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  • #572
    Todd Toddington III
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭Todd Toddington III


    (Wouldn't that also have seen the flood coming?)
    J C wrote: »
    groupthink is groupthink ... irrespective of how intelligent the groupthinkers think they are.

    ... and the Word of God is ... ehem ... the Word of God.:)

    Ah yes, the old get out of jail card, "cause god said so". Thats a handy answer to avoid logic there Patches. Dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge the question and if all else fails, well its the word of god, init?


  • #573
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    JC. This "God" of yours, is he the true one and only god? What about the hundreds (thousands?) of other gods out there that millions of people believe in?


  • #574
    gaynorvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭gaynorvader


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    no one has actually answered my original question.

    How did the information get into the original strands of DNA.


    Also "Genetic algorithms" as you call them do not create their own software to run on.

    The simple fact is no one knows for sure (as far as I know), there are several theories on it, but I doubt you're interested in any other theories outside of your own.


  • #575
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    gaynorvader wrote: »
    The simple fact is no one knows for sure (as far as I know), there are several theories on it, but I doubt you're interested in any other theories outside of your own.

    Well, it's looking very likely now that before DNA based life, we had RNA based life: http://phys.org/news/2013-11-rna-splicing-gene-evidence-world.html

    This is the molecular biology equivalent of finding a transitional fossil, only we can see it at work here and now. Of course, mention transitional fossils around a creationist and you're in for an entertaining display of their ignorance on a whole other subject.


  • #576
    An Riabhach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,714 ✭✭✭An Riabhach


    Seasan wrote: »
    Do you still believe that god created AIDS?

    Just to clarify my own question...

    As we all know,it was widely believed by theists that AIDS was the ultimate punishment from god on homosexuals-most religious leaders were even rejoicing because of this.

    Now that we all know that this disease can kill ANYBODY-and still does,do religious believers still believe that this is a plague sent by their god as some sort of curse or punishment??

    Siúl leat, siúl leat, le dóchas i do chroí, is ní shiúlfaidh tú i d'aonar go deo.



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  • #577
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    robindch wrote: »
    Stop thinking in terms of creationist rubbish like "information". Evolution creates organisms that are better and better adapted to surviving to recreate.What on earth are you talking about? What "uniformity"?

    From your repetition of useless and stupid creationist talking-points, you sound like you've spent (read "wasted") time and money on creationist literature and propaganda on biology, and haven't bothered studying actual biologists on actual biology. Can you confirm?
    Sarky wrote: »
    This thread: The Origin of specious Nonsense. In it J C goes on and on and on, and posters like myself, oldrnwisr, sponsoredwalk, robindch and many more show him why he's utterly and hopelessly wrong. You should read it some time, there's a huge wealth of information in there. None of it, predictably, comes from J C.

    And more specifically, posts like this one,, where someone like oldrnwisr shows J C up to be clueless, or deliberately avoiding the truth, or worse. There are many posts like that in the thread. Each one causes J C to shut up for a little while, go into hiding, and then come back with the same old bullsh*t we'd torn apart weeks or months ago like if he just keeps posting it, it might end up becoming true.

    Other interesting things from that thread:

    - dead one, the Muslim creationist. That boy was insane.
    - An amusing set of J C memes, including captions such as "Ignore evidence. Claim victory."
    - Letting J C spout his insane claptrap and then showing him why he's wrong is, according to J C, pretty much Nazism.


    Yes it can. It accounts for just about everything one sees in organic life, up to and including intelligence. You should read up on it, it's fascinating stuff.



    Well that'd be because nature is far from uniform. Again, you should read up on it. It really is very interesting stuff.

    Really - if nature is far from uniform then how does science work?

    Definition: The principle of the uniformity of nature is used to justify both inductive reason generally and scientific research in particular. It can be understood as simply arguing that "the future will look like the past." Thus, however nature has acted in the past is pretty much how we can expect it to act in the future.

    Science relies heavily upon this premise of uniformity because, without it, it would not be possible to infer from past events what we can expect to happen in the future. Scientific prediction and scientific theorizing would simply not be possible without uniformity.

    More generally, induction itself relies upon uniformity because that is what allows us to take particular cases and infer from them general rules and principles. However, if induction relies upon the uniformity of nature, then the uniformity of nature cannot itself rely upon inductive reasoning.


  • #578
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Seasan wrote: »
    Just to clarify my own question...

    As we all know,it was widely believed by theists that AIDS was the ultimate punishment from god on homosexuals-most religious leaders were even rejoicing because of this.

    Now that we all know that this disease can kill ANYBODY-and still does,do religious believers still believe that this is a plague sent by their god as some sort of curse or punishment??

    Having come into official adulthood at the time the 'Gay plague' was first reported upon I did used to wonder how come I was Gay yet also in the lowest risk category... :confused:


  • #579
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    gaynorvader wrote: »
    The simple fact is no one knows for sure (as far as I know), there are several theories on it, but I doubt you're interested in any other theories outside of your own.

    Actually i'd be very interested in any theory that can explain how information was first created.


  • #580
    Obliq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    Really - if nature is far from uniform then how does science work?

    Well I know sure. The same kind of question occurs to me also. Like if linen crinkles so much, how come there are irons? Mmmhmm. The big asks.


  • #581
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    Actually i'd be very interested in any theory that can explain how information was first created.



    Can you explain it? Other than god did it?

    Also are you tell us what god looks like?


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  • #582
    An Riabhach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,714 ✭✭✭An Riabhach


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Having come into official adulthood at the time the 'Gay plague' was first reported upon I did used to wonder how come I was Gay yet also in the lowest risk category... :confused:

    Just goes to show the pure ignorance and hypocrisies of all the so-called theories.

    Of course the god-squad had their own explanations and still claim that they do.

    Siúl leat, siúl leat, le dóchas i do chroí, is ní shiúlfaidh tú i d'aonar go deo.



  • #583
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Terrlock wrote: »
    Really - if nature is far from uniform then how does science work?

    Definition: The principle of the uniformity of nature is used to justify both inductive reason generally and scientific research in particular. It can be understood as simply arguing that "the future will look like the past." Thus, however nature has acted in the past is pretty much how we can expect it to act in the future.

    Science relies heavily upon this premise of uniformity because, without it, it would not be possible to infer from past events what we can expect to happen in the future. Scientific prediction and scientific theorizing would simply not be possible without uniformity.

    More generally, induction itself relies upon uniformity because that is what allows us to take particular cases and infer from them general rules and principles. However, if induction relies upon the uniformity of nature, then the uniformity of nature cannot itself rely upon inductive reasoning.

    Oh, you mean nature as in 'the entirety of reality' and not 'living things'. Yeah, reality is pretty consistent. At least, it is now that things have settled down after all that furore at the big bang event. Living things don't seem to be breaking any of the rules as we understand them*. Not entirely sure where you're going with this. Water is wet and fire is hot, in related news.



    *Now J C is probably going to blather on about thermodynamics as if he knows anything at all about even basic physics. If he does, watch carefully. You'll see him make several important mistakes and omissions that someone else will have to fill in and thus demonstrate why he's wrong. J C will likely ignore it and repeat his false claims, and as we all know making a claim that you know to be false is lying...


  • #584
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Can you explain it? Other than god did it?

    Also are you tell us what god looks like?

    God is indescribable, I encountered God when my spirit left my body for a few minutes.

    He came to me surrounded by an armada of angels. I could not look at his being as there was a thick cloud between him and I. I say thick cloud but it was not in fact a cloud it was just like a thick cloud.

    The reason for the cloud was because if I looked on God I would die instantly.

    I asked him hundreds of questions and he dismissed them all as folly. Man made nonsense that has no meaning at all. The only thing that matters in life is that I follow him through his Son Jesus and stay on the Good side of life.

    He told me not to leave my body again or I could die and he told me blessed are those who believe without seeing.

    I insisted on him answering some of my questions and his answers that he gave me can actually be found in the Book of Job in the bible.

    I had not read the book at the time on my encounter.

    In fact God answers anyone who questions his morality or his reasons for doing things through the book book of Job.


  • #585
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    God is indescribable, I encountered God when my spirit left my body for a few minutes.

    He came to me surrounded by an armada of angels. I could not look at his being as there was a thick cloud between him and I. I say thick cloud but it was not in fact a cloud it was just like a thick cloud.

    The reason for the cloud was because if I looked on God I would die instantly.

    I asked him hundreds of questions and he dismissed them all as folly. Man made nonsense that has no meaning at all. The only thing that matters in life is that I follow him through his Son Jesus and stay on the Good side of life.

    He told me not to leave my body again or I could die and he told me blessed are those who believe without seeing.

    I insisted on him answering some of my questions and his answers that he gave me can actually be found in the Book of Job in the bible.

    I had not read the book at the time on my encounter.

    In fact God answers anyone who questions his morality or his reasons for doing things through the book book of Job.

    Wow.....just........WOW!

    Why is god indescribable? Why would you die if you looked at him. I got REALLY drunk one night and had a conversation with a cat. Does this mean cat's can talk?


  • #586
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Wow.....just........WOW!

    Why is god indescribable? Why would you die if you looked at him. I got REALLY drunk one night and had a conversation with a cat. Does this mean cat's can talk?
    bumper234 wrote: »
    Why is god indescribable?
    I can describe him as absolute authority. Like a child would view his father only way more intense.
    bumper234 wrote: »
    Why would you die if you looked at him?

    Because I was not saved, and God cannot look upon someone with sin.
    bumper234 wrote: »
    I got REALLY drunk one night and had a conversation with a cat. Does this mean cat's can talk?

    I wasn't drunk and I have never taken drugs.

    However I'm sure if a cat evolves enough you might eventually be able to have that conversation again.


  • #587
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Even if God flooded the Earth? How does He destroy THUNDERBIRD 4?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    God is indescribable, I encountered God when my spirit left my body for a few minutes.

    He came to me surrounded by an armada of angels. I could not look at his being as there was a thick cloud between him and I. I say thick cloud but it was not in fact a cloud it was just like a thick cloud.

    The reason for the cloud was because if I looked on God I would die instantly.

    I asked him hundreds of questions and he dismissed them all as folly. Man made nonsense that has no meaning at all. The only thing that matters in life is that I follow him through his Son Jesus and stay on the Good side of life.

    He told me not to leave my body again or I could die and he told me blessed are those who believe without seeing.

    I insisted on him answering some of my questions and his answers that he gave me can actually be found in the Book of Job in the bible.

    I had not read the book at the time on my encounter.

    In fact God answers anyone who questions his morality or his reasons for doing things through the book book of Job.

    God sounds like quite the drama queen. Or the wizard of oz.


  • #588
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Terrlock wrote: »
    In fact God answers anyone who questions his morality or his reasons for doing things through the book book of Job.

    Ignoring the... whatever the rest of that post was... The book of Job's answer to questions on God's morality goes pretty much like so:

    STFU, I'm God and I ain't gotta explain sh*t to a worthless scumsucking worm like you. Now burn more sodding cattle in honour to me already! Don't make me come back down there...

    So, uh, not entirely sure why you think this is a good thing.


  • #589
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    lazygal wrote: »
    God sounds like quite the drama queen. Or the wizard of oz.

    I shared my testimony and I'll stand by it.

    I know there is a God, not just from this encounter but from many personal encounters with the Holy Spirit throughout my life.

    If there is no God then I would not be alive right now.


  • #590
    An Riabhach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,714 ✭✭✭An Riabhach


    Anyway,back to Noah-the poor chap's being forgotten about!!

    "The animals went in 2 by 2 hurrah,hurrah,
    The animals went in 2 by 2 hurrah,hurrah,
    The animals went in 2 by 2,
    The elephants and the kangaroos
    And they all went into the ark
    For to get outta the rain."

    :-) :-)

    Siúl leat, siúl leat, le dóchas i do chroí, is ní shiúlfaidh tú i d'aonar go deo.



  • #591
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    OMG! Spoiler!
    Oh man, I'd forgotten about this post, where J C actually blamed the Columbine massacres on "evolutionists". Read it, he actually freaking posted that.


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  • #592
    Obliq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    If there is no God then I would not be alive right now.

    This thread is pure comedy :D Loving it.

    Still though. This is a serious question Terrlock. Did your belief in God save your life? Because otherwise there could be no reason to feel that.


  • #593
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Even if God flooded the Earth? How does He destroy THUNDERBIRD 4?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    I shared my testimony and I'll stand by it.

    I know there is a God, not just from this encounter but from many personal encounters with the Holy Spirit throughout my life.

    If there is no God then I would not be alive right now.

    If there was no medical science I wouldn't be alive right now. Praise be upon modern obstetrics!!


  • #594
    Obliq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Sarky wrote: »
    Oh man, I'd forgotten about this post, where J C actually blamed the Columbine massacres on "evolutionists". Read it, he actually freaking posted that.

    Ha! What did I say? Comedy gold. Oh dear.

    Do I have a warped sense of natural selection when I dispatch the latest bunch of cockerels to the great freezer in the shed, or am I just doing the do? It's going to haunt me on my death bed, I'm sure.....


  • #595
    Days 298
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Days 298


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    However I can also point out if our solar system is billions of years old then why are there still comets flying around it?

    Im still laughing at this one.

    Can you imagine if creationism was main stream :pac:

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    Actually come to think of it that would be a scary world.


  • #596
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    Sarky wrote: »
    Ignoring the... whatever the rest of that post was... The book of Job's answer to questions on God's morality goes pretty much like so:

    STFU, I'm God and I ain't gotta explain sh*t to a worthless scumsucking worm like you. Now burn more sodding cattle in honour to me already! Don't make me come back down there...

    So, uh, not entirely sure why you think this is a good thing.

    You sound like a child who thinks they know everything and ignores the advice of a Good Parent.


  • #597
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Even if God flooded the Earth? How does He destroy THUNDERBIRD 4?
    Terrlock wrote: »
    You sound like a child who thinks they know everything and ignores the advice of a Good Parent.


    I'm a Good Parent. Don't be worrying about that auld god nonsense, its all made up.


  • #598
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    Obliq wrote: »
    This thread is pure comedy :D Loving it.

    Still though. This is a serious question Terrlock. Did your belief in God save your life? Because otherwise there could be no reason to feel that.

    Yes it did.

    But it also allowed me to save another person's life when they were trying to commit suicide.


  • #599
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,034 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    FYI: This is Option Number Twenty-Five. Isn't this being a bit, uh, mean on the hamsters?
    Sarky wrote: »
    Oh man, I'd forgotten about this post, where J C actually blamed the Columbine massacres on "evolutionists". Read it, he actually freaking posted that.

    don't forget about the global conspiracy by the science community to suppress all evidence that creationism is true.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #600
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    lazygal wrote: »
    If there was no medical science I wouldn't be alive right now. Praise be upon modern obstetrics!!

    And if there was no God there would be no medical science


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  • #601
    Terrlock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    lazygal wrote: »
    I'm a Good Parent. Don't be worrying about that auld god nonsense, its all made up.

    How do you measure "Good"


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