Carl Froch vs George Groves

Henno30 · 24-11-2013 03:40AM

That was sickening. An awful stoppage. Groves was still landing shots on Froch and the referee dives into the exchange to pull him away. It's very easy to shout conspiracy in boxing but you can't overlook sheer incompetence either. Groves was hurt but was defending himself and throwing back. If that's the referee's criteria for stopping someone then he could have stopped Froch a couple of times.

Also, Jim Watt :rolleyes:

nacho libre · 24-11-2013 03:40AM

chrisbonnie wrote: »

look at this way. Who do you think is in hospital tonight?

Its certainly not George Groves thats for sure.

well it's not just about the physical beating he gave him, it's more so the psychological damage Groves has inflicted on Froch due to this fight.

SRFC · 24-11-2013 03:43AM

I think it will hurt froch deep down that he got smashed and robbed a victory,he wont be able to get it out of his head imo hes too proud and self conscious about himself to not let it bother him I think it will eat away at him where as some fighters will be delighted to snatch a win.

Dick phelan · 24-11-2013 04:21AM

To things shown tonight, one that boxing is fixed and corrupt as ever, the second that Froch is way way ovverated, he can't deal with speed and movement i mean those who pose the question who wins between him and Calzaghe, come off it as if Joe would have been given such a schooling from Groves. Froch is a fine fighter but to say he is a British Legend is stupid

Big Ears · 24-11-2013 04:39AM

SRFC wrote: »

I think it will hurt froch deep down that he got smashed and robbed a victory,he wont be able to get it out of his head imo hes too proud and self conscious about himself to not let it bother him I think it will eat away at him where as some fighters will be delighted to snatch a win.

I think it will annoy him more that he was robbed of finishing Groves in a proper manner and getting a valid victory. From the point of view of Froch that is, there's no guarantee he'd of gotten rid of Groves but I feel George was starting to tire, starting to get involved too much and starting to get shook up. He faded a bit against Degale and Johnson in his only 12 round fights to date and I think we were starting to see that here too.

SRFC · 24-11-2013 04:58AM

Big Ears wrote: »

I think it will annoy him more that he was robbed of finishing Groves in a proper manner and getting a valid victory. From the point of view of Froch that is, there's no guarantee he'd of gotten rid of Groves but I feel George was starting to tire, starting to get involved too much and starting to get shook up. He faded a bit against Degale and Johnson in his only 12 round fights to date and I think we were starting to see that here too.

Yeah either way I cant see him being too happy winning this bout,anyone else id say would be delighted but I just get the feeling with him its different,with all his respect guff he was harping on about.and being sat on his arse will annoy him no end after all his mouthing,

The headlock by the ref was farcical in the end,groves was under pressure but I dont think he was about to be dropped,he would have been under serious pressure for the last few rounds but the corner would have warned him after the 9th to jab and move to safely close it out,but then again the score cards were suspect anyhow.

darced · 24-11-2013 05:02AM

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fsfg · 24-11-2013 10:07AM

fsfg wrote: »

It's my opinion that Groves split with Booth as he stopped listening to him. Groves has an ego (which was built by Booth) and I think he forced the fight rather than his team had any confidence in him winning.

Groves thinks he will win, I have no doubt about that and he thinks he is a master of mind games. I think it's working to a degree- Froch looks angry to me.

Froch underestimes Groves and he needs to be careful as I think Groves has the greater power. His downfall though is that Froch won't quit or lose his spirt and his chin is rock solid. Groves needs to avoid Froch for the whole fight and while I think is is very underrated by all, logic would suggest he won't keep froch off him (unless he hurts him) maybe Groves has a better chin than I gave him credit for but I doubt it.

Froch by late Ko with Groves ahead on points at the time.

While I wasnt far off I still can't believe what happened.

Groves was robbed pure and simple. The ref was awful all night- how was Froch not deducted points?

Groves looks comfortable and he looked able to take Froch's shots. The first time he was rocked (while comfortably ahead) he ref overreacts based on reputations.

I think Groves would have come back at Froch but either way he should have been given the chance. How do you show you can dig deep if the ref jumps in? He was out on his feet against Anderson- worse than last night and he came back to win.

I have lost all respect for Froch also. Froch was the disrespectful one in the buildup but I don't think you should be respectful, you shouldn't have to be anyway. But after the fight when the "warrior" got a lucky break after being outclassed, he could not hold his hands up and admit it.

sham69 · 24-11-2013 10:25AM

I'm a froch fan but have to say he was all over the place last night.
He looked genuinely worried and nervous and it showed in the opening rounds.
Not a fan of groves at all but have to say he fought great, on the few occasions froch got him near the ropes his speed and movement to get off them was amazing.

Froch only won 2 rounds tops.
Groves did look tired in the 9th to be fair and I think it was inevitable he was going down IMO but we will never know.

I think this might spell the end for Froch and can only get better for Groves, he's a decent boxer for sure.

As previously said, how fickle were the crowd?
Cheering for Froch, booing groves and then the reverse at the end, quite funny but they obviously aren't stupid.

Wouldn't surprise me if Froch announces retirement after this or picks up an injury a la David Haye

supersean1999 · 24-11-2013 10:33AM

Iv a feeling his jaw is broke If it is there wont be a rematch because by the time he Would be Ready . I said before the fight groves Would not Win because he needs two more 12 rds to build up stamina and experience not because Froch is à better boxer he just has more experience. But after that last night i cant see how Froch can Win a rematch.

paul64 · 24-11-2013 10:53AM

Lads I backed the fight to end under 9.5 rounds have I a winner or a loser? Haha

supersean1999 · 24-11-2013 10:56AM

In round 8 Froch got another final warning. 1 min later he hit groves 3 times after ref called break.

barney4001 · 24-11-2013 11:02AM

Groves had it won hands down,he got into trouble,tried to fight his way out of it ,when he should have taken a count on his knee,or held onto Froch would have given him that bit of time he needed to recover, as he was well ahead,loseing that round would have made no difference to Groves

MD1990 · 24-11-2013 11:21AM

the crowd were a bunch of glory hunters

SRFC · 24-11-2013 11:23AM

paul64 wrote: »

Lads I backed the fight to end under 9.5 rounds have I a winner or a loser? Haha

Winner.

paul64 · 24-11-2013 11:32AM

SRFC wrote: »

Winner.

Are u sure mate?

Big Davey · 24-11-2013 11:32AM

menoscemo wrote: »

The last left hook was a real steam rolling punch

The ref is the image of froch.............................

SRFC · 24-11-2013 11:45AM

paul64 wrote: »

Are u sure mate?

Yeah,If you back under 3.5 goals in the football and theres 3 goals your a winner,over 3.5 would need 4 goals so i presume its the same as the boxing,needed the 10 round to start for you to lose as far as I know.

colly10 · 24-11-2013 12:41PM

HigginsJ wrote: »

Froch is so consumed with his legacy that he won't want to bow out like that or leave it unsettled with Groves

I don't think so, he has no interest in a Ward rematch, I'd say he'll say he's shown he's the better man and leave it at that

Hangballlouie · 24-11-2013 01:01PM

let Groves win the next one and have the blow-off in Hell-in-a-Cell. Undercard can have the Big Show/Floyd rematch.

paul64 · 24-11-2013 01:10PM

SRFC wrote: »

Yeah,If you back under 3.5 goals in the football and theres 3 goals your a winner,over 3.5 would need 4 goals so i presume its the same as the boxing,needed the 10 round to start for you to lose as far as I know.

Yea your bang on mate I was paid haha

nacho libre · 24-11-2013 01:13PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/25075852

i guess he really needs to believe this.. I can't see Carl being able to improve on last nights showing - i mean he can't suddenly become fleeted footed and fast- handed enough to out jab Groves, whereas Groves will improve next time out and, more importantly, he will learn from his lack of nous in this fight. Booth, had he been in his corner, would have have him given such a bollocking for getting dragged into a slugfest.

Carl will run out of excuses next time out and be left to end his career at a low point. If i was him i'd take the Ward fight and then retire. At least that way he won't have lost to someone he can't stand. However, does Froch really want to fight ward again, because he let slip in an interview that he doesn't really believe he could beat Ward.

moneymad · 24-11-2013 01:15PM

darced wrote: »

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Groves tried to put froch away in the 6th. Froch took his best shots and to be frank was always going to win the fight after round 4. After round 6 he shouldered groves on the way back to his corner,because he knew he had him.

PropJoe10 · 24-11-2013 01:38PM

nacho libre wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/boxing/25075852

i guess he really needs to believe this.. I can't see Carl being able to improve on last nights showing - i mean he can't suddenly become fleeted footed and fast- handed enough to out jab Groves, whereas Groves will improve next time out and, more importantly, he will learn from his lack of nous in this fight. Booth, had he been in his corner, would have have him given such a bollocking for getting dragged into a slugfest.

Carl will run out of excuses next time out and be left to end his career at a low point. If i was him i'd take the Ward fight and then retire. At least that way he won't have lost to someone he can't stand. However, does Froch really want to fight ward again, because he let slip in an interview that he doesn't really believe he could beat Ward.

If Froch really believes that, then hes even more of an arrogant idiot than I thought he was. There was only one fighter in that fight up to about 5 seconds before the stoppage, and it certainly wasnt Carl Froch. He was being completely outclassed until Groves forgot about his game plan and started dropping his hands stupidly.

Johner · 24-11-2013 01:39PM

moneymad wrote: »

Groves tried to put froch away in the 6th. Froch took his best shots and to be frank was always going to win the fight after round 4. After round 6 he shouldered groves on the way back to his corner,because he knew he had him.

He knew he had him?

So his plan was to be comprehensively outboxed for the first half of the fight barely landing a glove on Groves? Froch has a problem with anyone who can box well and anyone with speed. Looking at the scorecards there was no way Groves had any chance of winning the fight on points , if it went the distance he would have probably lost a dodgy split decision. He did everything he could in the first 8 rounds and was miles ahead of Froch in class yet two judges had it 4 rounds all with the knockdown the difference, that is the biggest disgrace here and just shows that Groves could only have won that fight last night with a knockout. Boxing is a joke of a sport.

bucketybuck · 24-11-2013 01:54PM

I see a bit of a boxing match about once every two years so I am certainly no expert, but even though there does seem to be something dodgy about the scorecards I have to say I do see why the referee stopped the fight.

I think if that fight had went on for another 20 seconds then Groves would have been knocked down, he really looked in trouble to me.

Johner · 24-11-2013 01:56PM

Would the fight have been stopped if Froch was in the exact same position as Groves was when he was stopped? The answer is no. Froch is a warrior, he can take all the punishment! But we better protect little George Groves from a beating from the warrior Froch so it's best to stop it.

jayod30 · 24-11-2013 01:58PM

supersean1999 wrote: »

In round 8 Froch got another final warning. 1 min later he hit groves 3 times after ref called break.

After the ref had called break, Groves hit Froch twice in the back if the head. Froch reacted with 3 punches back. All fair really

fsfg · 24-11-2013 02:05PM

moneymad wrote: »

Groves tried to put froch away in the 6th. Froch took his best shots and to be frank was always going to win the fight after round 4. After round 6 he shouldered groves on the way back to his corner,because he knew he had him.

This is nonsense

jayod30 · 24-11-2013 02:09PM

I'm a Froch fan but I really have to say what an awful decision. One of the worst decisions I've seen in boxing in a long time, up the with Bradley v Pacqiaou.

Froch was slow, out of ideas and anyone that thinks he would've finished off Groves is deluding themselves. Froch may have had him on the ropes but Groves was ducking, returning punches proving he was still capable of fighting. Come the end of the round Groves would've no doubt regained his composure and finished off the fight with a points win. Although, I'm not so sure they would've given him that either

Carl Froch vs George Groves

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