ESB vote to strike over gold plated pensions as winter arrives

Gumbo · 23-11-2013 08:31PM

Boombastic wrote: »

the public sector workers are easily spotted in this thread..

The students sitting at home on mammy and daddies wifi are also so very easy to spot. But then again, what has the public sector got to do with this thread?

Frankie5Angels · 23-11-2013 08:32PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

Just being curious who is going to pay this legal action?
If they lose, and costs are giving to ESB, are all employees going to chip in and help them?

Sure how am I supposed to know that?!

Zen65 · 23-11-2013 08:39PM

Frankie5Angels wrote: »

The real world? Their workers stand to lose their pensions, meaning they'll have SFA to fall back on later, many of them with no recourse to a state pension as private sector workers do. That's a pretty scary thought for anyone - is that real enough for you?

I've not been able to read up on the background to this dispute as much as I'd like, but it does seem as though there is a lie being told by somebody. Last week Joan Burton was on Today FM being interviewed about upcoming legislation which would allow for pensioners to share the burden of situations where pension funds & companies went bust simultaneously. Matt Cooper asked her about the ESB situation and she said it was her understanding that the ESB pension is in a very strong position. She clarified that by saying that some deal was done already which ensures that the fund would meet the XXX standard by (2015 or 2016 I think) which seems like a very quick turnaround compared to what other funds are going through?

Frankly my suspicions about this are especially raised because I remember just a dozen or so years ago that guy Ogle appeared to deliberately exaggerate and prolong the CIE strike for reasons that pretty much nobody understood. His track record does seem to suggest that he's not interested in anything but feeding his own ego. I bought a small diesel generator from B&Q for my house the year he became the union boss at ESB because like many people I figured that he would not leave the position without causing another strike. I'm surprised that he's waited this long.

I'm sorry now that I gave the generator away

Z

FixdePitchmark · 23-11-2013 08:39PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

Just being curious who is going to pay this legal action?
If they lose, and costs are giving to ESB, are all employees going to chip in and help them?

The unions would have a large cash fund for this.

Boombastic · 23-11-2013 08:44PM

kceire wrote: »

The students sitting at home on mammy and daddies wifi are also so very easy to spot. But then again, what has the public sector got to do with this thread?

you couldn't be more wrong, but you're entitled to be wrong

Gumbo · 23-11-2013 08:50PM

Boombastic wrote: »

you couldn't be more wrong, but you're entitled to be wrong

So you can speak for every poster in this thread?

Boombastic · 23-11-2013 08:53PM

kceire wrote: »

So you can speak for every poster in this thread?

typical public sector reply

Ace2007 · 23-11-2013 08:57PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

The unions would have a large cash fund for this.

I think you'll see it's not being brought by the unions, if it was then the wouldn't be able to go on strike, wouldn't make any sense to go on strike pending legal action?

FixdePitchmark · 23-11-2013 09:01PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

I think you'll see it's not being brought by the unions, if it was then the wouldn't be able to go on strike, wouldn't make any sense to go on strike pending legal action?

I find it hard to believe that a bunch of individuals are taking case - it says that - but how could they.

I think it said in paper , there is one from each union in ESB , seems rather convenient.

There has to be cash behind it - to take on a company of the scale of The ESB.

FixdePitchmark · 23-11-2013 09:03PM

Boombastic wrote: »

typical public sector reply

What is all this typical this and that.

Could people not make points bout the issues.

People going on about students and public sector and daddy . :rolleyes:

Ace2007 · 23-11-2013 09:04PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I find it hard to believe that a bunch of individuals are taking case - it says that - but how could they.

I think it said in paper , there is one from each union in ESB , seems rather convenient.

There has to be cash behind it - to take on a company of the scale of The ESB.

But you can't possible go on strike if you are taking legal action?

FixdePitchmark · 23-11-2013 09:05PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

But you can't possible go on strike if you are taking legal action?

Yes , so they have Union money , but not under union name.

Clever move.

Fair bit of thinking went into that - unusual.

Gumbo · 23-11-2013 09:07PM

Boombastic wrote: »

typical public sector reply

Typical student reply. Hope mammy doesn't ground you for using up all the internets!

FixdePitchmark · 23-11-2013 09:07PM

kceire wrote: »

Typical student reply. Hope mammy doesn't ground you for using up all the internets!

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Gumbo · 23-11-2013 09:10PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Excuse me sir, you dropped a :rolleyes: , I don't think it's broken so you should be able to put it back in your bag and use it again.

Now, who says young students are thoughtless!

FixdePitchmark · 23-11-2013 09:11PM

kceire wrote: »

Excuse me air, you dropped a :rolleyes: , I don't think it's broken so you should be able to put it back in your bag and use it again.

Now, who says young students are thoughtless!

Is there a Mod around here.

You here to debate - were you ever a student.

Doesn't look like it

P_1 · 23-11-2013 09:11PM

Boombastic wrote: »

typical public sector reply

kceire wrote: »

Typical student reply. Hope mammy doesn't ground you for using up all the internets!

Really, is that the level of people's debating skills? Also what in the name of blue cheese do students and the public sector have to do with proposed industrial action by a semi state company due to the mismanagement of a pension scheme?

Gumbo · 23-11-2013 09:13PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Is there a Mod around here.

You here to debate - were you ever a student.

Doesn't look like it

Quite the opposite sir, but your entitled to be wrong.

P_1 wrote: »

Really, is that the level of people's debating skills? Also what in the name of blue cheese do students and the public sector have to do with proposed industrial action by a semi state company due to the mismanagement of a pension scheme?

Debate. In afterhours. Somebodies on the sauce!

FixdePitchmark · 23-11-2013 09:15PM

kceire wrote: »

Quite the opposite sir, but your entitled to be wrong.

So are your answers typical of a student.

You are sitting there with your 3 cans of Dutch Gold then.

FixdePitchmark · 23-11-2013 09:17PM

kceire wrote: »

Quite the opposite sir, but your entitled to be wrong.

Debate. In afterhours. Somebodies on the sauce!

What has this got to do with having a laugh - you are right AH , is wrong place for it.

Gumbo · 23-11-2013 09:17PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

So are your answers typical of a student.

You are sitting there with your 3 cans of Dutch Gold then.

Maybe Dutch Gold when I'm up the ladder as high as yourself. I'll settle for the window cleaner for now.

FixdePitchmark · 23-11-2013 09:20PM

kceire wrote: »

Maybe Dutch Gold when I'm up the ladder as high as yourself. I'll settle for the window cleaner for now.

Just seems a strange thread to troll.

Anyway - whatever way you get your kicks.

The views are fine with my fine medoc.

Anyway - back to "The Board". On " Boards"

Gumbo · 23-11-2013 09:23PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Just seems a strange thread to troll.

Anyway - whatever way you get your kicks.

The views are fine with my fine medoc.

Anyway - back to "The Board". On " Boards"

In fairness I only trolled a troll as he made a silly public service comment in a thread about the ESB.

I'm against striking but I also have the openness to understand the position that some if the ESB workers are in.

FixdePitchmark · 23-11-2013 09:29PM

kceire wrote: »

In fairness I only trolled a troll as he made a silly public service comment in a thread about the ESB.

I'm against striking but I also have the openness to understand the position that some if the ESB workers are in.

But there is justification to make disparaging remarks about the public sector - we all know there are great people in it, but they know that there are lads who should be ****ed out and haven't worked a day in their lives. Unfortunately for the lads in Public / Semi state jobs - a good few of the lads who rise to the top of the unions are not the worker types. A good few are wasters.

if the ESB go on strike - it will be the end of the union movement in this country for a long while.

That will be a sad day , over a few egos at the top of what is a good company. In fact it could be the best Irish Company we have ever self created.

P_1 · 23-11-2013 09:32PM

To me the best thing that the unions could do is to have a purge of the people currently at the top. They're as detached from reality as the politicians at this stage

Fred Swanson · 23-11-2013 09:34PM

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Ace2007 · 23-11-2013 09:34PM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Yes , so they have Union money , but not under union name.

Clever move.

Fair bit of thinking went into that - unusual.

you think they have union money? - so what they are doing is illegal, as union members have a right to know where money goes.

Frankie5Angels · 23-11-2013 09:39PM

Ace2007 wrote: »

you think they have union money? - so what they are doing is illegal, as union members have a right to know where money goes.

Was just going to post the same - there has to be some sort of transparency for union monies, so how could they tie themselves to an action financially and not be party to it? No doubt it's union-organised, but surely they're not attached in any tangible way.

Riddle101 · 23-11-2013 09:40PM

Sorry to go a little off topic, but I thought of this when I thought of the ESB going on strike.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfptiyTsag8

FixdePitchmark · 23-11-2013 09:41PM

P_1 wrote: »

To me the best thing that the unions could do is to have a purge of the people currently at the top. They're as detached from reality as the politicians at this stage

The only problem is , there is a certain generation - I'll put myself in this.

Say 20 to 40 - the sort of post miner strike group - who have been brainwashed , by Ryanair - PDs - FG, That the union movement is the source of all evil and without them we would be free and wealthy. It is a bit frightening the attitude that has been brainwashed into fairly intelligent friends of mine.

If there was no unions in Ireland - min wages would be lower - profits of large industry would be maximised further - your working hours would be longer - holidays shorter. That is right and that is what great companies (like the esb) do , that is why they are good.

No mater what , you have to have an opposing power to raw capitalism. You have to in a way accept the extremes will be part of forming a sensible moderate opposing force, to raw - profit driven capitalism.

Imagine the likes of Tesco - Ryainair - small businesses, having a free run at terms and conditions of employment in this country. You see the likes of IBEC and SME groups that you see on prime time and VB, they would make us slaves if they could. They almost have.

ESB vote to strike over gold plated pensions as winter arrives

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