Ad for JobBridge water meter "job" gets taken down

ted1 · 09-11-2013 02:24AM

ted1 wrote: »

Plenty of meters being installed in factories all around the country for sub metering different supplies. There's plenty of jobs for people with the right experience. Providing its a proper interim and had a road map with regards learning skills it would be of benefit

You don't know my skills I ddon't install meters I use the data they provide and ensure / instruct people hoe to

BillyMitchel · 09-11-2013 02:27AM

ted1 wrote: »

You don't know my skills I ddon't install meters I use the data they provide and ensure / instruct people hoe to

"You don't know my skill"

Who the fock are you? Napoleon Dynamite?!

Tombi! · 09-11-2013 03:25AM

Hello_MrFox wrote: »

Is there someone who polices the Jobs bridge initiative, ie, assessing whether a job is suitable to be placed on the scheme or if it should be a fully paid position? I wonder what the criteria is for these jobs.

AFAIK, no.
I remember years ago asking about a job on FÁS and the man that the contact number was for was shocked the job was still there on FÁS since he hired someone about two weeks previous.

It might have been changed over the years since Jobbridge first started but it's pretty much automated and if there's an issue with one, it takes the public to complain (a lot) just to get the things removed.

A_Sober_Paddy · 09-11-2013 03:36AM

strobe wrote: »

Where are the unions? Why aren't they calling for a general strike and boycotting of jobsbridge? The ****ing cheek of them parading up and down the streets patting themselves on the backs, teary eyed about 1913. Spineless weasels. Larkin would be rolling in his ****ing grave if they hadn't encased him in carbonite and stood him on o connel St.

Trade unions are the dregs of society up there with junkies and thieves...only care about themselves in the here and now

April O Neill · 09-11-2013 07:21AM

anncoates wrote: »

Ireland:

Get angry at your taxes subsidizing social welfare.

Don't get angry at your taxes subsidizing the wages of profitable companies.

The bizarre thing is, a lot of us *are* angry at the whole Jobsbridge shambles, but are getting ignored. There does seem to have been plenty of attempts to bring it to the general public's conscience. We just need a tipping point, something to bring it to a head. I honestly think a proportion of the country are just ignorant about what it actually entails.

One thing the whole thing informs me of is that there are plenty of employers out there, both domestic and foreign, who have no real interest in worker's rights and who would happily hire slave labour if the loopholes are available. Depressing.

Tombi! · 09-11-2013 07:55AM

April O Neill wrote: »

I honestly think a proportion of the country are just ignorant about what it actually entails.

Of course the majority have no clue what it entails.
It doesn't affect them.
As far as most people that aren't used to how the welfare works (with the constantly being lied to, back tracking and withholding various bits of info) it just looks like "oh we can get some of the people unemployed to work, sounds wonderful".

Even if it's brought to their attention they seem to ignore the fact of it because it's not going to have any effect on them.

mikemac1 · 09-11-2013 07:56AM

strobe wrote: »

Where are the unions? Why aren't they calling for a general strike and boycotting of jobsbridge? The ****ing cheek of them parading up and down the streets patting themselves on the backs, teary eyed about 1913. Spineless weasels.

A worker on 50 euro and dole per week won't be able to pay much in subs. No subs, no interest

Rod Serling · 09-11-2013 08:03AM

One of my personal favourites.

http://jobbridgetonowhere.tumblr.com/image/29907197182

Tombi! · 09-11-2013 08:17AM

Rod Serling wrote: »

One of my personal favourites.

http://jobbridgetonowhere.tumblr.com/image/29907197182

How... You could f**king learn that within a month, easily.
You'd be more likely to have issues with what chemical does what then learning how to f***ing move desks.

April O Neill · 09-11-2013 08:35AM

mikemac1 wrote: »

A worker on 50 euro and dole per week won't be able to pay much in subs. No subs, no interest

This, basically. Unions are only interested in giving publicity to glamorous causes.

SeaFields · 09-11-2013 09:02AM

NuckingFacker wrote: »

I pay my workers, I pay my taxes, and theirs, and I have to compete with fcukers paying €50 a week??.

The "employer" doesn't pay the 50 a week, the social welfare do so cost to employer is Zero....now I must look up that definition of slavery in the dictionary again.

Tombi! · 09-11-2013 09:17AM

SeaFields wrote: »

The "employer" doesn't pay the 50 a week, the social welfare do so cost to employer is Zero....now I must look up that definition of slavery in the dictionary again.

It isn't slavery. It's just being paid below minimum wage which is actually acceptable as you aren't really working but are considered not unemployed.

The welfare really covered all areas.

April O Neill · 09-11-2013 09:24AM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

It isn't slavery. It's just being paid below minimum wage which is actually acceptable as you aren't really working but are considered not unemployed.

And this is the problem. In most of these internships you'll work a long, hard full week.

Traditionally, internships would either but part-time to allow the intern to take part-time paid employment OR they would be full-time but would not be nine feckin' months long, more like two or three months. And some of those internships would pay even!

professore · 09-11-2013 09:28AM

strobe wrote: »

Where are the unions? Why aren't they calling for a general strike and boycotting of jobsbridge? The ****ing cheek of them parading up and down the streets patting themselves on the backs, teary eyed about 1913. Spineless weasels. Larkin would be rolling in his ****ing grave if they hadn't encased him in carbonite and stood him on o connel St.

Protecting the civil servants increments and pensions who dreamed up and administer this scheme.

Tombi! · 09-11-2013 09:33AM

April O Neill wrote: »

And this is the problem. In most of these internships you'll work a long, hard full week.

Traditionally, internships would either but part-time to allow the intern to take part-time paid employment OR they would be full-time but would not be nine feckin' months long, more like two or three months. And some of those internships would pay even!

I never said it's a good thing. I was pointing out that the welfare has themselves covered from every angle.
It's a "scheme" so you don't count as employed but you're not considered "unemployed" for purposes of the live register.

Of course it's terrible. It's just designed to attempt to look like the government is doing something.

professore · 09-11-2013 09:33AM

ted1 wrote: »

You don't know my skills I ddon't install meters I use the data they provide and ensure / instruct people hoe to

Clearly irreplaceable.

April O Neill · 09-11-2013 09:46AM

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I never said it's a good thing.

I know you didn't, I got what you meant.

bigblackmug · 09-11-2013 10:09AM

ted1 wrote: »

You don't know my skills I ddon't install meters I use the data they provide and ensure / instruct people hoe to

I'm now thinking of the movie office space

1st Bob: What you do at Initech is you take the specifications from the customer and bring them down to the software engineers?
Tom: Yes, yes that's right.
2nd Bob: Well then I just have to ask why can't the customers take them directly to the software people?
Tom: Well, I'll tell you why... because... engineers are not good at dealing with customers...
1st Bob: So you physically take the specs from the customer?
Tom: Well... No. My secretary does that... or they're faxed.
2nd Bob: So then you must physically bring them to the software people?
Tom: Well... No. ah sometimes.
1st Bob: What would you say you do here?
Tom: Look I already told you, I deal with the @#$% customers so the engineers don't have to. I have people skills! I am good at dealing with people, can't you understand that? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!

lightspeed · 09-11-2013 10:57AM

Stabshauptmann wrote: »

Been discussed to death.

There are some real jobs on jobsbridge, and some pointless ones that will give you no new skills and no hope of employment with that company.

Simply dont do the **** ones. Jobbridge is completely optional. Simples.

Many ppl I know have jobs now because of the experience they got on jobsbridge

Optional is quite a misrepresentation of the situation.

Have you read some of the posts here? Have you read of the graduate who cant get an intern position in his field because of Job bridge had filled them already? Which means he would have to quit his current job working in a cafe and go on the dole for months just to qualify for an job bridge free work scheme.

Have you read how companies are rehiring people under job bridge and so are not hiring actual paid positions? How optional is that for people on the dole looking for work to you know, help feed their families or even pay their mortgage.

Have you read how some salaried positions are having their hours cut and being replaced by interns?

Im lucky enough to be working but this scheme sounds damaging not just for the victims of it on the dole but the country as a whole.

Ireland is the third most indebted country in the EU and we have the highest birth rate in the EU. We dont really have the resources to currently deliver public services at the moment.

If people dont get off the dole and into actual salaried positions, the economy is not going to rise enough to meet the demand.

You can expect further cuts to public services and increases in income tax down the line.

Would you consider job bridge a fair and optional scheme that benefits the people and the country then?

I heard on sky news a while ago that Tesco in the Uk were doing a similar scheme in the UK and came under a lot of heat for it.

Corporate capitalism at its finest.

anncoates · 09-11-2013 03:46PM

Canard wrote: »

What? This whole thread is about people angry about JobsBridge.

Ireland ! =thread

brokenarms · 09-11-2013 10:23PM

strobe wrote: »

Where are the unions? Why aren't they calling for a general strike and boycotting of jobsbridge? The ****ing cheek of them parading up and down the streets patting themselves on the backs, teary eyed about 1913. Spineless weasels. Larkin would be rolling in his ****ing grave if they hadn't encased him in carbonite and stood him on o connel St.

Unions need people who can afford their weekly union fee.

How else to you expect those fancy pants in Mandate and siptu to pay for their children's collage fees, when giving free union cover to jobsbridge poor people.

IvaBigWun · 10-11-2013 05:07PM

Rod Serling wrote: »

One of my personal favourites.

http://jobbridgetonowhere.tumblr.com/image/29907197182

Thats a fcuking disgrace

10-11-2013 05:26PM

Friend of mine is on an internship. He was told by the DSP that he had the choice of taking an internship or having his JSA docked by up to €44 a week. He was presented with a choice if four internships. The choices were as a cleaner in a large company, a cashier in a thriving local business, shelf stacker in a supermarket or a receptionist in a business that had recently let their Secretary go.

He argued and fought and refused to take a internship that should be a paid position. He went home and thought nothing more about it till a month later hegot a phiphone call telling him that his jobsbridge was beginning the following Monday. He did everythinghe could to get out of it but was given the choice between losing his benefits or taking the internship. He favored the latter and is now 8 weeks into an internship where he gets up a 6:30 am and travels for an hour for an 8am start. He then works till 5pm during which time he makes tea, makes copies, is sent to the shop 4 or 5 times a day to get crisps and sweets for the staff, has twice washed the bosses car and last week was asked to unblock a toilet. He absolutely hates the internship and it's costing him over a 100 Euro a week between travel and food meaning that he's worse off as a result.

dxhound2005 · 10-11-2013 05:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Friend of mine is on an internship. He was told by the DSP that he had the choice of taking an internship or having his JSA docked by up to €44 a week. He was presented with a choice if four internships. The choices were as a cleaner in a large company, a cashier in a thriving local business, shelf stacker in a supermarket or a receptionist in a business that had recently let their Secretary go.

He argued and fought and refused to take a internship that should be a paid position. He went home and thought nothing more about it till a month later hegot a phiphone call telling him that his jobsbridge was beginning the following Monday. He did everythinghe could to get out of it but was given the choice between losing his benefits or taking the internship. He favored the latter and is now 8 weeks into an internship where he gets up a 6:30 am and travels for an hour for an 8am start. He then works till 5pm during which time he makes tea, makes copies, is sent to the shop 4 or 5 times a day to get crisps and sweets for the staff, has twice washed the bosses car and last week was asked to unblock a toilet. He absolutely hates the internship and it's costing him over a 100 Euro a week between travel and food meaning that he's worse off as a result.

Your friend is a very determined person. He should be prepared to challenge the position which he finds himself in. There would appear to be good grounds and nothing to lose.

http://www.jobbridge.ie/toolkit/faqintern.pdf

16. What if I start an internship and I realise this placement is not for me, can I do
another?
One week’s notice must be given by either party. The Host Organisation must log-on
to their JobBridge account and enter the early completion (Actual Finish Date)
immediately after early completion date.
Individuals may avail of a maximum of 3 JobBridge internships, however, the total
cumulative time spent on the Scheme cannot exceed 18 months (78 weeks). An
Intern will not be permitted to do more than one internship with the same Host
Organisation. The maximum duration of an individual internship is 9 months (39
weeks).

21. Who will look after me during my placement?
The Host Organisation will nominate an individual to support and/or mentor you
during your placement. This person will have responsibility to ensure that you
receive a proper induction, ensure that your work experience as described in the
standard agreement is progressing and that monthly compliance checks are being
completed (to ensure your internship allowance continues to be paid by DSP). If an
organisation has a formal mentoring programme, they should include you in this
programme.

29. What if the Internship is not working out as I expected?
Workplace issues should be resolved with the Host Organisation.
If the internship is not working out as expected you should discuss this with the
person that is supervising/mentoring your internship. If this does not resolve the issue
you can contact us by sending an email to jobbridge@welfare.ie providing the
following: Your name, contact details, the Host Organisation name, internship title
and brief outline of the issue.

oceanman · 10-11-2013 05:58PM

anncoates wrote: »

Ireland:

Get angry at your taxes subsidizing social welfare.

Don't get angry at your taxes subsidizing the wages of profitable companies.

easy to be a profitable company when you are availingl of free labour!

Nate--IRL-- · 10-11-2013 06:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Friend of mine is on an internship. He was told by the DSP that he had the choice of taking an internship or having his JSA docked by up to €44 a week.

Somebody is lying to your friend, or misrepresenting the truth here. There is no basis for his JSA to be docked for not doing a JobBridge.

Nate

Stabshauptmann · 11-11-2013 02:07AM

lightspeed wrote: »

the graduate who cant get an intern position in his field because of Job bridge had filled them already

The graduate cannot get an entry level position because an experienced, trained, qualified person in that industry is now redundant and looking for work.

Graduates cannot compete with experienced people who have become redundant, the only way they can compete is to get experience. The only way a company will give them that opportunity is with a state subsidy.

Have you read how companies are rehiring people under job bridge and so are not hiring actual paid positions

Report them, breaking the law.

Have you read how some salaried positions are having their hour cut and being replaced by interns?

Report them, breaking the law.

Yes I have read all the stories in the paper, AH, radio and TV. The scheme is not being run properly, and people are taking advantage - but my advice is to report companies breaking the law, and encourage those on the dole not to do pointless internships, because yes, they are optional.

Mrs Garth Brooks · 11-11-2013 10:26AM

So get some poor fella to install water meters. And for what to tax the lot of us.

11-11-2013 11:38AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Your friend is a very determined person. He should be prepared to challenge the position which he finds himself in. There would appear to be good grounds and nothing to lose.

http://www.jobbridge.ie/toolkit/faqintern.pdf

16. What if I start an internship and I realise this placement is not for me, can I do
another?
One week’s notice must be given by either party. The Host Organisation must log-on
to their JobBridge account and enter the early completion (Actual Finish Date)
immediately after early completion date.
Individuals may avail of a maximum of 3 JobBridge internships, however, the total
cumulative time spent on the Scheme cannot exceed 18 months (78 weeks). An
Intern will not be permitted to do more than one internship with the same Host
Organisation. The maximum duration of an individual internship is 9 months (39
weeks).

21. Who will look after me during my placement?
The Host Organisation will nominate an individual to support and/or mentor you
during your placement. This person will have responsibility to ensure that you
receive a proper induction, ensure that your work experience as described in the
standard agreement is progressing and that monthly compliance checks are being
completed (to ensure your internship allowance continues to be paid by DSP). If an
organisation has a formal mentoring programme, they should include you in this
programme.

29. What if the Internship is not working out as I expected?
Workplace issues should be resolved with the Host Organisation.
If the internship is not working out as expected you should discuss this with the
person that is supervising/mentoring your internship. If this does not resolve the issue
you can contact us by sending an email to jobbridge@welfare.ie providing the
following: Your name, contact details, the Host Organisation name, internship title
and brief outline of the issue.

Nate--IRL-- wrote: »

Somebody is lying to your friend, or misrepresenting the truth here. There is no basis for his JSA to be docked for not doing a JobBridge.

Nate

He's aware of all the things he can do but from what was inferred during his meeting with the DSP is that if he kicks up, he will be a person of interest so to speak. He'd rather keep his head down and get it over with than draw an bullseye on his back.

IvaBigWun · 11-11-2013 03:21PM

Deleted User wrote: »

He's aware of all the things he can do but from what was inferred during his meeting with the DSP is that if he kicks up, he will be a person of interest so to speak. He'd rather keep his head down and get it over with than draw an bullseye on his back.

So they basically threatened him?

Ad for JobBridge water meter "job" gets taken down

Comments