The Self pitying garda...

Boombastic · 20-11-2013 03:52PM

Candie wrote: »

You wouldn't be able to pay me enough to be a Garda. I wouldnt' be able to cope with being confronted with the worst of humanity and human nature on a daily basis. I'm sure most of them have things that can never been unseen that have stayed with them.

I'd hate to be stuck on duty on a Saturday night, dealing with the knives, the fights, the drunken aggro and the general crap they have to deal with. And that's before you get to the real gems of sex assaults, stabbings, shootings, murders, child abuses, and the rest of the things the rest of us don't have to deal with.

And of course there's the ill-informed contempt of people on the internet to contend with.

Whatever they're paid, it probably isn't enough as far as I'm concerned, and I'm grateful they go out and do the job they do every day.

The difference between you and the Garda in the article is that you considered what the job entailed and decided it wasn't for you. He jointed and then seems suprised it isn't all stamping passport forms and traffic management

Plazaman · 20-11-2013 03:53PM

Eight Ball wrote: »

Must be hard being on 65k a year after 10yrs service with a gold plated pension at the end of it. I know people who would give their left bollox for a package like that.

Per GRA, tis only €44,744 after 10 years

58% of people when writing on forums make up figures instead of researching the correct ones *

* I made that up but you see how it goes

hansfrei · 20-11-2013 03:54PM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I used to semi date a guard, and tbh, he didn't seem to be in need of any financial assistance from charities, there also seemed to be a good bit of overtime too.

You got a date when he got a semi?

DEFTLEFTHAND · 20-11-2013 03:54PM

The haven't recruited since the moratorium was put into place in 09.
I know the last batch who came out of the college were subject to a different payscale. 396 net pay a week according to the GRA website for a junior guard (less than one year)

That's not great considering it's demanding shift work with restrictions on overtime.

Xeyn · 20-11-2013 03:56PM

Boombastic wrote: »

The difference between you and the Garda in the article is that you considered what the job entailed and decided it wasn't for you. He jointed and then seems suprised it isn't all stamping passport forms and traffic management

I dont understand this. He should accept abuse then because he wanted to be a garda? (because we all know thats the primary consideration when wanting to become one)
Thats like anyone who works in a transient industry shouldnt be upset when/if they get layed off.

Bog Standard User · 20-11-2013 03:57PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

they do, as well as the allowances and a lotto win pension at the end of it

they also get to retired at 57 with full pension... still young enough to get a job at a security firm and still have their pension

tigger123 · 20-11-2013 03:58PM

Eight Ball wrote: »

I didn't see it anywhere I have a family friend who is a Garda 12 years now and even after cuts he is on that kind of money. The fecker moans every time I see him about how he's finding it hard to pay off his 2200 a month mortgage. The sense of entitlement from some sectors of our society is breath taking.

65k? What rank is he?

Boombastic · 20-11-2013 03:58PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The haven't recruited since the moratorium was put into place in 09.
I know the last batch who came out of the college were subject to a different payscale. 396 net pay a week according to the GRA website for a junior guard (less than one year)

That's not great considering it's demanding shift work with restrictions on overtime.

this guy says gardai got greedy during the boom, therfore we can assume he's pre 09, what's their net pay?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 20-11-2013 03:58PM

hansfrei wrote: »

You got a date when he got a semi?

Naw, I dated him but kept my options open :cool:

joe40 · 20-11-2013 03:58PM

There would still seem to be plenty of people looking to join.

http://www.thejournal.ie/garda-recruitment-3-1062349-Sep2013/

I don't want to be anti gardai and I fully accept that the job is very demanding and difficult, but to talk about guards on the poverty line and in need of St.Vincent de Paul assistance is just silly.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 20-11-2013 04:00PM

Eight Ball wrote: »

Must be hard being on 65k a year after 10yrs service with a gold plated pension at the end of it. I know people who would give their left bollox for a package like that.

Guards pay isn't that high, that's inspector rank pay level. An ordinary Garda max pay is €45k after 17 years service.

Orlaw3136 · 20-11-2013 04:01PM

I think there is a disconnect here.

Point A - being a garda is frequently a tough and onerous job, during the course of which there is a strong likelihood of people wishing you and doing you harm and ill. Those who do it and do it well deserve our thanks and admiration.

A valid point.

Point B - Gardai are not paid as much as they used to.

A valid point.

However, the same can be said of every other public sector job. When the boss is bust the wages go down.

Point C - Gardai who over-extended themselves financially are under severe pressure because they can't afford to pay back their debts.

This is factually correct.

It is not however a reason to increase Garda salaries.

And that's the disconnect. Point A being true does not lead to the conclusion that we must accordingly increase garda salaries, and point C is not a reason to do so either.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 20-11-2013 04:02PM

flutered wrote: »

he is welcome to live on my inviladity pension,€193 with falling perks ie add ons, people verbally abuse me telling me how i am a drain in the countrys finances, i was spat on punched etc while working as a store dective, much harder than a gardas wwork, it paid schit money as well, what does he want, pity, everything thats going this goverment took in their austerity budgets, bar theit own wages and perks, look at pics of the cabenit when it was formed, look at a pic of them now, they have in farming parlance throve well, no ivomic was used on them. each one has had their pants and neck size increaced to xxxx. while they preach how well things are.

I'm sorry but I strongly disagree with almost everything you have posted.

You say he is welcome to live on your invalidity pension but the difference is that he is working in paid employment. Being fair, you cannot compare a working wage and someone on benefits.

Invalidity pension is not a bad deal. If it is only 193 euro cash per week (I thought it was more), you obviously get other goodies as well, such as medical card, heating allowance (quite generous), unlimited free travel and I'm sure they aren't the only extra benefits. You also presumably live rent free, or at least contribute a minimum amount of the money you receive towards it.

I know for a fact a 'store detective' isn't as hard a job as that of a Garda. It's an outrageous claim to make.
The responsibility and training alone justifies why they are paid more than 'store detectives'.
You say 'what does he want, pity', yet your post reeks of 'poor me' even more so then the person you're talking about.

You then go on, I think, to imply that because many of the cabinet are fat (they are) that they must be wealthy when in fact it is poorer people statistically who are usually more obese.

Your post annoyed me! :mad:

Xeyn · 20-11-2013 04:02PM

To be fair I dont think anyone is saying Gardas salary should be increased to cover for those who overextended themselves.

diomed · 20-11-2013 04:03PM

The allowances is where its at. The salary is just something to trot out when discussing how tough they have it.

AGC · 20-11-2013 04:04PM

The figures being thrown around are comical!!

No run of the mill Garda is on 65k. Even after overtime which is fairly minimal these days due to new shift arrangements.

People have a serious gripe. The conditions they work in are brutal with little to no support from their Minister or Commissioner.

Wait till you see the people that go for the recruitment when it opens, people who would never have even considered it a few years ago. It will lead to a much bigger turnover and damage the force IMO.

Like firemen, doctors and front line emergency staff they are treated like crap.

Also for people going on about allowances....Just look how much they are!! less than €3 a week in some cases

Cd_doe · 20-11-2013 04:04PM

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I'm sorry but I strongly disagree with almost everything you have posted.

You say he is welcome to live on your invalidity pension but the difference is that he is working in paid employment. Being fair, you cannot compare a working wage and someone on benefits.

Invalidity pension is not a bad deal. If it is only 193 euro cash per week (I thought it was more), you obviously get other goodies as well, such as medical card, heating allowance (quite generous), unlimited free travel and I'm sure they aren't the only extra benefits. You also presumably live rent free, or at least contribute a minimum amount of the money you receive towards it.

I know for a fact a 'store detective' isn't as hard a job as that of a Garda. It's an outrageous claim to make.
The responsibility and training alone justifies why they are paid more than 'store detectives'.
You say 'what does he want, pity', yet your post reeks of 'poor me' even more so then the person you're talking about.

You then go on, I think, to imply that because many of the cabinet are fat (they are) that they must be wealthy when in fact it is poorer people statistically who are usually more obese.

Your post annoyed me! :mad:

+1

Knob Longman · 20-11-2013 04:11PM

jamesbondings wrote: »

Arm them. They won't face these difficulties for long.......

I wouldn't trust half of them with guns not to kill or injure innocent people, and it's us the taxpayers that would have to pay the inevitable legal bills that would arise.

BraziliaNZ · 20-11-2013 04:16PM

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wicklowstevo · 20-11-2013 04:30PM

"I didn't see it anywhere I have a family friend who is a Garda 12 years now and even after cuts he is on that kind of money." eight ball that's just not true , not even close mate .

tv king . prior to the start of PS cuts in 2008 , the average guard was on nearly 1100 per week excluding overtime , work out the level of pay cuts since + pension levy and that's your answer.
that's crazy, prove that comment if you can, it would be less than half that for a lad at the top of the pay scale in reality maybe crazy ideas like that is why there's so much hostility towards public servants .

the reality is that the average garda has less than ten years service and is working 60 hours a week on a frozen pay scale, ( 6 ten hour days and then four days off) for ballpark 400 euro a week. there is NO OVERTIME because every thing is done on the 30 free haddington road hours.

also for your info , the average garda dies within ten years of retirement so don't you worry about the pension.

yes many gardai got them selfs stuck in stupid mortgages just like every one else, unfortunately gardai cant piss off to Canada or aus and pay from there ,and cant get part time jobs either to take up the slack of the 30 odd percent of their pay that has vanished in the last three years. .

the truth is most gardai would be happy enough as long as there wasn't any more pay cuts as long as there was some investment in resources and a change on minister, Management has repeatedly thrown away vital money on the most stupid of things (mobile garda station, the reserves outdated equipment) A proper management structure would do wonders for both moral and the public perception

kupus · 20-11-2013 04:35PM

Just be thankful cops are not like these scum....

Daidy2011 · 20-11-2013 04:54PM

wicklowstevo wrote: »

"I didn't see it anywhere I have a family friend who is a Garda 12 years now and even after cuts he is on that kind of money." eight ball that's just not true , not even close mate .

tv king . prior to the start of PS cuts in 2008 , the average guard was on nearly 1100 per week excluding overtime , work out the level of pay cuts since + pension levy and that's your answer.
that's crazy, prove that comment if you can, it would be less than half that for a lad at the top of the pay scale in reality maybe crazy ideas like that is why there's so much hostility towards public servants .

the reality is that the average garda has less than ten years service and is working 60 hours a week on a frozen pay scale, ( 6 ten hour days and then four days off) for ballpark 400 euro a week. there is NO OVERTIME because every thing is done on the 30 free haddington road hours.

also for your info , the average garda dies within ten years of retirement so don't you worry about the pension.

yes many gardai got them selfs stuck in stupid mortgages just like every one else, unfortunately gardai cant piss off to Canada or aus and pay from there ,and cant get part time jobs either to take up the slack of the 30 odd percent of their pay that has vanished in the last three years. .

the truth is most gardai would be happy enough as long as there wasn't any more pay cuts as long as there was some investment in resources and a change on minister, Management has repeatedly thrown away vital money on the most stupid of things (mobile garda station, the reserves outdated equipment) A proper management structure would do wonders for both moral and the public perception

Just for clarity - does that mean that the average guard works a 30 hour week?

Cd_doe · 20-11-2013 05:10PM

Daidy2011 wrote: »

Just for clarity - does that mean that the average guard works a 30 hour week?

Are you serious?

mattjack · 20-11-2013 05:14PM

diomed wrote: »

The allowances is where its at. The salary is just something to trot out when discussing how tough they have it.

boot and uniform allowance , around eight euros a week.

sorry poor post , i read it wring

cursai · 20-11-2013 05:22PM

Groan.....

SimonQuinlank · 20-11-2013 05:30PM

Sitting around watching TV for good portions of a shift,snooping on neigbours on PULSE,taxi-ing superiors to pubs and family members home from nights out when supposedly on patrol,not arsed walking the beat because its cold,free or heavily discounted meals on duty,free use of public transport off duty,€57k PA basic,massive pension,virtually unsackable.

Heartbreaking stuff alright.

wicklowstevo · 20-11-2013 05:32PM

Daidy2011 wrote: »

Just for clarity - does that mean that the average guard works a 30 hour week?

how do you get that from what I wrote ? out of every ten days the roster demands that you work 6 ten hour shifts usually including some 9pm to 7am shifts at the end of the ten day cycle.

I though that was fairly clear ? am I missing something ?

and yes there is a allowance of something like 12 euro for working nights Monday to sat, but any ones who's worked nights can tell you what that does to your body in the long run

wicklowstevo · 20-11-2013 05:34PM

SimonQuinlank wrote: »

Sitting around watching TV for good portions of a shift,snooping on neigbours on PULSE,taxi-ing superiors to pubs and family members home from nights out when supposedly on patrol,not arsed walking the beat because its cold,free or heavily discounted meals on duty,free use of public transport off duty,€57k PA basic,massive pension,virtually unsackable.

Heartbreaking stuff alright.

sure what ever you think your self lad , don't pay any attention to the fact just rant away

wendell borton · 20-11-2013 05:36PM

Boombastic wrote: »

what brand cornflakes doess he/she eat?

can they not just up their take from the evidence locker?

Coke rather than cornflakes for breakfast so.

Hootanany · 20-11-2013 05:49PM

Shoe shining allowance €1.98 per week per Guard how much is a can of shoe polish and how many shines would you get out of it?

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