Gardaí smash travelling gang.

xploderz wrote: »

I think it's fair to comment on something like a disproportionate amount of travellers being involved in crime given their tiny % of the overall population. Until we acknowledge simple facts like that, nothing will change. I've nothing against travellers and not gonna come out with comments like "drop a nuke on their halting sites" etc etc, but there does seem to be a societal problem with higher % of them terrorizing the community in comparison to settled people.

It's not useful to take one incident, no matter how awful it is, and link it to generalisations about a subculture.

If you want to discuss criminality among travellers, you should conduct a proper statistical study. If you work from anecdotal evidence of questionable accuracy at a time when feelings are running high, then you are not likely to get a reasoned evidence-based discussion going.

snubbleste wrote: »

People do their job.
Isn't that what they are paid for

Judges probably get paid even more-but will they do their job?
I doubt it-I'm expecting yet another ridiculous "sentencing" in this case.

Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »

Because we are better than that.
Now lets just lt the justice system get on with its job.

and because society doesn't get to decide who lives or who doesn't, hitchens in 3, 2, 1

P. Breathnach wrote: »

It's not useful to take one incident, no matter how awful it is, and link it to generalisations about a subculture.

If you want to discuss criminality among travellers, you should conduct a proper statistical study. If you work from anecdotal evidence of questionable accuracy at a time when feelings are running high, then you are not likely to get a reasoned evidence-based discussion going.

Fair point allright, however I wonder why it hasn't already been done. The data is already there from the CSO census. I've tried to find data from respondents that have criminal convictions and correlate it to those who identify themselves as travelers.

Fairly standard use of datasets. I wonder why it hasn't already been done by the CSO... but that might be racist would it?

Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »

I didn't think the census asked about criminal convictions.
It didn't http://www.census.ie/The-Census-Form/The-Census-Form.107.1.aspx

Might not actually, never had to fill it out, it should though!

Never a borrower or a "Gardai smash travelling gang" be.

Motivator wrote: »

What justice system?

These fellas will get 6 or 7 years each, with 2 suspended.

Out in 3 with good behaviour.

If rapists & murderers aren't doing proper time in our jails then these fellas aren't going to get much more than what I said. This country is a joke. I will say well done to the Guards on this, they've done their bit but the judges just consistently **** up when it comes to this.

We need a couple of new prisons in all fairness. There's just so much even judges can do with the limitations on spaces available.

flanzer wrote: »

I remember seeing a video on LiveLeak a while back where a thief's punishment was loosing his fingers by axe. He'd to lay his hand down on what looked to be a log, then down came the axe on them and they fell to the ground like mini mars bars.

Where was that from..? The same sort of place that punishes rape victims and sentences them to floggings or stonings probably.. or similar to some communities in Africa where people are set alight for stealing vegetables?

That shit ain't no deterrent. All it does is make people feel better about living in almost lawless societies.

131spanner wrote: »

Props for the arrests, good job, but "Operation Fiacla"?

Could they not think of something a bit more badass?

Great work by the Gardai. But sure some here will find something to criticise.

Sentence reform needs to be prioritised in this country. More prison space and no concurrent sentencing. Its a joke at this stage.

flanzer wrote: »

I remember seeing a video on LiveLeak a while back where a thief's punishment was losing his fingers by axe. He'd to lay his hand down on what looked to be a log, then down came the axe on them and they fell to the ground like mini mars bars.

I've a strong belief that capital punishment of some sort should be introduced back into society for scum like these

can't be done in ireland, we removed all capital punishment from our constitution, that sort of **** belongs in the stone age anyway, only wild animals would support it

okedoke wrote: »

People shouldn't be too quick to judge these fella's, none of them have had an easy life up to now, that's for sure.

How many people can say for sure they wouldn't do these kind of things if they were brought up without an education or any opportunities?

Absolutely... I had none of these opportunities and when I break into your house and terrorise you family I hope for the same understanding.

the way the dole and other benefits have been cut by the troika they are probably desperate have no legitimate means of earning a few bob