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The Self pitying garda...

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  • #92
    wicklowstevo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 919 ✭✭✭wicklowstevo


    they are apparently going to recruit in December. the starting wage will be in line with what the nurses were offered, Remember the protests and media storm ?


  • #93
    Hello_MrFox
    Closed Accounts Posts: 201 ✭✭Hello_MrFox


    mattjack wrote: »
    At this stage of the thread anywhere from 50 euros to 300k with allowances varying from "your own donut factory to a posting in Disneyland"


    Lol.

    I don't know how much they earn, but i do think articles like this are probably just made up but the media. I mean, hundreds of thousands of people are on the dole and they can afford to feed themselves and get by, but someone on a wage every week cannot? lol. Like everyone in every job ever, they just want more money.


  • #94
    Xeyn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭Xeyn


    Hello_MrFox wrote: »
    Lol.

    I don't know how much they earn, but i do think articles like this are probably just made up but the media. I mean, hundreds of thousands of people are on the dole and they can afford to feed themselves and get by, but someone on a wage every week cannot? lol. Like everyone in every job ever, they just want more money.

    I think it's pretty fair for someone who actually works for a living to expect a higher level of living than someone who doesn't. Not sure what point you were trying to make.
    There's a difference between wanting to get paid what you think is fair or you're worth and just being paid more.
    You will get people in all sectors who fall into the latter category.


  • #95
    wicklowstevo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 919 ✭✭✭wicklowstevo


    Hello_MrFox wrote: »
    Lol.

    I don't know how much they earn, but i do think articles like this are probably just made up but the media. I mean, hundreds of thousands of people are on the dole and they can afford to feed themselves and get by, but someone on a wage every week cannot? lol. Like everyone in every job ever, they just want more money.


    isn't there allowances for those on the dole ? free housing medical cards transport allowances etc etc etc . sort of cuts down on costs. plus they have plenty of free time to do the odd nixer and top off the dole? or bugger off to some other country.


  • #96
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    wicklowstevo wrote: »
    isn't there allowances for those on the dole ? free housing NO, medical cards, transport allowances NO etc etc etc .

    Any other myths you would like me to debunk?


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  • #97
    wicklowstevo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 919 ✭✭✭wicklowstevo


    Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »

    Any other myths you would like me to debunk?


    there is on free housing in Ireland ???? ooo wait are you counting the 20 euro token payment as a huge burden ?

    no free travel ? whats a travel pass ?


  • #98
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    wicklowstevo wrote: »
    there is on free housing in Ireland ???? ooo wait are you counting the 20 euro token payment as a huge burden ?

    no free travel ? whats a travel pass ?

    You do not qualify for a travel pass if you are on the dole, major fail there Steve.
    As for housing do you need a dictionary definition of Free?
    In any event anyone with even the most basic knowledge of the SW system would know that Rent Supplement is increasing hard to qualify for, and anyone with any interest in social housing would know that rent is calculated as a % of household income.
    Come back to me when you do the basic research to get the facts.


  • #99
    Frosty McSnowballs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,396 ✭✭✭Frosty McSnowballs


    Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »
    Come back to me when you do the basic research to get the facts.

    Tbh, it would be nice if most people on both sides of the fence here did that.

    I'm convinced Daily Mail "journos" are posters here.


  • #100
    Twothirdsoff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 ✭Twothirdsoff


    wicklowstevo wrote: »
    they are apparently going to recruit in December. the starting wage will be in line with what the nurses were offered, Remember the protests and media storm ?

    They might take it a step even further and recruit "jobsbridge gardai".

    -Sergeant Jimmy Kelly (Jobsbridge Intern)


  • #101
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    wicklowstevo wrote: »
    they are apparently going to recruit in December. the starting wage will be in line with what the nurses were offered, Remember the protests and media storm ?

    No, very limited vocal protests by trades unions, and disgruntled graduates whose fees had been paid by the state, there was no media "storm".
    Actually I cannot see why Garda recruits should not also receive the same opportunity that the Nurses had, and indeed most entry grade professionals now face.


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  • #102
    must_slow_down
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3 ✭must_slow_down


    here is what the average AGS member was earning in 2008 as provided by the CSO

    http://www.cso.ie/quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=PSA01.asp&TableName=Public+Sector+Average+Weekly+Earnings&StatisticalProduct=DB_PS


  • #103
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    wicklowstevo wrote: »
    isn't there allowances for those on the dole ? free housing medical cards transport allowances etc etc etc . sort of cuts down on costs. plus they have plenty of free time to do the odd nixer and top off the dole? or bugger off to some other country.

    You keep referring to that, why couldn't a gard 'bugger' off to some other country? :confused:

    aside from mortgage commitments etc. but that's the same as for everybody else?


  • #104
    Local-womanizer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,798 ✭✭✭Local-womanizer


    wexie wrote: »
    You keep referring to that, why couldn't a gard 'bugger' off to some other country? :confused:

    aside from mortgage commitments etc. but that's the same as for everybody else?

    Because they are contractually tied to their job and going AWOL can result in a prison sentence. Of course if you go AWOL your chances of gaining entry into any country is of course severely limited.

    It's the same with a soldier, if one fails to turn up for work they are AWOL and can be arrested.


  • #105
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    Local-womanizer wrote: »
    Because they are contractually tied to their job and going AWOL can result in a prison sentence. Of course if you go AWOL your chances of gaining entry into any country is of course severely limited.

    It's the same with a soldier, if one fails to turn up for work they are AWOL and can be arrested.

    So a gard can't quit their job? Of course they can't just walk away from being a gard but it's not a lifelong commitment is it?


  • #106
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    Local-womanizer wrote: »
    Because they are contractually tied to their job and going AWOL can result in a prison sentence. Of course if you go AWOL your chances of gaining entry into any country is of course severely limited.

    It's the same with a soldier, if one fails to turn up for work they are AWOL and can be arrested.
    It is not a criminal offence for a Guard to resign.


  • #107
    Rothmans
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,806 ✭✭✭Rothmans


    Daidy2011 wrote: »
    Wickowstevo - my apologies if you thought I was being argumentative that was not my intention.

    My interpretation of your post was that in a 10 day cycle, 6 on/4 off, the average garda works 60 hours. A 10 day cycle equates to 2 x 5 day weeks, I divided 60/2 and got 30/week - hence the question.

    You're conveniently forgetting to add rest days into your calculations, which every employee is legally entitled to, even Gardai :eek: (shock horror!)


  • #108
    Soft Falling Rain
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭Soft Falling Rain


    just_be_nice wrote: »
    In terms of their job roles, they are. :confused:

    Do you think a gard or a nurse should get societal perks just because of the job they do, that's what I mean.

    I respect both professions but at the same time, people who enter such professions should know what they're getting into. I've worked in the social care sector myself and it can be unforgiving with crap pay and mad hours, but I got on with it. Why? Because I knew what I was getting into, and I was actually committed to the job.


  • #109
    Khannie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    Candie wrote: »
    You wouldn't be able to pay me enough to be a Garda. I wouldnt' be able to cope with being confronted with the worst of humanity and human nature on a daily basis. I'm sure most of them have things that can never been unseen that have stayed with them.

    I'd hate to be stuck on duty on a Saturday night, dealing with the knives, the fights, the drunken aggro and the general crap they have to deal with. And that's before you get to the real gems of sex assaults, stabbings, shootings, murders, child abuses, and the rest of the things the rest of us don't have to deal with.

    And of course there's the ill-informed contempt of people on the internet to contend with.

    Whatever they're paid, it probably isn't enough as far as I'm concerned, and I'm grateful they go out and do the job they do every day.

    This about sums it up for me. Thanks Gardaí.


  • #110
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,072 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Khannie wrote: »
    This about sums it up for me. Thanks Gardaí.

    Ah now, if this was the case, the list of people applying to be a gard (or nurse for that matter) would not be much much greater than the available positions.

    Lots of people want to be a gard, we can reduce the pay and still fill the positions twice over.


  • #111
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    astrofool wrote: »
    Ah now, if this was the case, the list of people applying to be a gard (or nurse for that matter) would not be much much greater than the available positions.

    Lots of people want to be a gard, we can reduce the pay and still fill the positions twice over.

    While I wouldn't really want to get into a pissing contest over what the gardai get paid, I don't think getting those willing to do it for least to do it would be the way forward.


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  • #112
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    astrofool wrote: »
    Ah now, if this was the case, the list of people applying to be a gard (or nurse for that matter) would not be much much greater than the available positions.

    Lots of people want to be a gard, we can reduce the pay and still fill the positions twice over.

    So as long as only 300 people apply for 300 positions then that's ok? So if 600 applied then by your logic the wages are too high ! You really don't know how recruitment in the workplace works do you ?

    What's your own profession BTW ?


  • #113
    Local-womanizer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,798 ✭✭✭Local-womanizer


    wexie wrote: »
    So a gard can't quit their job? Of course they can't just walk away from being a gard but it's not a lifelong commitment is it?
    It isn't lifelong but I'm sure they are tied to their contract for a minimum period, not sure the term.
    Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »
    It is not a criminal offence for a Guard to resign.

    I never said it was. If it's the same situation as a soldier, you can't just resign, you can terminate your contract but to do so you need to pay the government a certain sum, as they have put money into you during your time served through initial training, courses completed etc. the more years served the more expensive this fee is.

    I hate the fact people think just because you work in the PS your loaded. While the pay is average enough in certain sectors,that is if you are young and single with no family to support it's enough to get by. I wouldn't dream of starting a family on my salary alone, it just wouldn't stretch.


  • #114
    goose2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    Cd_doe wrote: »
    Don't think you can compare the work of a nurse to the work of a cleaner...
    That's just stooopid

    Or compare a garda to a truck driver...

    Yeah, they're just dirty working-class people. Their families probably don't even have land!


  • #115
    Sir Humphrey Appleby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭Sir Humphrey Appleby


    Local-womanizer wrote: »
    It isn't lifelong but I'm sure they are tied to their contract for a minimum period, not sure the term. Nope, they can quit anytime they like.


    I never said it was. If it's the same situation as a soldier (its not), you can't just resign, you can terminate your contract but to do so you need to pay the government a certain sum, as they have put money into you during your time served through initial training, courses completed etc. the more years served the more expensive this fee is.

    I hate the fact people think just because you work in the PS your loaded. While the pay is average enough in certain sectors,that is if you are young and single with no family to support it's enough to get by. I wouldn't dream of starting a family on my salary alone, it just wouldn't stretch.

    members of An Garda Siochana can quit by giving in their notice, they are not the same as members of the PDF.


  • #116
    wexie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,478 ✭✭✭wexie


    Bah Feckin Humbug! wrote: »
    members of An Garda Siochana can quit by giving in their notice, they are not the same as members of the PDF.

    So presumably they would be as free to leave the country as anybody else then?

    (not that's what I'm advocating, it's a sad state of affairs it's become quite such a common move these days (can't say I haven't and sometimes still consider it myself though))


  • #117
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    dey're brutal with business transactions is why they're all broke

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOHkdUMjySg


  • #118
    dirtyden
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭dirtyden


    must_slow_down wrote: »
    here is what the average AGS member was earning in 2008 as provided by the CSO

    http://www.cso.ie/quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=PSA01.asp&TableName=Public+Sector+Average+Weekly+Earnings&StatisticalProduct=DB_PS

    You are misinterpreting the information in that table. The figure is not the earnings of an average member. It is an overall average. There is a substantial difference. It is the average earnings of all Gardaí.

    You would have define what an average Garda is (ie rank and file member of 10 years service) get an average of their pay. I am sure it would be lower than the average quoted in that table. The table is also form 2008 so it is not really that relevant to 2013.

    There is a danger with people accessing statistics but not really knowing what they mean. They jump to all kinds of conclusions.


  • #119
    just_be_nice
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58 ✭✭just_be_nice


    Soft Falling Rain wrote: »
    Do you think a gard or a nurse should get societal perks just because of the job they do, that's what I mean.

    I respect both professions but at the same time, people who enter such professions should know what they're getting into. I've worked in the social care sector myself and it can be unforgiving with crap pay and mad hours, but I got on with it. Why? Because I knew what I was getting into, and I was actually committed to the job.

    I think they should be better remunerated for their work. I don't think that they should be given any societal perks per se.


  • #120
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,476 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    must_slow_down wrote: »
    here is what the average AGS member was earning in 2008 as provided by the CSO

    http://www.cso.ie/quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=PSA01.asp&TableName=Public+Sector+Average+Weekly+Earnings&StatisticalProduct=DB_PS
    That works out at an average income per officer of around €63,000. It would be interesting to see the breakdown by rank, how much of that is taken in overtime, allowances and so on.

    The following page shows the basic salaries, plus all the allowances for the responsibilities that individual gardai might take on:

    http://www.nospinireland.com/Gardai.html

    The figures there and from the CSO suggest that "basic pay" makes up perhaps 50-60% of a garda's pay, with the remainder being made up from allowances of one kind or another. The GRA table above is misleading as it doesn't include any of the allowances that make up a substantial part of a garda's takehome. Nor do either of the tables include pension provisions.


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  • #121
    Riskymove
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,903 ✭✭✭✭Riskymove


    robindch wrote: »
    The figures there and from the CSO suggest that "basic pay" makes up perhaps 50-60% of a garda's pay, with the remainder being made up from allowances of one kind or another. The GRA table above is misleading as it doesn't include any of the allowances that make up a substantial part of a garda's takehome. Nor do either of the tables include pension provisions.

    a bit misleading....many of the allowances are specific to a particular role...one cannot be a Welfare Officer and in the water unit and in the air unit at the same time etc.. the purpose of many of the role allowances is to make up for the fact that these jobs would have limited or no overtime compared to a regular Garda role


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