitment, dedication and loyalty was appreciated.

zenno · 24-11-2013 10:50PM

3 months in an open prison, more than likely, as the judge says....Next case.

Xenophile · 24-11-2013 10:51PM

If night time travelling gangs are released on bail, part of the bail conditions should be that each member sign in to Garda station at 5.00am. each morning. A different Garda station for each of them.

Jimmy Conway · 24-11-2013 11:10PM

kupus wrote: »

Anything else that can be added instead of the one count of aggravated burglary.

In an ideal world the one count of aggravated burglary would be enough to put these scum off the streets for the rest of their days...as stated in the statute books 'A person guilty of aggravated burglary is liable on conviction on indictment to imprisonment for life' http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2001/en/act/pub/0050/sec0013.html

Unfortunately they will probably get some ridiculously short sentence from some out of touch judge. Probably be out in 5 :mad:

zenno · 24-11-2013 11:18PM

Imagine this crowd getting bail after what they done, Judges on their high throne have dealt with very extreme cases, and it seems that when a judge deals with this particular one, they will just say, as per usual, that they all had a very hard up-bringing etc... and will have pity on them all.

I'll say it again and again and again, the justice system in Ireland is fecked. The DPP had to step in many a time to over-rule dumb-ass judges light sentences, will this be another one.

I hope the family recover from their ordeal sometime in the near future.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 24-11-2013 11:20PM

zenno wrote: »

Imagine this crowd getting bail after what they done, Judges on their high throne have dealt with very extreme cases, and it seems that when a judge deals with this particular one, they will just say, as per usual, that they all had a very hard up-bringing etc... and will have pity on them all.

I'll say it again and again and again, the justice system in Ireland is fecked. The DPP had to step in many a time to over-rule dumb-ass judges light sentences, will this be another one.

I hope the family recover from their ordeal sometime in the near future.

The DPP doesn't get to over-rule judges, judges get to over-rule judges.

Hootanany · 24-11-2013 11:27PM

Can I ask a simple question why do scumbags get suspended or very lenient sentanced and Garlic man get the book thrown at him

sligojoek · 24-11-2013 11:28PM

How much is the "free" legal aid going to cost?

zenno · 24-11-2013 11:33PM

Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »

The DPP doesn't get to over-rule judges, judges get to over-rule judges.

What about the recent cases where the DPP examined a few cases that a judge gave too lenient of a sentence ? and then the DPP came to the realisation that a longer sentence was needed of which they forwarded ?. Didn't that over-rule the judges.

Umm... Sentence Reviews under Section 2 of the Criminal Justice Act, 1993

11.5 The Court of Criminal Appeal has held that in relation to sentence reviews the onus lies on the Director to show that the sentence is not merely lenient but unduly so. In such a review, great weight is attached to the trial judge's reasons for imposing the sentence. Since the finding must be one of undue leniency, nothing but a substantial departure from what would be regarded as the appropriate sentence would justify the intervention of the court in order to increase the sentence: Director of Public Prosecutions v. Byrne (1995) 1 ILRM. There must have been an error of principle by the sentencing court to justify altering the sentence: Director of Public Prosecutions v. Redmond, Court of Criminal Appeal, 21 December 2000.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 24-11-2013 11:59PM

zenno wrote: »

What about the recent cases where the DPP examined a few cases that a judge gave too lenient of a sentence ? and then the DPP came to the realisation that a longer sentence was needed of which they forwarded ?. Didn't that over-rule the judges.

Umm... Sentence Reviews under Section 2 of the Criminal Justice Act, 1993

11.5 The Court of Criminal Appeal has held that in relation to sentence reviews the onus lies on the Director to show that the sentence is not merely lenient but unduly so. In such a review, great weight is attached to the trial judge's reasons for imposing the sentence. Since the finding must be one of undue leniency, nothing but a substantial departure from what would be regarded as the appropriate sentence would justify the intervention of the court in order to increase the sentence: Director of Public Prosecutions v. Byrne (1995) 1 ILRM. There must have been an error of principle by the sentencing court to justify altering the sentence: Director of Public Prosecutions v. Redmond, Court of Criminal Appeal, 21 December 2000.

The DPP didn't review the sentences, she appealed them to the Court of Criminal Appeal, in other words she asked Judges to review and where they deem it appropriate to over-rule, as you put it, other judges.

emo72 · 25-11-2013 12:04AM

so some of them were travellers?

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 25-11-2013 12:07AM

emo72 wrote: »

so some of them were travellers?

I don't know, but all of them are utter scumbags!

emo72 · 25-11-2013 12:09AM

Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »

I don't know, but all of them are utter scumbags!

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utter scumbags some of them are. who happen to be travellers.

bohsboy · 25-11-2013 12:11AM

By the looks of some of their faces entering courts they may have "resisted arrest". Hopefully.

zenno · 25-11-2013 01:15AM

Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »

The DPP didn't review the sentences, she appealed them to the Court of Criminal Appeal, in other words she asked Judges to review and where they deem it appropriate to over-rule, as you put it, other judges.

Got ye, I wasn't fully sure of the workings. Cheers for that.

WallyGUFC · 25-11-2013 01:33AM

okedoke wrote: »

People shouldn't be too quick to judge these fella's, none of them have had an easy life up to now, that's for sure.

How many people can say for sure they wouldn't do these kind of things if they were brought up without an education or any opportunities?

I don't understand how you could defend these scumbags. They're a complete waste of good oxygen clearly. And how do you know they've had tough lives?

Plenty of people have had tough upbringings anyway and have forced it upon themselves to improve their own lives and those in the communities they come from. These lads have travelled down the country on the motorway, probably more than once, broken into a business-woman's home and terrorised her family. Lock them up and throw away the key I say.

Sadly the justice system is a joke. Only so much the Gardaí can do when inept, out of touch judges impose such soft sentences on scum like this. And don't get me started on concurrent sentences!

dutopia · 25-11-2013 01:50AM

Hootanany wrote: »

Can I ask a simple question why do scumbags get suspended or very lenient sentanced and Garlic man get the book thrown at him

Very simple - garlic man defrauded the state, which would set a dangerous precedent if it wasn't dealt with. Scumbags 'only' affect their victims.

degsie · 25-11-2013 11:24AM

From the Indo...
These guys are working the system already...

All seven are unemployed, and free legal aid was granted by Judge Finn in all cases.

The court heard that Mr Gately is supporting his girlfriend and a three-year-old child. Mr Byrne is living with his father.

An application was made on Mr McDonagh's behalf to have him remanded to Cloverhill Prison rather than Limerick Prison. Judge Finn said he would not be making such a recommendation but it was open to Mr McDonagh to apply to the prison services for such a transfer.

Applications were also made on behalf of Mr Flynn and Patrick Joyce but turned down. The court heard Patrick Joyce's wife is expecting their first child and is five months pregnant

flanzer · 25-11-2013 11:38AM

They should leave the runt down in Limerick. Make his family make the journey up and down for the cúnt

Gardaí smash travelling gang.

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