Tech workers pull in close to 50pc more than average wage

IvaBigWun

Looks like there's still plenty of money in IT and Cloud storage

Research from the Central Statistics Office tells us that workers in the information and communications sector earned an average of €52,035 last year – while those working in the accommodation and food services sector earned an average salary of just €16,319 or two-thirds less.

The average annual salary for 2012, across all sectors, was €36,079.

This means that pay packets in the construction industry, wholesale and retail trade sector, administrative and support services and arts and entertainment industries all fell below the national average.

Interestingly, wage statistics tell a different story when examined by their hourly rate.

On an hourly basis, workers in the education sector made the most last year – a whopping €35.47 per hour, on average. Salaries might be lower in teaching than in technology, but fewer working hours means teachers got more out for the amount of time they put in.

The lowest hourly earnings were again recorded in the accommodation and food service sector.

At an average of €12.48 an hour, this still came in far above the minimum hourly wage of €8.65.

In some countries, this is seen as a luxury. In Germany, despite the country's robust economic health, leading economic institutes issued stark warnings last week ahead of government talks on the introduction of a new minimum wage of €8.50.

They said the move could lead to significant job losses.

The issue has emerged as critical to the formation of a German government; the centre-left Social Democrats (SPD) have said they will refuse to form a government with Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives unless they agree to a nationwide minimum wage.

Unlike most EU countries, Germany has resisted a minimum wage, in part because it was seen as political interference in wage bargaining between unions and employers.

Instead it relies on collective wage deals by sector and region.

But reports of workers earning as little as €2 an hour have proliferated in recent years, particularly in eastern Germany.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/tech-workers-pull-in-close-to-50pc-more-than-average-wage-29745347.html

Cookie_Monster

hardly surprising in fairness. It's an industry that requires high level qualifications for the most part so the pay reflects this.

IvaBigWun

This graph shows the Accommodation and Food Service industries are the worst paying

http://cdn3.independent.ie/incoming/article29745207.ece/binary/BUSINESS-annual-earnings.png

Sonics2k

In before people start demanding teachers wages are cut.

Amirani

Not massively surprising, it's still an industry where demand for skilled labour exceeds supply.

keith16

I like money.

Doug89

The education rate surely only counts actual teaching hours - no prep or correcting.

afatbollix

Doug89 wrote: »

The education rate surely only counts actual teaching hours - no prep or correcting.

By the looks of it the writer was going for the shock factor. Kinda made me disregard her whole article.

pale blue dot cotton

I did a B.Sc 'tech degree'. Continuous assessment mainly group projects. If you've any sort of interest leave your job tomorrow. You'll have a degree in 3 years and if you're unemployed 6 months before applying, it won't cost you a thing.

Tell that to an American and watch their reaction.

BrokenArrows

I would think that the teachers hourly rate was calculated on their contracted hours. I have never met a teacher who worked anywhere near their contracted hours, always far more.

Donkey Oaty

BrokenArrows wrote: »

I would think that the teachers hourly rate was calculated on their contracted hours. I have never met a teacher who worked anywhere near their contracted hours, always far more.

Good holidays, though.

UCDVet

Hardly seems fair to compare industries that have different standards of education, experience, a knowledge.

Nothing wrong with any honest job, but realistically, I worked at McDonald's when I was 17 and could do any job in the place as good as most anyone else after a year.

You can't do that in IT. At least, I can't. And most people can't. It takes lots of training and education.

UCDVet

pale blue dot cotton wrote: »

I did a B.Sc 'tech degree'. Continuous assessment mainly group projects. If you've any sort of interest leave your job tomorrow. You'll have a degree in 3 years and if you're unemployed 6 months before applying, it won't cost you a thing.

Tell that to an American and watch their reaction.

They'd be shocked!
Until they saw your P60. Then they'd be shocked again, but for the opposite reason.

For a well-paid IT person, the US system would be more cost effective.
For a not-so-well paid person, the Irish system would be more cost effective.

Micky Dolenz

Has anyone said teachers should be flogged and paid with little packages of misery, yet?

Logo

Unlike the public sector tech workers aren't guaranteed a job for life. Tech workers pay is performance related.

BBJBIG

Teachers should be flogged and paid with little packages of misery.

Logo

How about teachers being paid on a performance-related basis like others in the private sector (and tax-free grinds to boost performance are not counted)

Amirani

Logo wrote: »

How about teachers being paid on a performance-related basis like others in the private sector (and tax-free grinds to boost performance are not counted)

How do you measure performance?

Grayson

I'm in It and earn far less than the average. I have multiple degrees (admittedly one's Philosophy)and am working on a masters. I work about 50 hours a week and spend another 30 in college/studying. **** you teachers. I really should have made different life choices. I could get 3 months holidays and complain about how I have to prepare for another year of teaching 2+2 instead of trying to keep up with an industry that does actually change on a weekly basis.

Grayson

NiallSparky wrote: »

How do you measure performance?

Illiteracy levels for a start.

Mr. CooL ICE

IvaBigWun wrote: »

This graph shows the Accommodation and Food Service industries are the worst paying

http://cdn3.independent.ie/incoming/article29745207.ece/binary/BUSINESS-annual-earnings.png

"Eduaction"

Heh

Mint Aero

IT sounds like a horrible grind of a career to me. I've no interest in it though.

Mardy Bum

Grayson wrote: »

I'm in It and earn far less than the average. I have multiple degrees (admittedly one's Philosophy)and am working on a masters. I work about 50 hours a week and spend another 30 in college/studying. **** you teachers. I really should have made different life choices. I could get 3 months holidays and complain about how I have to prepare for another year of teaching 2+2 instead of trying to keep up with an industry that does actually change on a weekly basis.

Embarrassing post.

Grayson

Mint Aero wrote: »

IT sounds like a horrible grind of a career to me. I've no interest in it though.

It's fcuking horrible.

hfallada

Am I the only one who shocked how the German have structured their welfare system, that people will go to work earning like €4 an hour? Unlike people in Ireland moaning over how €8.65 isnt enough incentive to work( I work retail and know people on full time struggle).

wexie

Mint Aero wrote: »

IT sounds like a horrible grind of a career to me. I've no interest in it though.

Can be, can also be great, really depends on what you do and who you're doing it for.

Really wish people would just stop saying 'IT' cause it's a very large industry, with many many different fields, specialisations and disciplines.

It's like saying 'finance', that could mean a Wallstreet trader, a Dublin mortgage broker or the guy who runs the currency exchange booth in Cape Town airport.

Grayson

Mardy Bum wrote: »

Embarrassing post.

Not really. In 12 months I'll have the masters and be gone. It'd be more embarrassing if I were to stay stuck in a job I hate, in a company I hate. The masters isn't in IT either but on the plus side the IT experience will do me well on the CV. I'm thinking of IT as the purgatory I have to endure to get somewhere better.

Mardy Bum

Grayson wrote: »

Not really. In 12 months I'll have the masters and be gone. It'd be more embarrassing if I were to stay stuck in a job I hate, in a company I hate. The masters isn't in IT either but on the plus side the IT experience will do me well on the CV. I'm thinking of IT as the purgatory I have to endure to get somewhere better.

I was talking about your ignorant attack on educators rather than your life choices.

brevity

It seems I'm being had because I've 3 years software development experience and I'm not making those figures...

danish pasterys

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

hardly surprising in fairness. It's an industry that requires high level qualifications for the most part so the pay reflects this.

Yeah like everyone goes on about IT IT, sounds like a job you just pick up like a trade but its not, arent all these IT jobs highly skilled ? Not everyone has the mind set to work in IT. The pay is high because not many can do it. If it were as easy as a trade to become a programmer after 4yrs there'd be alot more programmers thus employers being able to drop the wage, they need attractive salaries to attract the few high tech talented people out there.

Grayson

Mardy Bum wrote: »

I was talking about your ignorant attack on educators rather than your life choices.

Ahh.. Ignorant. I see we've reduced ourselves to making personal attacks rather than actually trying to counter my post. I take it you're a teacher?

Mardy Bum

Grayson wrote: »

Ahh.. Ignorant. I see we've reduced ourselves to making personal attacks rather than actually trying to counter my post. I take it you're a teacher?

I said your attack was ignorant, not you. You made the presumption that teachers don't do professional development. You also seem to think teachers teach the same students for their entire career. Each new student requires a different approach. Your post was ignorant.

Good luck in your studies

jam_mac_jam

This is a bit of a stupid article. Well of course they do, most jobs would require a degree or a lot of training.

Grayson

Mardy Bum wrote: »

I said your attack was ignorant, not you. You made the presumption that teachers don't do professional development. You also seem to think teachers teach the same students for their entire career. Each new student requires a different approach. Your post was ignorant.

Good luck in your studies

So they spend the three months holidays preparing individually for each kid? The kids they don't know yet? Bollocks.

your answer is flimsy and didn't actually address my original point. That is that teachers claim they need three months to prepare so they can teach 2 + 2 again.

Freddy Smelly

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

hardly surprising in fairness. It's an industry that requires high level qualifications for the most part so the pay reflects this.

true it can costs thousands of euro's to get relevant it certifications

cisco certified network courses, microsoft certified client/server/sql courses, citrix courses, and vmware & cloud computing courses aint that cheap.

L.Jenkins

NiallSparky wrote: »

Not massively surprising, it's still an industry where demand for skilled labour exceeds supply.

My hole demand exceeds supply! Have you tried getting a job even with experience in IT as of late?

Kikin

Itzy wrote: »

My hole demand exceeds supply! Have you tried getting a job even with experience in IT as of late?

It's demand for certain types of skills exceeding supply. What is your experience in exactly?

Freddy Smelly

hfallada wrote: »

Am I the only one who shocked how the German have structured their welfare system, that people will go to work earning like €4 an hour? Unlike people in Ireland moaning over how €8.65 isnt enough incentive to work( I work retail and know people on full time struggle).

rents are alot cheaper in germany though... its easier to live on €4 per hour there than it is here in rip off ireland

wexie

Itzy wrote: »

My hole demand exceeds supply! Have you tried getting a job even with experience in IT as of late?

nope, but I tend to get at least one email or phonecall a week from a recruitment agency looking for me to interview.

Can't be that bad out there

Dyr

Doug89 wrote: »

The education rate surely only counts actual teaching hours - no prep or correcting.

the education industry is'nt all about school teachers.

Stheno

wexie wrote: »

nope, but I tend to get at least one email or phonecall a week from a recruitment agency looking for me to interview.

Can't be that bad out there

Same here tbh (also work in IT)

AndonHandon

Grayson wrote: »

So they spend the three months holidays preparing individually for each kid? The kids they don't know yet? Bollocks.

your answer is flimsy and didn't actually address my original point. That is that teachers claim they need three months to prepare so they can teach 2 + 2 again.

Where have teachers claimed that they need the 3 months off to prepare basic lesson plans? The summer holidays are about the children having time off; the consequence of that is the teachers having the time off too.

Dyr

also I disregard most articles that use the term "tech". Solely the preserve of ****.

presumably the entire agriculture sector is now just called "veg"

Freddy Smelly

Bambi wrote: »

also I disregard most articles that use the term "tech". Solely the preserve of ****.

presumably the entire agriculture sector is now just called "veg"

no that would be the horticulture sector

agriculture also produce meat products

Dyr

Freddy Smelly wrote: »

no that would be the horticulture sector

agriculture also produce meat products

ehh..that's my point.

thanks anyway though

ted1

Itzy wrote: »

My hole demand exceeds supply! Have you tried getting a job even with experience in IT as of late?

As stated before its a large industry. Anyone I know with a degree, relevant experience and a **** load of Cisco Certs as walking in and out if jobs as they please.

Are you looking fur a job in IT, what type experience and qualifications have you?

keith16

Stheno wrote: »

Same here tbh (also work in IT)

IT is booming, particularly in Dublin. Loads of jobs out there.

wexie

keith16 wrote: »

IT is booming, particularly in Dublin. Loads of jobs out there.

Yup, with the right experience and qualifications the industry really isn't that bad, the big difference with a few years ago is back then you could just talk the talk. These days you gotta walk the walk as well.

But....wouldn't fancy looking for an IT job anywhere outside Dublin, Cork or Galway though.

Stheno

wexie wrote: »

Yup, with the right experience and qualifications the industry really isn't that bad, the big difference with a few years ago is back then you could just talk the talk. These days you gotta walk the walk as well.

But....wouldn't fancy looking for an IT job anywhere outside Dublin, Cork or Galway though.

Cork seems desperate to fill IT Jobs, I've had three agencies call and ask if I'd consider working there in the past two months.

One right clown rang me about a role in China!

wexie

Stheno wrote: »

Cork seems desperate to fill IT Jobs, I've had three agencies call and ask if I'd consider working there in the past two months.

One right clown rang me about a role in China!

China....hahaha, bitch of a commute

ian87

Grayson wrote: »

So they spend the three months holidays preparing individually for each kid? The kids they don't know yet? Bollocks.

your answer is flimsy and didn't actually address my original point. That is that teachers claim they need three months to prepare so they can teach 2 + 2 again.

I'm a teacher and never once have I claimed to need 3 months to prepare how to teach 2 + 2 =. Nor for that matter have I heard my colleagues claim that. I do however need time outside of my teaching day to prepare lessons for my class based on the needs of both the class dynamic as a whole as well as the individual needs of some of whom have special educational needs.
I love my job, the sense of satisfaction I get from it puts a genuine smile on my face and there isn't a day I dread going into work. If I had to work 48 weeks a year I'd still be doing the same job and I'd love it just as much. So don't patronise me or my colleagues by coming out with posts saying people like me demand 3 months holidays to "prepare." Somebody who teaches for the holidays is the exception not the rule.