Tech workers pull in close to 50pc more than average wage

Mardy Bum · 13-11-2013 12:08AM

Grayson wrote: »

Ahh.. Ignorant. I see we've reduced ourselves to making personal attacks rather than actually trying to counter my post. I take it you're a teacher?

I said your attack was ignorant, not you. You made the presumption that teachers don't do professional development. You also seem to think teachers teach the same students for their entire career. Each new student requires a different approach. Your post was ignorant.

Good luck in your studies

jam_mac_jam · 13-11-2013 12:09AM

This is a bit of a stupid article. Well of course they do, most jobs would require a degree or a lot of training.

Grayson · 13-11-2013 12:22AM

Mardy Bum wrote: »

I said your attack was ignorant, not you. You made the presumption that teachers don't do professional development. You also seem to think teachers teach the same students for their entire career. Each new student requires a different approach. Your post was ignorant.

Good luck in your studies

So they spend the three months holidays preparing individually for each kid? The kids they don't know yet? Bollocks.

your answer is flimsy and didn't actually address my original point. That is that teachers claim they need three months to prepare so they can teach 2 + 2 again.

Freddy Smelly · 13-11-2013 12:23AM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

hardly surprising in fairness. It's an industry that requires high level qualifications for the most part so the pay reflects this.

true it can costs thousands of euro's to get relevant it certifications

cisco certified network courses, microsoft certified client/server/sql courses, citrix courses, and vmware & cloud computing courses aint that cheap.

L.Jenkins · 13-11-2013 12:25AM

NiallSparky wrote: »

Not massively surprising, it's still an industry where demand for skilled labour exceeds supply.

My hole demand exceeds supply! Have you tried getting a job even with experience in IT as of late?

Kikin · 13-11-2013 12:28AM

Itzy wrote: »

My hole demand exceeds supply! Have you tried getting a job even with experience in IT as of late?

It's demand for certain types of skills exceeding supply. What is your experience in exactly?

Freddy Smelly · 13-11-2013 12:28AM

hfallada wrote: »

Am I the only one who shocked how the German have structured their welfare system, that people will go to work earning like €4 an hour? Unlike people in Ireland moaning over how €8.65 isnt enough incentive to work( I work retail and know people on full time struggle).

rents are alot cheaper in germany though... its easier to live on €4 per hour there than it is here in rip off ireland

wexie · 13-11-2013 12:34AM

Itzy wrote: »

My hole demand exceeds supply! Have you tried getting a job even with experience in IT as of late?

nope, but I tend to get at least one email or phonecall a week from a recruitment agency looking for me to interview.

Can't be that bad out there

Dyr · 13-11-2013 12:38AM

Doug89 wrote: »

The education rate surely only counts actual teaching hours - no prep or correcting.

the education industry is'nt all about school teachers.

Stheno · 13-11-2013 12:42AM

wexie wrote: »

nope, but I tend to get at least one email or phonecall a week from a recruitment agency looking for me to interview.

Can't be that bad out there

Same here tbh (also work in IT)

AndonHandon · 13-11-2013 12:44AM

Grayson wrote: »

So they spend the three months holidays preparing individually for each kid? The kids they don't know yet? Bollocks.

your answer is flimsy and didn't actually address my original point. That is that teachers claim they need three months to prepare so they can teach 2 + 2 again.

Where have teachers claimed that they need the 3 months off to prepare basic lesson plans? The summer holidays are about the children having time off; the consequence of that is the teachers having the time off too.

Dyr · 13-11-2013 12:44AM

also I disregard most articles that use the term "tech". Solely the preserve of ****.

presumably the entire agriculture sector is now just called "veg"

Freddy Smelly · 13-11-2013 12:45AM

Bambi wrote: »

also I disregard most articles that use the term "tech". Solely the preserve of ****.

presumably the entire agriculture sector is now just called "veg"

no that would be the horticulture sector

agriculture also produce meat products

Dyr · 13-11-2013 12:47AM

Freddy Smelly wrote: »

no that would be the horticulture sector

agriculture also produce meat products

ehh..that's my point.

thanks anyway though

ted1 · 13-11-2013 12:48AM

Itzy wrote: »

My hole demand exceeds supply! Have you tried getting a job even with experience in IT as of late?

As stated before its a large industry. Anyone I know with a degree, relevant experience and a **** load of Cisco Certs as walking in and out if jobs as they please.

Are you looking fur a job in IT, what type experience and qualifications have you?

keith16 · 13-11-2013 12:52AM

Stheno wrote: »

Same here tbh (also work in IT)

IT is booming, particularly in Dublin. Loads of jobs out there.

wexie · 13-11-2013 12:57AM

keith16 wrote: »

IT is booming, particularly in Dublin. Loads of jobs out there.

Yup, with the right experience and qualifications the industry really isn't that bad, the big difference with a few years ago is back then you could just talk the talk. These days you gotta walk the walk as well.

But....wouldn't fancy looking for an IT job anywhere outside Dublin, Cork or Galway though.

Stheno · 13-11-2013 01:00AM

wexie wrote: »

Yup, with the right experience and qualifications the industry really isn't that bad, the big difference with a few years ago is back then you could just talk the talk. These days you gotta walk the walk as well.

But....wouldn't fancy looking for an IT job anywhere outside Dublin, Cork or Galway though.

Cork seems desperate to fill IT Jobs, I've had three agencies call and ask if I'd consider working there in the past two months.

One right clown rang me about a role in China!

wexie · 13-11-2013 01:03AM

Stheno wrote: »

Cork seems desperate to fill IT Jobs, I've had three agencies call and ask if I'd consider working there in the past two months.

One right clown rang me about a role in China!

China....hahaha, bitch of a commute

ian87 · 13-11-2013 01:04AM

Grayson wrote: »

So they spend the three months holidays preparing individually for each kid? The kids they don't know yet? Bollocks.

your answer is flimsy and didn't actually address my original point. That is that teachers claim they need three months to prepare so they can teach 2 + 2 again.

I'm a teacher and never once have I claimed to need 3 months to prepare how to teach 2 + 2 =. Nor for that matter have I heard my colleagues claim that. I do however need time outside of my teaching day to prepare lessons for my class based on the needs of both the class dynamic as a whole as well as the individual needs of some of whom have special educational needs.
I love my job, the sense of satisfaction I get from it puts a genuine smile on my face and there isn't a day I dread going into work. If I had to work 48 weeks a year I'd still be doing the same job and I'd love it just as much. So don't patronise me or my colleagues by coming out with posts saying people like me demand 3 months holidays to "prepare." Somebody who teaches for the holidays is the exception not the rule.

Stheno · 13-11-2013 01:05AM

wexie wrote: »

China....hahaha, bitch of a commute

They actually thought I'd consider moving there :eek:

wexie · 13-11-2013 01:08AM

Stheno wrote: »

They actually thought I'd consider moving there :eek:

Could be worse places....I guess, China wouldn't be high on my list though, not even sure it's on the list.
All depends on family and personal circumstances if I was young free and single I'd have been out of here already.

There have been times where I've wondered should I just pack up the family and leave as this country doesn't seem to be going anywhere in a hurry and I really don't want my kids to end up paying for this mess.

Not to China though, might consider the middle east for a bit though.

Stheno · 13-11-2013 01:09AM

wexie wrote: »

Could be worse places....I guess, China wouldn't be high on my list though.
All depends on family and personal circumstances.

There have been times where I've wondered should I just pack up the family and leave as this country doesn't seem to be going anywhere in a hurry and I really don't want my kids to end up paying for this mess.

Not to China though, might consider the middle east for a bit though.

High demand in China and the ME for the area I work in, slightly excluded from the ME as I'm female

Someone today was telling me they were considering a role in Papua New Guinea :pac:

Czarcasm · 13-11-2013 01:20AM

wexie wrote: »

Yup, with the right experience and qualifications the industry really isn't that bad, the big difference with a few years ago is back then you could just talk the talk. These days you gotta walk the walk as well.

But....wouldn't fancy looking for an IT job anywhere outside Dublin, Cork or Galway though.

Plenty of IT companies in Limerick wex, it's only the manufacturing operations part of Dell that closed down, but there are still nearly 2,000 employed in the R&D Solutions Centre facility, ties in closely with Graduates from UL and LIT -

http://www.limerickpost.ie/2011/06/07/dell-solution-centre-for-limerick/

There's also a good few smaller indigenous software design companies and IT Solutions providers, and the odd self-employed IT consultant... *cough*

It hasn't all been good news for IT companies in the Mid-West though -

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/consumer/over-1-5-million-affected-by-ennis-data-breach-1.1592128

dotsman · 13-11-2013 01:39AM

Freddy Smelly wrote: »

rents are alot cheaper in germany though... its easier to live on €4 per hour there than it is here in rip off ireland

Did you ever wonder why?

Eoin · 13-11-2013 01:44AM

Itzy wrote: »

My hole demand exceeds supply! Have you tried getting a job even with experience in IT as of late?

There's absolutely a shortage of experienced IT staff in many areas. I'd be very surprised if, say, a Java developer with 5+ years experience couldn't find a new role within a couple of weeks.

brevity wrote: »

It seems I'm being had because I've 3 years software development experience and I'm not making those figures...

3 years isn't that much experience though, so that stands to reason.

mint aero wrote:

IT sounds like a horrible grind of a career to me. I've no interest in it though.

IT has a lot of unhappy people who got into it because that's where they saw the job opportunities, but didn't have any interest in it. I can only imagine there are a lot of accountants, for example, in the same boat.

But on the other hand, as others have said, within IT there are a lot of different job types, ranging from very technical to more business/commercially focussed. There are also lots of jobs where someone from a non-IT background can adapt (BA, Product Management, Project Management etc).

April O Neill · 13-11-2013 03:39AM

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

hardly surprising in fairness. It's an industry that requires high level qualifications for the most part so the pay reflects this.

High level qualifications alone don't necessarily mean high pay. Ask many a PhD holder!

It's more about supply and demand.

April O Neill · 13-11-2013 03:45AM

hfallada wrote: »

Am I the only one who shocked how the German have structured their welfare system, that people will go to work earning like €4 an hour? Unlike people in Ireland moaning over how €8.65 isnt enough incentive to work( I work retail and know people on full time struggle).

Lower cost of living. Definitely way lower rents anyway, which is a huge chunk of anyone's income.

Menas · 13-11-2013 08:57AM

I have been working in IT for 20 years now and love it. The conditions suit me (very family friendly flexible working hours) and I get to travel a lot too which I like and I work with clients and colleagues from many countries.
Luckily I earn a decent living from my job.
Interestingly I am not a 'tech' person in the IT sense. I understand what the techies do but could not do it.
Many people are not suited to the industry and that is like trying to put a square peg in a round hole.

Elessar · 13-11-2013 09:10AM

What if you've no experience though? You will be hard pressed to find a job in IT.

I recently started an IT degree part time. In 4 years when I have my degree I can only hope I get a graduate position or I'd start getting really worried.

Everyone wants the "cream of the crop". No one wants to take unexperience people anymore. Even jobsbridge places are looking for experienced people only!

Tech workers pull in close to 50pc more than average wage

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