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Farmer Pudsey · 19-11-2013 09:42PM

aneala wrote: »

What did factories used to do with all these big cuts from 420+ carcasses. Why is it only now they can't find a market for them all of a sudden.

I accept that the big steaks are not what retailer want but they must have had a market for them previously or were carcasses never this big before?

Muckit wrote: »

I think it's all just a load of bolony cooked up by the factories. Plenty of markets for big steaks on the continent. Non of this stryfoam size crap.

Price is the big issue, go into any supermarket and look at the steaks. Some of these steaks would cost 20 euro each if sold as striploins. Supermarkets want 2 steaks for less than a tenner, they can only cut so thin.

This is not made up by factory's this is reality, don't shoot the messenger. Best market for our beef is the UK, most consumers are cutting down on portion sizes, we are now at the height of the Christmas kill, resturants/hotels can only charge so much for meals even the 5 yoyo's extra wold not cover these steaks.

dharn · 19-11-2013 09:53PM

MfMan wrote: »

CHX? Cattle have thrived quite well on grass even a long way into this backend.

No red lim x, big tall frame of a bullock has a good bit of meal gotten mad to think I could have killed him 3 weeks ago and got more money he went from 520 kgs in end feb to 800 kg today

stand on!! · 19-11-2013 10:17PM

Marooned75 wrote: »

Has to be a market looking at the weight on some of these bullocks

What mart was this from?

aneala · 19-11-2013 10:18PM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Price is the big issue, go into any supermarket and look at the steaks. Some of these steaks would cost 20 euro each if sold as striploins. Supermarkets want 2 steaks for less than a tenner, they can only cut so thin.

This is not made up by factory's this is reality, don't shoot the messenger. Best market for our beef is the UK, most consumers are cutting down on portion sizes, we are now at the height of the Christmas kill, resturants/hotels can only charge so much for meals even the 5 yoyo's extra wold not cover these steaks.

I'm not disputing the retail costs of these cuts. I'm just wondering what factories did with them up to this when they were not cutting rates for large carcasses?

Marooned75 · 19-11-2013 10:21PM

stand on!! wrote: »

What mart was this from?

Ballymahon

stand on!! · 19-11-2013 10:25PM

Marooned75 wrote: »

Ballymahon

Passed through there today, is it heavy cattle or weanlings on a tuesday?

Farmer Pudsey · 19-11-2013 10:45PM

aneala wrote: »

I'm not disputing the retail costs of these cuts. I'm just wondering what factories did with them up to this when they were not cutting rates for large carcasses?

At present the UK market is the most profitable to supply cattle to. This is mainly supermarket trade. In todays indo in France an R3 young bull is making 4.03/kg in Italy he is making 4.28/kg. So our factory's supplying France are losing (France is great to take those big carcasses) , to Italy are breaking even maybe and so on right across Europe. At present at a base of 4/kg an R3 bullock is making 4.12/kg.

Now the UK is highly profitable with an equivalent price of around 5/kg but this is for UK beef. We are more than likely selling at a discount. We could more than likely sell more if we could keep carcase weights down. From Christmas on the gap with the UK will close as our prices have to climb or winter finishers will lose money.

The factory's are trying to have more product for the UK market which is the most profitable because as this time of year our gap with the rest of Europe will widen.

Maybe they perceive that with the export problem they will have 20K more bulls to kill and want to encourage farmers to kill cattle at lowe weights with a product they find easier to shift. Maybe they should penalise heavy cattle harder and give me more for my Friesian that are to UK spec. But then everybody would be crying for the poor Sucker sorry, suckler farmer

Marooned75 · 19-11-2013 11:17PM

stand on!! wrote: »

Passed through there today, is it heavy cattle or weanlings on a tuesday?

Weanlings

manjou · 20-11-2013 08:40AM

The smaller the cuts the more they can charge per kilo as when people are buying all they see is price Aldi and Lidl sell aa and he steaks at 2 for about a tenner but when you look at price per kg it is over 22 euro.At end of the day people can only afford smaller amounts these days.Also if you reduce carcase weight by 10% across the board it is same or more than all the cattle exported. Another thing there is nothing wrong with fr or even jersey when on plate most people cant tell difference.

huey1975 · 20-11-2013 08:02PM

Marooned75 wrote: »

Ballymahon

Yeah but it was the annual fatstock sale so not really a representative sample

dharn · 20-11-2013 09:50PM

I hear kepak athleague are cutting base for out of spec to 380

Marooned75 · 20-11-2013 10:50PM

huey1975 wrote: »

Yeah but it was the annual fatstock sale so not really a representative sample

Still a market for them

freedominacup · 21-11-2013 08:36PM

€3.70 for O grading HO bulls from 2 factories today.

Weighed 2 of the bunch, average age 20 months, 660kgs ea. They're at the end of the 100 days so for the hook next week. Thankfully we need the space in the shed.

mahoney_j · 21-11-2013 08:48PM

Have 3 cull frxholstein cows fit to next week.mart trade crap so going to go to abp in Nenagh.theyvweigh 765 and 740 kg.what sort of price could a lad expect for them.non qa stock.also what sort of kill out% would I expect.50%????forgot to add they were dried off 6 weeks ago and areout on grass and 7 kg daily of a barley ,citrus distillers mix.

freedominacup · 21-11-2013 08:50PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Have 3 cull frxholstein cows fit to next week.mart trade crap so going to go to abp in Nenagh.theyvweigh 765 and 740 kg.what sort of price could a lad expect for them.non qa stock.also what sort of kill out% would I expect.50%????forgot to add they were dried off 6 weeks ago and areout on grass and 7 kg daily of a barley ,citrus distillers mix.

They should do 350kg.

simx · 21-11-2013 11:12PM

o grade cows 3.25
p grade cows 2.80
non qa

bob charles · 22-11-2013 01:44AM

most plants have no interest in cows at the moment, being non QA you may find it hard to get anything over €3 kilo for them if they are O grade

jimmydkid · 22-11-2013 08:08AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Have 3 cull frxholstein cows fit to next week.mart trade crap so going to go to abp in Nenagh.theyvweigh 765 and 740 kg.what sort of price could a lad expect for them.non qa stock.also what sort of kill out% would I expect.50%????forgot to add they were dried off 6 weeks ago and areout on grass and 7 kg daily of a barley ,citrus distillers mix.

Did you try Ashbourne meats in Roscrea? I found that abp were not that keen on cows

jomoloney · 22-11-2013 11:21AM

jimmydkid wrote: »

Did you try Ashbourne meats in Roscrea? I found that abp were not that keen on cows

+1

Farmer Pudsey · 22-11-2013 02:09PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Have 3 cull frxholstein cows fit to next week.mart trade crap so going to go to abp in Nenagh.theyvweigh 765 and 740 kg.what sort of price could a lad expect for them.non qa stock.also what sort of kill out% would I expect.50%????forgot to add they were dried off 6 weeks ago and areout on grass and 7 kg daily of a barley ,citrus distillers mix.

Depending on if they have a bit of flesh on them they could kill from 330kgs on. Last 3-4 weeks was had on cattle fresians like that would need a lot of grass with ration. They would ned 20kgs of DM/day ration would provide 6kgs of it. most grass was water and is not suiltable for cattle that are finishing. You may struggle to get 900 in the factory before fees are deducted. Did you weight or are you estimating the weight. Also beware some farctory's are penalising for P= or less cattle by 50c/kg

Factorys have access to alot of cattle off grass that are vwell fleshed they are concentrating the kill on these at present.

Milked out · 28-11-2013 11:59PM

P= 3=, 3.10/kg 7 yr old cull cow
0- 3=, 3.10/kg 3.5 yr old cull cow
p+ 4=, 3.10 kg 4 yr old cull cow
P+ 2+, 3/kg heifer calved down with mastitis never milked and sent 45 days later
p- 1-, 1.40/kg cull cow still milking who got mastitis again so sent her off with the rest

They were sent 10 days ago.

Muckit · 29-11-2013 12:13AM

QPS

l think s coughlan is talking great sense in ifj this week.

Why are the bonuses still set at 6c between grades?? When or what will see them increase?

Surely it should be a percentage figure of base price rather than a static figure?

Farmer Pudsey · 29-11-2013 02:11AM

Muckit wrote: »

QPS

l think s coughlan is talking great sense in ifj this week.

Why are the bonuses still set at 6c between grades?? When or what will see them increase?

Surely it should be a percentage figure of base price rather than a static figure?

You also have to factor in carcase weight the higher you go in grades the more likely that cattle are outside supermarket spec. I think well fed Friesian cattle are way under priced as any that go to grass will Miss QA. QA is now worth 12c/Kg it is a huge factor in cattle price. Well Fed Friesian are often 1-2 months over age but 50% are killing O= and O+ so just outside QA.

Good suckler bred cattle finishing over 400kgs are unsuitable for supermarket spec in the UK which is the premium market at present. These cattle are only suitable for Italian and French/Belgian market which is paying below Irish prices at present.

TippNorth · 17-12-2013 03:07PM

Sent some british friesian bullocks to the factory last week, they were all over age by 2-3 months. Bought them back in March and they were only 340kg's on average, they looked like they had a hard winter last year with the previous owner. The got decent grass all summer and 5 kg's of meal for the last 6 weeks while still at grass. All graded O , mostly O=, 3= or 3+, except one that graded U=3+. I just thought that was an unreal grade for a friesian, and the funny thing was he was one of the smallest bullocks in the group only 270kg carcass weight! whereas most of the others were 300-320kgs carcass?

simx · 17-12-2013 03:12PM

Quoted €3/kg flat for o&p cows non qa
Dawn meats

Farmer Pudsey · 18-12-2013 12:21AM

TippNorth wrote: »

Sent some british friesian bullocks to the factory last week, they were all over age by 2-3 months. Bought them back in March and they were only 340kg's on average, they looked like they had a hard winter last year with the previous owner. The got decent grass all summer and 5 kg's of meal for the last 6 weeks while still at grass. All graded O , mostly O=, 3= or 3+, except one that graded U=3+. I just thought that was an unreal grade for a friesian, and the funny thing was he was one of the smallest bullocks in the group only 270kg carcass weight! whereas most of the others were 300-320kgs carcass?

Was he very square did he stand out as a small butty animal he may have been a BBX that was registered as a FRX. Some cattle that are done bad in this case done bad for two winters finish at light weights. What was the base price. You put about 270kgs on them.

A U= bullock would have a very square back end. What was the Base price you got.

ellewood · 18-12-2013 12:25AM

simx wrote: »

Quoted €3/kg flat for o&p cows non qa
Dawn meats

Got paid 2.94 for P cows last week

The Qa bonus is only 4 cent on cows in Dawn

Brown Podzol · 18-12-2013 12:57AM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

Was he very square did he stand out as a small butty animal he may have been a BBX that was registered as a FRX. Some cattle that are done bad in this case done bad for two winters finish at light weights. What was the base price. You put about 270kgs on them.

A U= bullock would have a very square back end. What was the Base price you got.

I had a U grade pure Holstein bull last year. Friend said to me that there is a farmer somewhere in the country that's very disappointed with his P grade BB.:D

Farmer Pudsey · 18-12-2013 01:00AM

Brown Podzol wrote: »

I had a U grade pure Holstein bull last year. Friend said to me that there is a farmer somewhere in the country that's very disappointed with his P grade BB.:D

That was my other taught.

freedominacup · 18-12-2013 07:39AM

Brown Podzol wrote: »

I had a U grade pure Holstein bull last year. Friend said to me that there is a farmer somewhere in the country that's very disappointed with his P grade BB.:D

There's going to be plenty of p grade "Limosuins" around in the next few years unless the marts clamp down hard.

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