25% of Irish men in their 20s have slept with another man

Links234 · 16-11-2013 06:43PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

men who engage in sexual activity with other men are, by definition, not straight.

Nope, that's not it.

Lets put it in an analogy! Pretend we're talking about people who love maple syrup or have tasted maple syrup. What you're saying there could be translated to this analogy as, someone who has tasted maple syrup is by definition a maple syrup lover. But that's not true, someone could have tasted maple syrup and not really liked it or was meh about it and didn't really want maple syrup again in future.

So, just because a person has had experience with maple syrup, doesn't make them a maple syrup lover.

Galwayguy35 · 16-11-2013 06:44PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Are you one of these "gay agenda" people that think that gays are taking over the world? This poll is part of the conspiracy?

Lol

Wow that's me put in my place :rolleyes:

Your debating skills are simply astounding.

bbam · 16-11-2013 06:49PM

Its hardly rocket science or groundbreaking reporting...

I've heard it quoted that ~10% of the whole population are gay... so in their 30's most would have sorted them selves out and the 13% is close to the number...

Its probably higher in the 20's age bracket as you'll have the 10% + those that experiment a bit more than others...

Xeyn · 16-11-2013 06:49PM

Links234 wrote: »

Nope, that's not it.

Lets put it in an analogy! Pretend we're talking about people who love maple syrup or have tasted maple syrup. What you're saying there could be translated to this analogy as, someone who has tasted maple syrup is by definition a maple syrup lover. But that's not true, someone could have tasted maple syrup and not really liked it or was meh about it and didn't really want maple syrup again in future.

So, just because a person has had experience with maple syrup, doesn't make them a maple syrup lover.

To be fair he said 'men who engage' not 'men who tried it once and didnt like it.'
'Men who engage' implies a ongoing acts.

I do agree that its probable that someone could experiment and not be gay/straight/bisexual. Men or women who continue to 'experiment' probably arent straight though.
But thats what makes individuality great, im sure there are people who fall outside of that paradigm too!

Czarcasm · 16-11-2013 06:50PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Misguided? Weird description.

It's a polite way of saying your assertion is a load of horseshìte. I don't think it's weird either that you'd try and avoid answering the question, seeing as you have no evidence with which to make such spurious generalisations like this one -

hotmail.com wrote: »

A lot of drunk straight blokes will take a blow job off a man or a woman. They don't care.

I'm not jumping down your throat or anything, I'd just love to hear what evidence you have for making such a claim.

gcgirl · 16-11-2013 06:53PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

That's good for you, but how can you speak for every man? How do you know what every man has done?

And gay men turning straight people gay...Jesus.

Laughable.

Some straight men are horny beeps and will take a bj off anyone when the're drunk.

(The lady doth protests too much, comes to mind).

Exactly and as the saying goes every holes a goal

16-11-2013 06:55PM

Links234 wrote: »

Nope, that's not it.

Lets put it in an analogy! Pretend we're talking about people who love maple syrup or have tasted maple syrup. What you're saying there could be translated to this analogy as, someone who has tasted maple syrup is by definition a maple syrup lover. But that's not true, someone could have tasted maple syrup and not really liked it or was meh about it and didn't really want maple syrup again in future.

So, just because a person has had experience with maple syrup, doesn't make them a maple syrup lover.

Maple syrup is excellent on French Toast. No idea how it fits in with your analogy, but it really made me want some French toast.

hotmail.com · 16-11-2013 06:56PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

It's a polite way of saying your assertion is a load of horseshìte. I don't think it's weird either that you'd try and avoid answering the question, seeing as you have no evidence with which to make such spurious generalisations like this one -

I'm not jumping down your throat or anything, I'd just love to hear what evidence you have for making such a claim.

It seems like it bothers you? If it's not true, then why bother caring?

Don't get yourself in a knot thinking about what other men are doing. Not all men think and behave like you..everybody is different. Move on, go get laid tonight.

Links234 · 16-11-2013 06:56PM

Xeyn wrote: »

To be fair he said 'men who engage' not 'men who tried it once and didnt like it.'
'Men who engage' implies a ongoing acts.

I do agree that its probable that someone could experiment and not be gay/straight/bisexual. Men or women who continue to 'experiment' probably arent straight though.
But thats what makes individuality great, im sure there are people who fall outside of that paradigm too!

We might need to have Suicide Circus confirm what he meant, but I'm taking it in the context of the thread and the discussion that's been going on, to mean any same sex experience, because that's what the topic's about.

Czarcasm · 16-11-2013 06:57PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Maple syrup is excellent on French Toast. No idea how it fits in with your analogy, but it really made me want some French toast.

It just made me think "Links, you kinky bitch!"

hotmail.com · 16-11-2013 06:58PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Wow that's me put in my place :rolleyes:

Your debating skills are simply astounding.

Cheers man, appreciate it.

Links234 · 16-11-2013 07:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Maple syrup is excellent on French Toast. No idea how it fits in with your analogy, but it really made me want some French toast.

Nothing better than French toast with maple syrup and a side of bacon

I'm gonna cook some tomorrow or monday

16-11-2013 07:02PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

It just made me think "Links, you kinky bitch!"

Would that not just make it all really sticky?

Czarcasm · 16-11-2013 07:09PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Would that not just make it all really sticky?

Ahh maple syrup isn't quite the same thick consistency as honey, it's a bitch to wash out of the bedsheets though! But the worst is that whipped cream in a can - fcuking smell of sour cream off the bedsheets

:pac:

16-11-2013 07:13PM

Links234 wrote: »

Nothing better than French toast with maple syrup and a side of bacon I'm gonna cook some tomorrow or monday

Made some recently with some soda bread. Probably better if I used some sort of white bread next time. I also didn't leave it out for about 2 days, which a lot of recipes I read said.

Czarcasm wrote: »

Ahh maple syrup isn't quite the same thick consistency as honey, it's a bitch to wash out of the bedsheets though! But the worst is that whipped cream in a can - fcuking smell of sour cream off the bedsheets

:pac:

Love the fact you seem to be talking from experience. Now who's kinky? :pac:

Also, never thought I'd go into a thread about men having sex with men and come out of it feeling hungry.

Czarcasm · 16-11-2013 07:18PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

It seems like it bothers you? If it's not true, then why bother caring?

It DOES bother me. The reason I care is because you shouldn't be spouting ill informed nonsense off the back of your own individual experience, if even that, and not just something you came up with off the top of your head based on your fantasies.

Don't get yourself in a knot thinking about what other men are doing. Not all men think and behave like you..everybody is different. Move on, go get laid tonight.

I'm not the person getting myself in a knot at all about what other men are doing. You're the person who seems more concerned about what other men are doing since you're the person who claimed that a lot of drunk straight men will accept oral sex with a man or a woman and they don't care?

I'm only too well aware that not all men think the way I do, and I'm only too well aware that everyone is different, so that's why I don't make up bullshìt spurious claims based on my own individual experience.

I guess the fact that you're telling me to move on means you have no evidence for your claims. Not to worry, that's as much as I expected tbh.

hotmail.com · 16-11-2013 07:30PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

It DOES bother me. The reason I care is because you shouldn't be spouting ill informed nonsense off the back of your own individual experience, if even that, and not just something you came up with off the top of your head based on your fantasies.

I'm not the person getting myself in a knot at all about what other men are doing. You're the person who seems more concerned about what other men are doing since you're the person who claimed that a lot of drunk straight men will accept oral sex with a man or a woman and they don't care?

I'm only too well aware that not all men think the way I do, and I'm only too well aware that everyone is different, so that's why I don't make up bullshìt spurious claims based on my own individual experience.

I guess the fact that you're telling me to move on means you have no evidence for your claims. Not to worry, that's as much as I expected tbh.

You definitely seem bothered!!!! Really bothered.

Do all statements that are not backed up with evidence bother you this much or is it just gay related ones?

Links234 · 16-11-2013 07:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Made some recently with some soda bread. Probably better if I used some sort of white bread next time. I also didn't leave it out for about 2 days, which a lot of recipes I read said.

Because I'm cooking for herself who's celiac, I use gluten free bread, and I'd either recommend the Aldi white gluten free loaf, or Kelkin sourdough bread, the latter is very expensive though, so I find the Aldi one the best for it.

Deleted User wrote: »

Love the fact you seem to be talking from experience. Now who's kinky? :pac:

Also, never thought I'd go into a thread about men having sex with men and come out of it feeling hungry.

Maple syrup bukakke?!

Czarcasm · 16-11-2013 07:52PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

You definitely seem bothered!!!! Really bothered.

Do all statements that are not backed up with evidence bother you this much or is it just gay related ones?

Yes, all ridiculous generalisations bother me, something that was picked up on yesterday when I posted this in another thread -

Czarcasm wrote: »

You base a statement like that on your own very limited experience? I hope you don't mind me saying then that you're talking utter horseshìte.

Daveysil15 wrote: »

You've said those words so many times now they've lost all meaning.

Czarcasm wrote: »

Dave if a person makes a ridiculous sweeping generalisation, and then tries to suggest their individual experience as a reason for an issue that affects a whole population, what would you call it?

They're talking horseshìte based on their own limited experience!

So the answer to your question is no, my objection had nothing to do with the fact that this is a discussion about a "gay related" issue, my objection was because you're talking utter nonsense based on your own individual experience and trying to extrapolate that out to an entire population or gender.

hotmail.com · 16-11-2013 08:01PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

Yes, all ridiculous generalisations bother me, something that was picked up on yesterday when I posted this in another thread -

So the answer to your question is no, my objection had nothing to do with the fact that this is a discussion about a "gay related" issue, my objection was because you're talking utter nonsense based on your own individual experience and trying to extrapolate that out to an entire population or gender.

It's not a ridiculous suggestion...the poll backs up my suggestion.

smurgen · 16-11-2013 08:13PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Not necessarily. Men who are sexually attracted to other men are, by definition, not straight.

But to engage in sexuality I'm guessing an erection would be needed?I've had a erection for someone I'm not attracted to,be they male or female so.

Czarcasm · 16-11-2013 08:14PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

It's not a ridiculous suggestion...the poll backs up my suggestion.

You didn't make a suggestion, you made a statement purporting it to be factual -

hotmail.com wrote: »

A lot of drunk straight blokes will take a blow job off a man or a woman. They don't care.

Then you backtracked when you were challenged, before coming out with another equally ludicrous assertion as if it were factual -

hotmail.com wrote: »

Some, not all men. I'm not referring to every man. Just ask a gay man have they given a bj to a straight man. Most of them will say yes.

Nowhere in the survey is it ever even hinted at nor suggested, that "a lot of drunk straight blokes will take a blow job off a man or a woman", nor is it ever even hinted at nor suggested, that "they don't care".

hotmail.com · 16-11-2013 08:15PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

You didn't make a suggestion, you made a statement purporting it to be factual -

Then you backtracked when you were challenged, before coming out with another equally ludicrous assertion as if it were factual -

Nowhere in the survey is it ever even hinted at nor suggested, that "a lot of drunk straight blokes will take a blow job off a man or a woman", nor is it ever even hinted at nor suggested, that "they don't care".

A sexual encounter with another man was probably when they were drunk.

Get over it.

I'm outa here.

RDM_83 again · 16-11-2013 08:22PM

Could people stop forgetting that the actual figure for gay sex according to this survey is 13-15% not 25%

smurgen wrote: »

I said gay men thinking they can turn straight men gay not actually doing it. Also I'm very very comfortable with my sexuality and have.worked with plenty of gay fellas and I've learned a lot from them. However I do think "some" gay men lack respect for the sexuality of straight men sometimes.
A gay man coming onto a straigh man can make a straight man feel uncomfortable in certain circumstances,it has happened to me before. Id image it's exactly how a woman feels when someone they really don't find attractive keeps coming up to them.I felt uncomfortable not because I was.afraid of being gay but because I was repulsed physically by the person and did not appreciate the attention.

I agree with your post completely (with the addition of the some!).

I had a close friend who was gay who held similar views, a lovely chap but he lost friends over this attitude and I had to point out to him how he behaved just wouldn't be tolerated by people who he expected to remains friends the same way if a guy was constantly sleezing onto his female friends.

I'd like to point out that its not the expression of interest thats offensive as such but the lack of respect of anothers sexuality and the manner which its done, another gay friend of mine briefly fancied me but he never made me feel uncomfortable or tried to pursue it because he understood my complete lack of interest.

On the argument about people who engage in homosexual activity (more than once and of their own free will), whats offensive about saying they are bisexual as well as being the category such as men who have sex with men that they choose to self identify as.

All bisexuality means is that a person has some level of attraction to both genders, to engage in consensual sex with another person of the same sex doesn't it require a level of sexual attraction or am I missing some aspect of this behavior that completely differs from heterosexual activity

Czarcasm · 16-11-2013 08:25PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

A sexual encounter with another man was probably when they were drunk.

Get over it.

I'm outa here.

More ill informed nonsense. It's not me needs to get over anything at all. It's probably for the best that you've decided to bow out of the discussion, perhaps now it can move on from your ill informed fantasies and generalisations.

Annasopra · 16-11-2013 08:39PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

On the argument about people who engage in homosexual activity (more than once and of their own free will), whats offensive about saying they are bisexual as well as being the category such as men who have sex with men that they choose to self identify as.

All bisexuality means is that a person has some level of attraction to both genders, to engage in consensual sex with another person of the same sex doesn't it require a level of sexual attraction or am I missing some aspect of this behavior that completely differs from heterosexual activity

Because they might not identify as bisexual and it's patronising and condescending to suggest that a person cannot choose how they identify themselves but their identity is dictated by others.

smurgen · 16-11-2013 08:40PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Could people stop forgetting that the actual figure for gay sex according to this survey is 13-15% not 25%

I agree with your post completely (with the addition of the some!).

I had a close friend who was gay who held similar views, a lovely chap but he lost friends over this attitude and I had to point out to him how he behaved just wouldn't be tolerated by people who he expected to remains friends the same way if a guy was constantly sleezing onto his female friends.

I'd like to point out that its not the expression of interest thats offensive as such but the lack of respect of anothers sexuality and the manner which its done, another gay friend of mine briefly fancied me but he never made me feel uncomfortable or tried to pursue it because he understood my complete lack of interest.

On the argument about people who engage in homosexual activity (more than once and of their own free will), whats offensive about saying they are bisexual as well as being the category such as men who have sex with men that they choose to self identify as.

All bisexuality means is that a person has some level of attraction to both genders, to engage in consensual sex with another person of the same sex doesn't it require a level of sexual attraction or am I missing some aspect of this behavior that completely differs from heterosexual activity

Agree with your post completely.

People here seem to be offended by the fact that straight men are not attracted to gay men.I don't think a man that engages is sexual activity with another man is straight,he's bisexual in my eyes. I have no problem respecting the sexuality of gay men or bisexual men once they follow the definition and not blurring them.I'm not homophobic in any way shape or form , I'm an extremely liberal person and I'd find the world a very boring place if everyone was a straight,white male like me.

smurgen · 16-11-2013 08:41PM

mango salsa wrote: »

Because they might not identify as bisexual

What you are and what you accept you are are two completly different things.

Annasopra · 16-11-2013 08:43PM

smurgen wrote: »

What you are and what you accept you are are two completly different things.

Again I ask who are you to dictate a persons identity? How would you feel if I insisted that I know your identity better than you?

Annasopra · 16-11-2013 08:45PM

smurgen wrote: »

Agree with your post completely.

People here seem to be offended by the fact that straight men are not attracted to gay men.I don't think a man that engages is sexual activity with another man is straight,he's bisexual in my eyes. I have no problem respecting the sexuality of gay men or bisexual men once they follow the definition and not blurring them.I'm not homophobic in any way shape or form , I'm an extremely liberal person and I'd find the world a very boring place if everyone was a straight,white male like me.

I don't think I've seen anyone here claiming offense that straight men are not attracted to gay men. Where is that?

25% of Irish men in their 20s have slept with another man

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