Gardaí smash travelling gang.

end of the road · 22-11-2013 04:55PM

UCDVet wrote: »

I'd fully support the death penalty for crimes such as this. I can't imagine a world where anyone who participates in something like that and goes on to do anything that could offset the damage to society they've done.

We'd all be better off if they were killed.

If they have children of their own, it's even more tragic - but let's be honest, the children would be better off *without* parents than being raised by the types of people who would commit these crimes.

thankfully you me or the state don't get to decide who lives or dies and rightly so, the death penalty is gone and not coming back to ireland

end of the road · 22-11-2013 05:00PM

Mint Aero wrote: »

A "gang" in Rathkeale aided and abetted

did they? how do you know that? because the indo said so?

Mint Aero wrote: »

do you think this particular "gang" should be impervious to the law?
lol, accusing somebody of wanting somebody to get away with something because their from an area who has a large population of travelers or are infact a traveler, under the bottom of the barrel stuff

Hitchens · 22-11-2013 05:00PM

end of the road wrote: »

thankfully you me or the state don't get to decide who lives or dies and rightly so, the death penalty is gone and not coming back to ireland

it will be back though

Mint Aero · 22-11-2013 05:01PM

end of the road wrote: »

did they? how do you know that? because the indo said so?
lol, accusing somebody of wanting somebody to get away with something because their from an area who has a large population of travelers or are infact a traveler, under the bottom of the barrel stuff

Huh?!

end of the road · 22-11-2013 05:01PM

Agueroooo wrote: »

Pavee Point come out, come out, Wherever You Are !!!

for what?

end of the road · 22-11-2013 05:10PM

Hitchens wrote: »

it will be back though

no it won't, its illegal under EU law, and as much as theirs a lot wrong with the EU, i'd rather be in it then bankrupt more then we were

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 22-11-2013 05:16PM

Agueroooo wrote: »

Pavee Point come out, come out, Wherever You Are !!!

Why would be Pavee Point be involving themselves in this?
Nothing to do with them!

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 22-11-2013 05:17PM

Mint Aero wrote: »

A "gang" in Rathkeale aided and abetted or do you think this particular "gang" should be impervious to the law?

No evidence at all of any aiding and abetting, not a shred.
Why are you making this shíte up?

kupus · 22-11-2013 05:21PM

Maybe its time for people to start arming themselves ?

Its not as if guns are illegal in Ireland. If you are a farmer or belong to a gun club you are allowed to keep firearms.

Criminals are already carrying so why not ordinary citizens.

Hitchens · 22-11-2013 05:36PM

end of the road wrote: »

no it won't, its illegal under EU law, and as much as theirs a lot wrong with the EU, i'd rather be in it then bankrupt more then we were

the EU won't last either

Mint Aero · 22-11-2013 05:37PM

Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »

No evidence at all of any aiding and abetting, not a shred.
Why are you making this shíte up?

What rock are you living under?

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 22-11-2013 05:38PM

Hitchens wrote: »

the EU won't last either

They have been saying that since the Treaty of Rome in 1957, and it's still here and gets bigger and stronger all the time.

Mint Aero · 22-11-2013 05:40PM

Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »

They have been saying that since the Treaty of Rome in 1957, and it's still here and gets bigger and stronger all the time.

Stronger is one word for it alright

Hitchens · 22-11-2013 05:48PM

Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »

They have been saying that since the Treaty of Rome in 1957, and it's still here and gets bigger and stronger all the time.

so did the USSR

donaghs · 22-11-2013 05:50PM

Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »

Why would be Pavee Point be involving themselves in this?
Nothing to do with them!

I heard a guy from Pavee Point on the radio, around the time some travellers in the UK were found guilty of enslaving homeless people. He first made the point that all people commit crimes, not just travellers, but eventually couldn't resist defending the criminals in that case. He made the point that some of the enslaved said they didn't mind their treatment, "so what was wrong with it then?"

I'm sure the same guy could mount a spirited defence of the robbers in this case!

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 22-11-2013 05:52PM

Hitchens wrote: »

so did the USSR

well we will just have to agree to differ since this thread is not about the EU, it is about a gang of Dublins finest scumbags getting caught at last.Lets just hope they spend a long long time behind bars.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 22-11-2013 05:54PM

donaghs wrote: »

I heard a guy from Pavee Point on the radio, around the time some travellers in the UK were found guilty of enslaving homeless people. He first made the point that all people commit crimes, not just travellers, but eventually couldn't resist defending the criminals in that case. He made the point that some of the enslaved said they didn't mind their treatment, "so what was wrong with it then?"

I'm sure the same guy could mount a spirited defence of the robbers in this case!

Why would he ? Especially since they aint travellers.
Also I would like a link to your claim that Pavee Point defended those who enslaved people, you wont be able to provide one because you're lying about it.

Hitchens · 22-11-2013 05:56PM

Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »

well we will just have to agree to differ since this thread is not about the EU, it is about a gang of Dublins finest scumbags getting caught at last.Lets just hope they spend a long long time behind bars.

yes indeed, I concur with that

Mint Aero · 22-11-2013 06:05PM

Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »

Why would he ? Especially since they aint travellers.
Also I would like a link to your claim that Pavee Point defended those who enslaved people, you wont be able to provide one because you're lying about it.

I haven't mentioned travellers anywhere in this thread. Where are you getting your info from that the perpetrators of this crime were or weren't travellers?

donaghs · 22-11-2013 06:10PM

Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »

Why would he ? Especially since they aint travellers.
Also I would like a link to your claim that Pavee Point defended those who enslaved people, you wont be able to provide one because you're lying about it.

Like I said, it was on the radio. It was either Matt Cooper, the Right Hook or the RTE1 drive time show. I heard the interview, but sorry, I wasn't taking notes on the exact time, the speakers names, etc, in case I was cross-examined on it at a later date.

Mint Aero wrote: »

I haven't mentioned travellers anywhere in this thread. Where are you getting your info from that the perpetrators of this crime were or weren't travellers?

Some of the news outlets are starting to mention it.
"They are from Coolock, north Dublin, and some are members of an extended Traveller family.".
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/seven-arrested-after-family-held-hostage-in-tipperary-1.1602532

Last night there was also mention of a possible connection with Rathkeale gang who had been doing a lot of business in the area, buying and re-selling stuff, including bedding material from the couple's business. Not sure what the very latest is on the possible link.

end of the road · 22-11-2013 06:17PM

Hitchens wrote: »

so did the USSR

whatever happens with the EU, the death penalty isn't coming back to ireland, the irish people have spoken, thats it

Mint Aero · 22-11-2013 06:19PM

donaghs wrote: »

Some of the news outlets are starting to mention it.
"They are from Coolock, north Dublin, and some are members of an extended Traveller family.".
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/seven-arrested-after-family-held-hostage-in-tipperary-1.1602532

Last night there was also mention of a possible connection with Rathkeale gang who had been doing a lot of business in the area, buying and re-selling stuff, including bedding material from the couple's business. Not sure what the very latest is on the possible link.

Oh no, I'm completely shocked :eek:

Bah feckin humbug and end of the road....Sorry but ye did put up a good fight all the same

Hitchens · 22-11-2013 06:23PM

end of the road wrote: »

whatever happens with the EU, the death penalty isn't coming back to ireland, the irish people have spoken, thats it

I disagree

end of the road · 22-11-2013 06:26PM

Mint Aero wrote: »

I haven't mentioned travellers anywhere in this thread. Where are you getting your info from that the perpetrators of this crime were or weren't travellers?

heres a little gem from you that shows what you just wrote to be echanomical with the truth

Mint Aero wrote: »

A "gang" in Rathkeale aided and abetted or do you think this particular "gang" should be impervious to the law?

now its known that Rathkeale is an area with a large traveler community, as another poster suggested that you had no evidence that a gang from this area was involved in this crime you then asked should this gange be exempted from the law, a question usually asked by someone trying to make a dig at the belief that all travelers break the law, of course i could be reading to much into this, but from your posts so far i don't think so

end of the road · 22-11-2013 06:28PM

Hitchens wrote: »

I disagree

you disagree, i say its fact

Mint Aero · 22-11-2013 06:36PM

end of the road wrote: »

heres a little gem from you that shows what you just wrote to be echanomical with the truth

now its known that Rathkeale is an area with a large traveler community, as another poster suggested that you had no evidence that a gang from this area was involved in this crime you then asked should this gange be exempted from the law, a question usually asked by someone trying to make a dig at the belief that all travelers break the law, of course i could be reading to much into this, but from your posts so far i don't think so

You're clutching at straws. What evidence do I need? I'm going by the excellent, hardworking and diligent journalists reporting on this, that's all. It's been reported constantly that a 'gang' in Rathkeale is involved, that their dealing with the family prior to the incident turned sour. Rathkeale is involved according to the media whose word I will take for now until more info comes out.

I'am really puzzled as to why no one in Rathkeale has been arrested yet.

end of the road · 22-11-2013 06:40PM

Mint Aero wrote: »

You're clutching at straws. What evidence do I need? I'm going by the excellent, hardworking and diligent journalists reporting on this, that's all. It's been reported constantly that a 'gang' in Rathkeale is involved, that their dealing with the family prior to the incident turned sour. Rathkeale is involved according to the media whose word I will take for now until more info comes out.

I'am really puzzled as to why no one in Rathkeale has been arrested yet.

because the guardai don't have any evidence, and their not going to pluck some out of thin air or make up some just to please you

Hitchens · 22-11-2013 06:40PM

end of the road wrote: »

you disagree, i say its fact

the tipping point will be reached eventually, the vote will be in favour of bringing it back, and it will merely be a choice of which system to use

Mint Aero · 22-11-2013 06:42PM

end of the road wrote: »

because the guardai don't have any evidence, and their not going to pluck some out of thin air or make up some just to please you

Well as long as they get them eventually I'll be happy. This was a horrendous crime.

end of the road · 22-11-2013 07:01PM

Hitchens wrote: »

the tipping point will be reached eventually, the vote will be in favour of bringing it back, and it will merely be a choice of which system to use

their won't be another vote on it so not going to happen

Gardaí smash travelling gang.

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