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Celtic FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2014/15 Mod Warning post #6011

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  • #5192
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Antifa161 wrote: »
    How would he get a WP for us then?

    The FA that wouldnt endorse his work permit on the grounds of being a special talent.

    If Koki Mizuno could get an endorsement for a work permit from the SFA, this lad can aswell!

    The transfer fee was the stumbling block the last time, AFAIK. Only have to pay a development fee to the MLS now as he's a free agent in January.


  • #5193
    RoisinD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 414 ✭✭RoisinD


    https://twitter.com/strafzaken

    To follow proceedings in Amsterdam court.


  • #5194
    Antifa161
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 438 ✭✭Antifa161


    I don't expect all the Celtic fans to get off. No matter what country you're in if you fight back after the police batter you, you're going to get in trouble for it.

    I just hope the scumbags responsible lose their badge and face some time.


  • #5195
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Antifa161 wrote: »
    I don't expect all the Celtic fans to get off. No matter what country you're in if you fight back after the police batter you, you're going to get in trouble for it.

    I just hope the scumbags responsible lose their badge and face some time.

    Cant see that happening, they'll get a 2 weeks suspension with pay by the time the union has had its say


  • #5196
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Prosecutor is asking the judge to convict all suspects to two months in prison.

    He is also asking the judge to award damages. And for the two detained suspects to stay in pre trial detention.


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  • #5197
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,429 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    The judge is rambling now about how it is OK for undercover police who do not identify themselves to batter the fcuk out of people and also not look at the video evidence and question witnesses and how the police statements can be relied upon. A stitch up if ever there was one


  • #5198
    Antifa161
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 438 ✭✭Antifa161


    Amstedam police awarded damages. I think I'd better just pretend to see the funny side because I'd be banned if I said what I really think...


  • #5199
    A Dub in Glasgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,429 ✭✭✭✭A Dub in Glasgo


    Nothing borderline about it

    Celtic fan 1 - 2 months in prison
    Celtic fan 2 - 2 months in prison
    Celtic fan 3 - 6 weeks in prison
    Celtic fan 4 - 6 weeks in prison
    Celtic fan 5 - 1 month in prison
    Celtic fan 6 - Acquitted

    To think that Ajax fans ran amok in Glasgow and not one arrest and the police run amok in Amsterdam and get a bonus and Celtic fans in prison. Corrupt feckers


  • #5200
    BohsCeltic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭BohsCeltic


    That was an absolute farce

    Their all out tomorrow morning and have two weeks to appeal


  • #5201
    Antifa161
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 438 ✭✭Antifa161


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    To think that Ajax fans ran amok in Glasgow and not one arrest and the police run amok in Amsterdam and get a bonus and Celtic fans in prison. Corrupt feckers
    I presume there were convictions for the Ajax fans who started all the trouble in the first place in Amsterdam? Even still it's suspicious that over half of the arrests were Celtic fans given the numbers of each support, and the fact it was the Ajax scum who started it.

    Shame it was only eight pigs injured, may as well have been more.


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  • #5202
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »
    The judge is rambling now about how it is OK for undercover police who do not identify themselves to batter the fcuk out of people and also not look at the video evidence and question witnesses and how the police statements can be relied upon. A stitch up if ever there was one

    Well, I cant wait for the appeals, they be fools not to, and a full trial where the police & others in authority can face questioning under oath. I think the Judge is hoping those prosecuted dont have the money to appeal.


  • #5203
    Antifa161
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 438 ✭✭Antifa161


    Dempsey wrote: »
    Well, I cant wait for the appeals, they be fools not to, and a full trial where the police & others in authority can face questioning under oath. I think the Judge is hoping those prosecuted dont have the money to appeal.
    There's been a decent amount of fundraising amongst the CSCs, and hopefully our board offer some form of financial support (with the money they save on not paying staff an honest wage). Something tells me Pedro would happily see the fans locked up though.


  • #5204
    dreamers75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,558 ✭✭✭✭dreamers75


    Went to an Ajax Feyenoord match few years ago, lads your wasting your time. Absolute carnage at the game and not one Ajax fan arrested hundreds from Feyenoord tho.

    Sadly i was working in rotterdam at the time and had to travel in the same vicintiy as the Feyenoord fans.


  • #5205
    Lennonist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Lennonist


    The club need to step in here. Lawwell is a big wig with the SFA, with these supporters being harshly treated he needs to knock heads and get it sorted to fund appeals if the supporters in question need it. Celtic supporters should be safe whenever they go to watch Celtic in Europe, there appears to be a problem with Ajax.

    Ajax seem to have become a law unto themselves with Dutch police focussing on visiting fans while being involved in an operation sweeping under the carpet a hooligan problem with Ajax supporters. Milan fans had problems in Amsterdam as well. UEFA need to focus on Amsterdam and the hooliganism that has attached itself to Ajax. They also need to take a look at what the cops in Amsterdam are at when CL games are played in that city.


  • #5206
    Antifa161
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 438 ✭✭Antifa161


    Lennonist wrote: »
    The club need to step in here. Lawwell is a big wig with the SFA, with these supporters being harshly treated he needs to knock heads
    He was complicit when our supporters were being harassed in Scotland so I'd be surprised if he sided with them against a foreign prosecutor.

    Speaking of that, it would be nice to see a bit of solidarity from other football fans (in and outside Scotland). There was even a measure of unity with Rangers over that bollocks fascist Bill that got drafted. It's usually asking a bit much in the world of football though! Mind you I remember when Spurs fans got leathered out in Italy at least their national press were sympathetic. Compare and contrast with Scotland :rolleyes:


  • #5207
    CSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,700 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    Genuinely baffled at how you all seem so sure these guys are innocent.


  • #5208
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    CSF wrote: »
    Genuinely baffled at how you all seem so sure these guys are innocent.

    It seems the reason is that they were attacked by police, and decided to fight back.

    Instead of (like the judge said) get out of the area to avoid any violence.

    I agree that the undercover police were way over the line, but if you get involved in violence then you should face the consequences.

    These are not some poor souls that get locked up abroad for doing nothing, they decided to engage in a fight.


  • #5209
    dublinbhoy88
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 503 ✭✭✭dublinbhoy88


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    It seems the reason is that they were attacked by police, and decided to fight back.

    Instead of (like the judge said) get out of the area to avoid any violence.

    I agree that the undercover police were way over the line, but if you get involved in violence then you should face the consequences.

    These are not some poor souls that get locked up abroad for doing nothing, they decided to engage in a fight.
    well then the police should be prosecuted for using violence so


  • #5210
    Lennonist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Lennonist


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    It seems the reason is that they were attacked by police, and decided to fight back.

    Instead of (like the judge said) get out of the area to avoid any violence.

    I agree that the undercover police were way over the line, but if you get involved in violence then you should face the consequences.

    These are not some poor souls that get locked up abroad for doing nothing, they decided to engage in a fight.

    In big crowds at big matches it can happen that one or two arrests are made for drunken behaviour etc., something else is going on in Amsterdam and I think it's to do with trying to keep a lid on a hooligan problem that is attached to Ajax and keeping them away from opposing fans at all costs.

    The police are supposed to be there to keep the peace and manage the crowds. What the hell is going on when undercover cops are attacking supporters and instigating trouble. There will be a serious incident in Amsterdam at some stage if UEFA turn a blind eye to that and it wont have anything to do with Celtic supporters. Amsterdam is one to watch, something wrong there.


  • #5211
    CSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,700 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    dublinbhoy88 wrote: »
    well then the police should be prosecuted for using violence so

    The police can use force when needed in the likes of a riot to control the situation, difficult to prove that force was excessive (if it even was) and unnecessary.

    Also 'other people were guilty too' isn't a great shout as justification to free the 'Celtic 6'


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  • #5212
    dublinbhoy88
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 503 ✭✭✭dublinbhoy88


    CSF wrote: »
    The police can use force when needed in the likes of a riot to control the situation, difficult to prove that force was excessive (if it even was) and unnecessary.

    Also 'other people were guilty too' isn't a great shout as justification to free the 'Celtic 6'
    maybe the next time our fans are attacked we will just lie down in the street and let the scum beat us to a pulp


  • #5213
    dublinbhoy88
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 503 ✭✭✭dublinbhoy88


    CSF wrote: »
    The police can use force when needed in the likes of a riot to control the situation, difficult to prove that force was excessive (if it even was) and unnecessary.

    Also 'other people were guilty too' isn't a great shout as justification to free the 'Celtic 6'
    You wouldn't happen to be one of those LOI fans that has a chip on their shoulder about Irish people supporting Celtic by any chance?


  • #5214
    Jelle1880
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,894 ✭✭✭Jelle1880


    dublinbhoy88 wrote: »
    maybe the next time our fans are attacked we will just lie down in the street and let the scum beat us to a pulp

    You seem to forget that people were not only arrested for fighting with police.
    They were also attacking a tram that just happened to pass by, for example.


  • #5215
    dublinbhoy88
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 503 ✭✭✭dublinbhoy88


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    Maybe next time your fans should think twice about attacking a tram full of innocent people before taking the moral high ground.

    You seem to forget that people were not only arrested for fighting with police.
    Attacking a tram, you obviously have the intelligence of a rangers fan if you think they were attacking the tram


  • #5216
    Broxi_Bear_Eire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,704 ✭✭✭Broxi_Bear_Eire


    dublinbhoy88 wrote: »
    Attacking a tram, you obviously have the intelligence of a rangers fan if you think they were attacking the tram

    Ok they were trying to attack the people on the team does that make it better to you somehow. I know you will feel the need to bring Rangers into it as you already have had a go at jelle for some reason


  • #5217
    Eirebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    The revisionism on this thread is unreal.
    Ajax fans didn't ransack Glasgow, they broke a few chairs at Parkhead.
    Not as many as Celtic fans at an Underage Old Firm game at Firhill last year mind you.

    The pictures of them being taken to Park head are interesting too, the police using similar tactics to those that caused a stand off between the Green Brigade and the police earlier this year. I think the Green Brigade claimed it was "heavy handed".

    The scenes in Amsterdam were disgusting, whether the police were instigating it or not.
    You only need to view the video of the tram being attacked to understand the mindset of a certain element while there (the guy who runs into the lamp post by the way, priceless!).

    I understand completely that there are times when the police in Europe can be over zealous, the Spurs fans were mentioned earlier and they're not the only ones who fell foul of the Spanish police.
    There were similar claims when Rangers visited Spain a few years back, how did Celtic react to that one?
    Green Bin Bags and a wave of internet propaganda.

    Personally, I don't see the logic in the claims that the police simply dressed in plain clothes looking for a fight. The uniformed ranks could gave done that without question.
    I'm not sure most of you really do either tbh.


  • #5218
    Lennonist
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Lennonist


    Eirebear wrote: »
    The revisionism on this thread is unreal.
    Ajax fans didn't ransack Glasgow, they broke a few chairs at Parkhead.
    Not as many as Celtic fans at an Underage Old Firm game at Firhill last year mind you.

    The pictures of them being taken to Park head are interesting too, the police using similar tactics to those that caused a stand off between the Green Brigade and the police earlier this year. I think the Green Brigade claimed it was "heavy handed".

    The scenes in Amsterdam were disgusting, whether the police were instigating it or not.
    You only need to view the video of the tram being attacked to understand the mindset of a certain element while there (the guy who runs into the lamp post by the way, priceless!).

    I understand completely that there are times when the police in Europe can be over zealous, the Spurs fans were mentioned earlier and they're not the only ones who fell foul of the Spanish police.
    There were similar claims when Rangers visited Spain a few years back, how did Celtic react to that one?
    Green Bin Bags and a wave of internet propaganda.

    Personally, I don't see the logic in the claims that the police simply dressed in plain clothes looking for a fight. The uniformed ranks could gave done that without question.
    I'm not sure most of you really do either tbh.

    I think there's a wider story of what's happening in Amsterdam on matchdays that you are ignoring in your attempt to pointscore against the reputation of Celtic fans. There was trouble with Milan fans this season in Amsterdam as well, not to the same extent but they didn't travel in the same numbers.

    Celtic have played in Europe for many years and their fans have traveled in large numbers to support them with little trouble accruing and in fact they have a very good reputation by enlarge. Maybe there were one or two that stepped out of line in Amsterdam if they retaliated or got involved in social unrest. However I think there may be a bigger problem for UEFA in Amsterdam and with the way they are policing games, due perhaps to a hooligan element that is attached to Ajax and their desperation to keep a lid on that and keep them away from opposing fans. It will be interesting to see what happens next time an EPL side goes to Amsterdam, with large numbers of supporters in tow.


  • #5219
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    UEFA dont give a **** about what happens outside of the stadium


  • #5220
    Eirebear
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭Eirebear


    Lennonist wrote: »
    I think there's a wider story of what's happening in Amsterdam on matchdays that you are ignoring in your attempt to pointscore against the reputation of Celtic fans. There was trouble with Milan fans this season in Amsterdam as well, not to the same extent but they didn't travel in the same numbers.

    Celtic have played in Europe for many years and their fans have traveled in large numbers to support them with little trouble accruing and in fact they have a very good reputation by enlarge. Maybe there were one or two that stepped out of line in Amsterdam if they retaliated or got involved in social unrest. However I think there may be a bigger problem for UEFA in Amsterdam and with the way they are policing games, due perhaps to a hooligan element that is attached to Ajax and their desperation to keep a lid on that and keep them away from opposing fans. It will be interesting to see what happens next time an EPL side goes to Amsterdam, with large numbers of supporters in tow.

    Believe me, i couldn't give a toss about point scoring over your reputation - simply trying to bring a bit of realism back into the thread and point out a few of the hypocrisies already contained within.
    I understand that there are hooligan issues surrounding Ajax right now, it still doesn't add any logic to "The Policemen Dressed Up As Casuals And Beat Us Up" does it?
    It still doesn't change the scenes we were treated to with Celtic fans, possibly in reaction to intimidation and/or heavy handed tactics, reacted with violence.
    It still doesn't change the fact that Ajax fans did not wreck Glasgow, and no matter how many times it was said it won't change that fact.

    They got into a scrap, they got caught, they got punished.
    It happens week in, week out around football matches all over Europe - Including Celtic matches.
    They're not martyrs, stop making them out to be.


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  • #5221
    Dempsey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,529 ✭✭✭✭Dempsey


    Celtic Press Conference on Twitter
    Fraser Forster speaking to media on first England cap: "Been around squad for a while and it was nice to play and get that first cap." (MH)

    FF: "I have worked hard and finally got it. It was really good and a great experience." (MH)

    FF: "Chile were very good but we had made changes & was a case of giving people experience & giving people some game-time they needed." (MH)

    FF: "Always said that I would love to go a World Cup in Brazil. It's special and a once in a lifetime opportunity. (MH)

    FF: "Just a case of me trying to do everything I can, putting in performances for Celtic & seeing what happens later on in the season." (MH)

    FF: "You have to work hard, put the hours in training & gym, and fundamentally, put performances in for Celtic and see what happens." (MH)

    FF: "Celtic is a massive club with a huge support and one that has progressed over recent years." (MH)

    FF: "The exposure from the CL has been brilliant and has benefited me and a lot of the lads. It's just a case of seeing what happens." (MH)

    FF: "Everyone is looking forward to the game on Tuesday but we have an important game first at the weekend." (MH)

    Neil Lennon speaking to media: "Hoping James Forrest will be fit for Tuesday but tomorrow may be too soon. Everyone else ok." (MH)

    NL on Celtic players qualifying for WC: "Wonderful, but tinge of disappointment with Mikael." (MH)

    NL: "Sweden came up against Ronaldo who is probably playing best football ever." (MH)

    NL: "But of the likes of Georgios, Efe, Emilio, Fraser and Tom, and potentially, Virgil, we may have a lot of representation." (MH)

    NL: "Fantastic for them and all very happy for them and all proud of their achievements." (MH)

    NL: "A lot of talk over years of how poor Scottish game is and we have a player winning a cap for England. Fantastic for the player." (MH)

    NL: "Fantastic for people like Stevie Woods, and for the club as a whole. Great for club's whole reputation." (MH)

    NL: "Don't want it to be short-term thing for him regarding England. Think he has potential and game to be around squad for long time." (MH)

    NL: "Regardless if they are in WC or not, want them to keep their standards high. But extra incentive for them. A big carrot for them." (MH)

    NL on Joe Ledley: "Had good chat with Joe on Wed. A private conversation. Hoping things will get moving along, one way or another." (MH)

    NL: "He has indicated to me that he loves it here, so that's a very good sign." (MH)

    NL: "There is an offer on the table and just waiting for his representatives to come up and negotiate things through." (MH)

    NL on Amsterdam events: "Obviously, I can't comment on what happened yday as appeal process going on." (MH)

    NL: "A lot went on in first game at Celtic Park, scenes I hadn't seen from opposition fans before." (MH)

    NL: "A lot going on in Amsterdam and majority of our fans feel aggrieved at the way they were treated." (MH)

    NL: "Have since seen the banner and personally find that offensive, not just to myself but I'm sure to a huge amount of our fans." (MH)

    NL: "Immense provocation. Our supporters a credit to the club. Have a fantastic reputation & won't be marred by one night." (MH)

    NL: "Seen a lot of footage, don't know full details, but didn't like what I saw. Hoping that justice is done in the end." (MH)

    NL: "We don't condone violence, and if we are aware of it, the club will deal with it. But our fans are fantastic." (MH)

    NL: "They mix well with majority of clubs, and have partnerships with clubs at home and abroad." (MH)

    NL: "They have great relationships wherever they go and in my time here anyway, this is a one-off." (MH)

    I think there will be a real sense of disappointment if Celtic cannot thrash out a deal for Ledley. Fantastic player since day 1.

    As for the Amsterdam issue, Lennon spoke alot of sense. Its strange that those provoked by hooligans & undercover police that didnt identify themselves are the ones in the dock but when you see the trend that is prevalent in Amsterdam, it makes you want to avoid the place for a long time in future.


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