British soldiers admit shoot-to-kill policy. BBC Panorama tonight

WilyCoyote · 21-11-2013 04:22PM #1

Finally British soldiers admit they shot unarmed people in Belfast because they thought they may be in the IRA. The Ministry of Defence refers data to Police. And the outcome? Another expensive whitewash more than likely. So, a murder is not a murder if done by the Brits?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2511028/Secret-British-Army-undercover-unit-shot-killed-unarmed-civilians-believed-IRA-members.html

MonstaMash · 21-11-2013 04:23PM

Surprise, surprise :eek: :rolleyes:

Boombastic · 21-11-2013 04:26PM

they're late Sunday world had it last week

Captain Farrell · 21-11-2013 04:28PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Finally British soldiers admit they shot unarmed people in Belfast because they thought they may be in the IRA. The Ministry of Defence refers data to Police. And the outcome? Another expensive whitewash more than likely. So, a murder is not a murder if done by the Brits?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2511028/Secret-British-Army-undercover-unit-shot-killed-unarmed-civilians-believed-IRA-members.html

"The Brits"? No, the British.

Tramps Like Us · 21-11-2013 04:30PM

This has been known for years but people were called liars for saying it.... coincidence I'm sure that the AG came out and said that no one (soldier, IRA volunteer, loyalist) who committed a crime before the GFA should be prosecuted. Complete coincidence.

There's much more to come out still.

Tramps Like Us · 21-11-2013 04:30PM

Captain Farrell wrote: »

"The Brits"? No, the British.

THAT is what you have to say about the admission that a secret, disguised, undercover Brit army group murdered innocent Irish men and women?

Ten of Swords · 21-11-2013 04:32PM

Boombastic wrote: »

they're late Sunday world had it last week

This was reported on almost a year ago

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2252237/The-murder-mayhem-squad-Shocking-new-revelations-undercover-soldier-carried-shoot-ask-questions-later-attacks-IRA-terrorists-British-Army.html

Feisar · 21-11-2013 04:33PM

While having no love of British policy in Northern Ireland I find it hard to blame the individual soldiers. They are trained to soldier, not police. Train up a highly aggressive force (Paras for example) and then not expect them to use force and aggression to deal with problems!?!?

MonstaMash · 21-11-2013 04:33PM

Captain Farrell wrote: »

"The Brits"? No, the British.

Same difference, Sássanachs are Sássanachs...but sure go on ahead & start a 100+ page debate about it Captain...

Oh wait, here comes Bumper 234, Lord Sutch & Fratton Fred to the rescue :rolleyes:

jimgoose · 21-11-2013 04:34PM

Bad business. I'm reminded of the CIA's Phoenix Program in Vietnam.

Captain Farrell · 21-11-2013 04:34PM

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

THAT is what you have to say about the admission that a secret, disguised, undercover Brit army group murdered innocent Irish men and women?

Pretty much in this thread, yeah. It's been covered elsewhere on here already.

Both sides did naughty things and killed people. The Troubles in a nutshell.

We are British, not "Brits". That term is as offensive to us as "Paddies" is to you.

Fratton Fred · 21-11-2013 04:34PM

Where did they admit a shoot to kill policy?

jimgoose · 21-11-2013 04:35PM

Captain Farrell wrote: »

...That term is as offensive to us as "Paddies" is to you.

The term "Paddy" isn't offensive to me.

wazky · 21-11-2013 04:35PM

MonstaMash wrote: »

Same difference, Sássanachs are Sássanachs...but sure go on ahead & start a 100+ page debate about it Captain...

Oh wait, here comes Lord Sutch & Fratton Fred to the rescue :rolleyes:

Do they shine a light into the sky like the Batman signal to alert them to disturbances in the force Empire?

The_Gatsby · 21-11-2013 04:38PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

So, a murder is not a murder if done by the Brits?

Yeah it's still a murder. People don't realise that these things work both ways. All of the IRA members were released from prison ffs. They blew up innocent people. I don't think they should have been released and had they not then I'd be all for investigations of this "shoot to kill" policy but that's not the case.

The powers that be cannot free a load of IRA terrorists and then condemn a load of British soldiers. But people like you, making those sorts of comments, just don't understand this.

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

THAT is what you have to say about the admission that a secret, disguised, undercover Brit army group murdered innocent Irish men and women?

The IRA murdered innocent British men and women along with plenty of Irish men and women too. The British murdered innocent British and Irish men and women. So what? Both sides did bad things, what's the point in arguing about it any more?

Fratton Fred · 21-11-2013 04:38PM

wazky wrote: »

Do they shine a light into the sky like the Batman signal to alert them to disturbances in the force Empire?

Yes, unlike the shinner bots, we aren't all joined to the collective.

"you will be assimilated or.declared a west.brit"

Gatling · 21-11-2013 04:39PM

Does anybody actually care what happened when a bunch of terrorists got shot at

MonstaMash · 21-11-2013 04:40PM

Fair play to you Fred, always give me a laugh & truly a pleasure debating with you, no enmity at all

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 21-11-2013 04:42PM

Gatling wrote: »

Does anybody actually care what happened when a bunch of terrorists got shot at

Problem is a lot of their victims were, like those on Bloody Sunday, wholly innocent.

golfball37 · 21-11-2013 04:42PM

Gatling wrote: »

Does anybody actually care what happened when a bunch of terrorists got shot at

No live by the sword die by the sword is my motto. I have no problem with what happened at Loughall for example. You can't keep saying there's a war going on then complain when the other side goes out and acts like a protaganist of war should act.

When they shoot innocent children dead though you're into different terrority and they are as cold blooded murderers as any IRA man.

Fratton Fred · 21-11-2013 04:43PM

Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »

Problem is a lot of their victims were, like those on Bloody Sunday, wholly innocent.

Were they? How do you know that.from the article?

Boombastic · 21-11-2013 04:43PM

Gatling wrote: »

Does anybody actually care what happened when a bunch of terrorists got shot at

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wrcOL1g9yJA&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DwrcOL1g9yJA

The Dom · 21-11-2013 04:43PM

First aired in 1984.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pj-LeYvCeRM

Tramps Like Us · 21-11-2013 04:44PM

Captain Farrell wrote: »

Pretty much in this thread, yeah. It's been covered elsewhere on here already.

Both sides did naughty things and killed people. The Troubles in a nutshell.

We are British, not "Brits". That term is as offensive to us as "Paddies" is to you.

Don't lie, it's not. Its regularly used by all sorts including the media

WilyCoyote · 21-11-2013 04:45PM

The_Gatsby wrote: »

Yeah it's still a murder. People don't realise that these things work both ways. All of the IRA members were released from prison ffs. They blew up innocent people. I don't think they should have been released and had they not then I'd be all for investigations of this "shoot to kill" policy but that's not the case.

The powers that be cannot free a load of IRA terrorists and then condemn a load of British soldiers. But people like you, making those sorts of comments, just don't understand this.

The IRA murdered innocent British men and women along with plenty of Irish men and women too. The British murdered innocent Irish men and women. So what? Both sides did bad things, what's the point in arguing about it any more?

Wasn't aware that they jailed any of these murderous thugs-in-uniform? So how could they free them?

The_Gatsby · 21-11-2013 04:46PM

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

Don't lie, it's not. Its regularly used by all sorts including the media

All depends on the context though doesn't it?

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 21-11-2013 04:46PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Were they? How do you know that.from the article?

No, not from the article, from the testimony of some of the families and from previous disclosures.
Effectively these guys just shot anyone the thought might be republican.

The_Gatsby · 21-11-2013 04:47PM

WilyCoyote wrote: »

Wasn't aware that they jailed any of these murderous thugs-in-uniform? So how could they free them?

I didn't say they'd jailed them. I said they can't condemn them after freeing IRA members. Read my post man...

[-0-] · 21-11-2013 04:49PM

Not this crap again. After Hours has consistently shown that people are unable to have an educated debate regarding the north.

None of this is a surprise. It has been well documented in many books, and is something Irish nationalists/Catholics have been claiming for many decades.

Read this: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00GB1GO8Y

I'm bowing out of this thread and refuse to get involved in further discourse on this topic.

Captain Farrell · 21-11-2013 04:50PM

Tramps Like Us wrote: »

Don't lie, it's not. Its regularly used by all sorts including the media

When used by the Irish it's a derogatory term. Hence terms such as "west brit".

It's similar to how youhave "Paddy Wagon" tour company, but if I referred to you as Paddies it would be insulting.

MonstaMash · 21-11-2013 04:51PM

Captain Farrell wrote: »

When used by the Irish it's a derogatory term.

Only us Irish Captain?

British soldiers admit shoot-to-kill policy. BBC Panorama tonight

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