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ESB vote to strike over gold plated pensions as winter arrives

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  • #362
    dumb_as_dirt
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 14 ✭dumb_as_dirt


    hallo dare wrote: »
    We do, ESB still have full control over the transmission. If you are with Bord Gais or whoever and you have a problem, it's still ESB that do the repair works to the lines.

    ditto with eircom if you need a phone installed or repaired , doesn't matter if BT or Vodafone is on your phone bill , eircom get a cut

    neither eircom or ESB are private companies in the true sense of the word , the line that ESB are very profitable is a bad joke , so was aer lingus thirty years ago when it cost 300 pound to fly to London


  • #363
    WilyCoyote
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    When Robert Maxwell gambled away The Daily Mirror Pension Fund he was universally reviled. What he did was immoral, corrupt and disengenous. He was a spoofer and con artist. Can this not be said about the government?

    What problem did squaring this circle solve?

    But unlike the Maxwell case, no heads will roll here.

    Having said that, people should not have to worry about electricity cuts in the cold weather. If this does happen then Ogle will become a pariah.

    Could the army not start training men to work the power stations if the worst comes to the worst? After all, it can't be rocket science.

    Arthur Scargill was the Brendan Ogle of the 70s. He started off with a big union and a small house ........ eventually hit the buffers, finishing up with a small union and a big house.


  • #364
    [Deleted User]
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    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    and with this attitude, its no wonder the country is f*cked. you have to earn the right to a job, not just turn up and do f8ck all as seems to be the attitude of many irish people.

    we go on about workers conditions and discrimination in this country as if we were back in the 1800s and the entire country was working on spud farms for 2 pence a month.

    if you are not happy in a job, f*ck off and somebody else who will be happy in it and probably do a great job it, will take it.

    You really haven't a clue if you think it would be good for anyone if unions didn't exist. Without unions we would be more or less slaves. Do you not realise the conditions people worked under without unions and how hard generations of people fought to have someone to stand up to employers?

    Even if you don't have a union in your own job, the reason you have good working conditions is still down to unions as it forced all companies, and businesses to raise there standards to proper levels and treat staff fairly as the precedent was being set by work places with unions.

    The ESB workers have every right to go out on strike, its disgraceful to even suggest attacking their pensions like that. I'd be the first person on the picket line if I worked there.


  • #365
    Caliden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,981 ✭✭✭Caliden


    Joan Burton was hilarious on the Last Word yesterday evening when Matt Cooper asked her what she thought about the possibility of strike action.

    Her response was something along the lines of "ah well, they won't do that, they can't be leaving people without electricity..." I had to laugh.

    She was basically saying it was the DUTY of those not to go on strike....what a naive bint she is


  • #366
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Jett Nervous Pen wrote: »
    You really haven't a clue if you think it would be good for anyone if unions didn't exist. Without unions we would be more or less slaves. Do you not realise the conditions people worked under without unions and how hard generations of people fought to have someone to stand up to employers?

    Even if you don't have a union in your own job, the reason you have good working conditions is still down to unions as it forced all companies, and businesses to raise there standards to proper levels and treat staff fairly as the precedent was being set by work places with unions.

    The ESB workers have every right to go out on strike, its disgraceful to even suggest attacking their pensions like that. I'd be the first person on the picket line if I worked there.
    Some of the multi nationals here won't engage with unions, are their workers slaves?


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  • #367
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,718 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Jett Nervous Pen wrote: »
    You really haven't a clue if you think it would be good for anyone if unions didn't exist. Without unions we would be more or less slaves. Do you not realise the conditions people worked under without unions and how hard generations of people fought to have someone to stand up to employers?

    Even if you don't have a union in your own job, the reason you have good working conditions is still down to unions as it forced all companies, and businesses to raise there standards to proper levels and treat staff fairly as the precedent was being set by work places with unions.

    The ESB workers have every right to go out on strike, its disgraceful to even suggest attacking their pensions like that. I'd be the first person on the picket line if I worked there.
    This is total nonsense.

    Is that the sort of laughable stuff Unions spout when they're trying to get you to part with your hard earned cash every month? :pac:


  • #368
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    did slaves have a labour court?


  • #369
    Fishyfreak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 576 ✭✭✭Fishyfreak


    So to summarise the thread: A company has mismanaged the pensions of their workers but the workers are unreasonable for wanting something to be done about it.

    Jesus wept.


  • #370
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Some of the multi nationals here won't engage with unions, are their workers slaves?

    No they are not and the reason is because of unions in other areas setting the bar high and other non unionised companies having no choice but operate to similar standards.

    I cant understand why any worker would be anti-union, surely every worker would love to be in a union rather than on here complaining about them. I'd wager its good old begrudgery, "if I cant have a union, no one should". It is a simple fact that everyone if they have union representation or not would be worse off today without unions.


  • #371
    Fishyfreak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 576 ✭✭✭Fishyfreak


    Jett Nervous Pen wrote: »
    good old begrudgery

    This is what this thread should be renamed to!

    NAIL........ON...........HEAD


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  • #372
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Jett Nervous Pen wrote: »
    No they are not and the reason is because of unions in other areas setting the bar high and other non unionised companies having no choice but operate to similar standards.

    I cant understand why any worker would be anti-union, surely every worker would love to be in a union rather than on here complaining about them. I'd wager its good old begrudgery, "if I cant have a union, no one should". It is a simple fact that everyone if they have union representation or not would be worse off today without unions.

    Unions did their job at the time when there was no other course of action to take, no min wage etc, they are outdated


  • #373
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    Fishyfreak wrote: »
    So to summarise the thread: A company has mismanaged the pensions of their workers but the workers are unreasonable for wanting something to be done about it.

    Jesus wept.
    No, the workers are unreasonable for calling for a strike to be held in the middle of winter, obviously.


  • #374
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Fishyfreak wrote: »
    So to summarise the thread: A company has mismanaged the pensions of their workers but the workers are unreasonable for wanting something to be done about it.

    Jesus wept.

    Have the people who mismanaged the funds been identified and sacked without pension? or are they the same people looking for more?


  • #375
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,773 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Unions did their job at the time when there was no other course of action to take, no min wage etc, they are outdated

    And who is going to stand up for workers then. Who would be standing up for the ESB workers, these people would lose the pensions if it weren't for the union. Who would stand up for all the other worker in other areas who would most certainly be forced onto worse wages or working conditions were it not for unions.

    Would you not like to have a union fighting your corner?


  • #376
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,746 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Black cat banger wrote: »
    Look ! What get's up most peoples noses is not so much that the ESB bully boys are threatening strike action but that they are doing it at Christmas!
    why? whats so special or different about christmas that a strike shouldn't happen? some of us aren't bothered about christmas as it boars the **** out of us so them going on strike at christmas wouldn't make a difference to some either way
    Black cat banger wrote: »
    Previous posters have mentioned the arduous nature of some of the work carried out by the guys who fix the lines after storms etc. and I have no dispute with that.
    good, because theirs no dispute with such a thing.
    Black cat banger wrote: »
    Behind them , though is an army of cosseted clerical and managerial grades who even their own Union man describes a privileged!
    begarra begosh shur you wouldn't find that anywhere else? the private banks maybe?
    Black cat banger wrote: »
    They paid their CEO shedloads of money and you can be sure that all the senior managers in that company are trousering salaries that would make the ordinary working person green with envy.
    and? anyone who gets a good wage these days makes many of the ordinary working people green with envy, we can't have someone getting more then someone else after all, don't tell me theirs no private company paying management high wages and i'm not talking about small businesses
    Black cat banger wrote: »
    At a time when the country is just beginning to recover from recession ...this type of action from these people is just not on.
    yes it very much is, its the last resort, obviously everything else has been tried to no avail

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #377
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,746 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    grainnewhale wrote: »
    I am getting sick of the usual public service ****, like these guys going out at night in storms. If and its a big if these guys go out outside there normal hours its on treble their already inflated wages. How many ****ing storms do we get in this country. The hardest part of working in the ESB is trying to look busy.
    lol, tripple wages? yeah right, dream on, they don't get tripple time for storms

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #378
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Jett Nervous Pen wrote: »
    And who is going to stand up for workers then. Who would be standing up for the ESB workers, these people would lose the pensions if it weren't for the union. Who would stand up for all the other worker in other areas who would most certainly be forced onto worse wages or working conditions were it not for unions.

    Would you not like to have a union fighting your corner?

    no I wouldn't tbh, over paid fat cats out of touch with reality. I'll take my chances. would you be able to shed any light on my last question?


  • #379
    [Deleted User]
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    Boombastic wrote: »
    no I wouldn't tbh, over paid fat cats out of touch with reality. I'll take my chances. would you be able to shed any light on my last question?

    I already did, unions being in existence, even if not in a particular company still would be keeping pay and conditions up in many other areas/companies etc which in turn forces non unionised companies to stick to similar standards.


  • #380
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,746 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    TireeTerror wrote: »
    Energia produce enough power to provide power for 1.2 million homes, nevermind what Bord Gais and Airtricity generate. We dont exclusively rely upon ESB and their shower of crooks.
    shower of crooks? lol
    TireeTerror wrote: »
    Just because its money from our pockets that pays for all such companies, does not invalidate my point.
    what point?
    TireeTerror wrote: »
    You saw what happened in Grangemouth oil refinery in Scotland just recently? Trade unions trying to act the bully, directors called their bluff and announced the next day that the plant would close. Suddenly the reality of their greed smacked them in the face and the trade unions went back to the table backtracking and begging for the directors to offer them the deal they had previously refused.
    the unions weren't greedy, and i can bet that both the directors and the union pulled this stunt together, if they weren't then they wouldn't have gotten the deal back, the plant would have just closed as the directors weren't going to risk another similar situation

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #381
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    end of the road wrote: »
    why? whats so special or different about christmas that a strike shouldn't happen? some of us aren't bothered about christmas as it boars the **** out of us so them going on strike at christmas wouldn't make a difference to some either way
    So you're happy to sit in the cold then, yeah with a few candles around you? And you're happy for that for everyone, including the very young and old? Not everyone has a fire place to huddle around.
    There's also the wider effect on businesses, access to money (both for yourself and B2B transactions), supplies etc.
    It's not just about people not being able to watch a Christmas special.


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  • #382
    periodictable
    Closed Accounts Posts: 931 ✭✭✭periodictable


    Jett Nervous Pen wrote: »
    Who would stand up for all the other worker in other areas who would most certainly be forced onto worse wages or working conditions were it not for unions.
    The unions sold out years ago.
    Who remembers the case of the Turkish workers with GAMA, who were fleeced by their employers, with nary a union interested in their plight until Joe Higgins raised the issue in the Dail?
    Embarrassed about it, they suddenly seized the issue for themselves.
    Anyhow, how can any union boss justify the massive salaries/expenses and perks that come with the job? It's a case of two legs better than four.


  • #383
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,746 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    TireeTerror wrote: »
    I see them out here in the countryside all the time, 3 vans and 8 of them hanging around while a couple of them erect a pole.

    I don't blame those guys, if you have an easy job and get well paid, great for you. However don't expect any sympathy from the paying public when you start threatening strike action.

    It's good news for all the Airtricity sales reps though, those guys are making a killing with all the hostility aimed at ESB though.....suddnely Electric Ireland reps are no longer lying at the door saying "Im here from ESB" its very much changed to "Hi, Im from Electric Ireland...no, no, no we are not striking, we are Electric Ireland, nothing to do with ESB.........!"
    yeah, continue to make up nonsense, anyone who changes company because of the company their with threatening a strike rather than wanting to get a cheeper service deserves what they get

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #384
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    Jett Nervous Pen wrote: »
    And who is going to stand up for workers then. Who would be standing up for the ESB workers, these people would lose the pensions if it weren't for the union. Who would stand up for all the other worker in other areas who would most certainly be forced onto worse wages or working conditions were it not for unions.

    Would you not like to have a union fighting your corner?[/QUOTE]

    Are you suggesting that the the people that didn't take a pay cut when everyone else was forced to do so, are fighting for the ordinary man, while on the cocktail circuit.


  • #385
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,746 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    Could the army not start training men to work the power stations if the worst comes to the worst? After all, it can't be rocket science.
    oh yes its very close to rocket science, training up the army to run things like power stations would be a dangerous move, it would take years as they have to understand every little bit even the science behind a power station.
    WilyCoyote wrote: »
    Arthur Scargill was the Brendan Ogle of the 70s. He started off with a big union and a small house ........ eventually hit the buffers, finishing up with a small union and a big house.
    and he outlived mrs thatcher who even though she stole his boys jobs she failed to destroy him

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #386
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,746 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Some of the multi nationals here won't engage with unions, are their workers slaves?
    theY COULD BE RATHER vunerable yes

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #387
    c_man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,436 ✭✭✭c_man


    Jett Nervous Pen wrote: »
    surely every worker would love to be in a union

    With all due respect, balls to that.


  • #388
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,746 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Unions did their job at the time when there was no other course of action to take, no min wage etc, they are outdated
    NO THEIR NOT, THEIR RELEVANT AND NECESSARY

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #389
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    end of the road wrote: »
    NO THEIR NOT, THEIR RELEVANT AND NECESSARY

    you must be in the union, stop trying to use their bullyboy tactics by shouting at me :(


  • #390
    melekalikimaka
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    end of the road wrote: »
    NO THEIR NOT, THEIR RELEVANT AND NECESSARY

    They're*


    ;)


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  • #391
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,746 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    melekalikimaka wrote: »
    They're*


    ;)
    necessary and relevant

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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