Teen Seeking Help After Car Accident Rang Doorbell, Was Shot In The Head

Overheal · 08-11-2013 07:51PM

your own stereotype then. I could say the same sense of insecurity was felt when I walked through Dublin. Actually I never felt iffy walking through Limerick, and Seattle was so long ago (I'm originally from Everett)

Kev_2012 · 08-11-2013 11:57PM

Overheal wrote: »

your own stereotype then. I could say the same sense of insecurity was felt when I walked through Dublin. Actually I never felt iffy walking through Limerick, and Seattle was so long ago (I'm originally from Everett)

Limerick is grand, I've been saying this for years. I was fine in Seattle, it was just the gun thing was stuck in my head. I even found it odd here when I see the police with guns. We went to a nightclub called ampersand and it was all hip hop music and my friends and I were literally the only white people and everyone else was waaaaay taller than me (I'm 6 foot!). I was dwarved, was a funny night!

czx · 09-11-2013 01:33AM

Billy86 wrote: »

What in his post hinted at him smoking weed?

The BS, mostly

Seaneh · 09-11-2013 01:39AM

Overheal wrote: »

I would say D'troit, actually. That city has fallen apart so badly that it's effectively 3rd World.

That's what happens when "free market capitalists" like Romney are allowed to govern a state for so long.

'Murkia.

edit:
Actually, he was governed of, MA, not MI, sorry.

czx · 09-11-2013 01:40AM

Seaneh wrote: »

That's what happens when "free market capitalists" like Romney are allowed to govern a state for so long.

'Murkia.

And this is why there is such interest in US gun crime

Mmmm_Lemony · 09-11-2013 08:31PM

When you are showing someone something on a computer and they....I almost can't write it....they...touch the screen..

WHY???!?

You greasy fingered ****!

Timmyctc · 09-11-2013 08:41PM

Mmmm_Lemony wrote: »

When you are showing someone something on a computer and they....I almost can't write it....they...touch the screen..

WHY???!?

You greasy fingered ****!

Is that why she got shot in the head you reckon?

Billy86 · 09-11-2013 08:41PM

czx wrote: »

The BS, mostly

He said "America is a gun infested **** hole" I still don't see anything to hint at him him smoking weed or 'BS'. It's his opinion and he is entitled to it - America does have a sh!tload of guns in public possession, so yeah it is kind of gun infested... and while he was off calling the whole country a **** hole, Detroit kind of is.

Just seems a very 'stock' response on your part, to be honest. The whole 'anyone who isn't in favour of guns-for-all must be a weed smoking stoner hippy"
thing.

Red Nissan · 09-11-2013 08:48PM

Timmyctc wrote: »

Is that why she got shot in the head you reckon?

Knock on door, angry gun totting resident answers with gun raised in defense, "intruder" raises arms and turns to flee, instinct takes over and a shot is fired.

It may be a tragic circumstance, but it's a ruse all too often used and home defense classes teach residents to watch out for signs, this was one.

Timmyctc · 09-11-2013 08:50PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Knock on door, angry gun totting resident answers with gun raised in defense, "intruder" raises arms and turns to flee, instinct takes over and a shot is fired.

It may be a tragic circumstance, but it's a ruse all too often used and home defense classes teach residents to watch out for signs, this was one.

Instinct? Because the natural instinct when someone is fleeing from you is to murder them? An unarmed woman who posed absolutely no threat? (going by what has been reported)

If so, thats some ****ed up instinct you have.

MadsL · 09-11-2013 08:51PM

Red Nissan wrote: »

Knock on door, angry gun totting resident answers with gun raised in defense, "intruder" raises arms and turns to flee, instinct takes over and a shot is fired.

It may be a tragic circumstance, but it's a ruse all too often used and home defense classes teach residents to watch out for signs, this was one.

Or the lack of proper trigger discipline causes unintended discharge.

MadsL · 09-11-2013 08:52PM

Timmyctc wrote: »

Instinct? Because the natural instinct when someone is fleeing from you is to murder them? An unarmed woman who posed absolutely no threat? (going by what has been reported)

If so, thats some ****ed up instinct you have.

It has been reported the gun went off accidentally.

Are you usually at your most alert at 3am?

Timmyctc · 09-11-2013 08:56PM

MadsL wrote: »

It has been reported the gun went off accidentally.

Are you usually at your most alert at 3am?

Perhaps he shouldn't have had his gun trained at the woman's head so and his finger on the trigger when she had posed no threat.

MadsL · 09-11-2013 09:06PM

Timmyctc wrote: »

Perhaps he shouldn't have had his gun trained at the woman's head so and his finger on the trigger when she had posed no threat.

Oh, you were there? Do tell us more how she was absolutely no threat or perceived threat..do you often have people ringing your doorbell at 3am?

Timmyctc · 09-11-2013 09:11PM

MadsL wrote: »

Oh, you were there? Do tell us more how she was absolutely no threat or perceived threat..do you often have people ringing your doorbell at 3am?

I've answered the door at 3am in the recent past in what is considered a very dodgy area. We had a bat near the door on the off chance anything untoward happened. Never did I answer the door swinging the bat at people who knocked at the door

I can't imagine a girl who just had a car crash decided, instead of knocking at a door for some help, to attempt to assault/rob/aggravate an armed man.

MadsL · 09-11-2013 09:16PM

Timmyctc wrote: »

I've answered the door at 3am in the recent past in what is considered a very dodgy area. We had a bat near the door on the off chance anything untoward happened. Never did I answer the door swinging the bat at people who knocked at the door

I can't imagine a girl who just had a car crash decided, instead of knocking at a door for some help, to attempt to assault/rob/aggravate an armed man.

I see. So you have a plan for dodgy situations (a bat) but the guy with the gun is out of order.

Interesting.

Is your dodgy area as dodgy as Detroit?

Red Nissan · 09-11-2013 09:16PM

Timmyctc wrote: »

Instinct? Because the natural instinct when someone is fleeing from you is to murder them? An unarmed woman who posed absolutely no threat? (going by what has been reported)

If so, thats some ****ed up instinct you have.

Objection. Leading the witness. Sustained.

I said shoot.

If one has been to classes and to firearms training, yes, instinct.

Murder implies intent.

Oregano_State · 09-11-2013 09:22PM

MadsL wrote: »

Almost everything about that sentence is factually incorrect.
There are 220,000 firearms in Ireland.
And Detroit, Illinois remains the only state in the US with no provision to let private citizens carry guns in public.

So, of course all four new stories totally reflect each countries attitude to gun control. Could you all just try thinking for a minute?

Ummmmmmmm, Detroit is not in Illinois, it's in Michigan.

I was there a few weeks ago, and of the few people I met, one had a concealed carry license for a handgun.

I've lived in Ireland my whole life, and never met anyone who owns a gun.

Get your facts straight.

Timmyctc · 09-11-2013 09:23PM

MadsL wrote: »

I see. So you have a plan for dodgy situations (a bat) but the guy with the gun is out of order.

Interesting.

Is your dodgy area as dodgy as Detroit?

Because as stated I never answered with the door with the plan B so much as in my hand, nevermind opening the door swinging it at whoever was outside's face.

Probably not however on my last day there I did see a family of four get assaulted on the street by a very junkie-esque woman in her 20s while a guy with a pitbull watched.

Red Nissan wrote: »

Objection. Leading the witness. Sustained.

I said shoot.

If one has been to classes and to firearms training, yes, instinct.

Murder implies intent.

Fine, commit Manslaughter so. Whatever semantics make you feel better. If they actually teach you to shoot (in the head, so if you aren't trying to murder them, youre shooting them wrong) someone who is fleeing in terror then they teach you ****ing wrong.

Red Nissan · 09-11-2013 09:31PM

Timmyctc wrote: »

Fine, commit Manslaughter so. Whatever semantics make you feel better. If they actually teach you to shoot (in the head, so if you aren't trying to murder them, youre shooting them wrong) someone who is fleeing in terror then they teach you ****ing wrong.

OK, disable.

Should it be that way, no sir, absolutely not, I agree. But it is, why?

And actually don't ask me, find and ask the people who made it that way.

MadsL · 09-11-2013 09:36PM

Oregano_State wrote: »

Ummmmmmmm, Detroit is not in Illinois, it's in Michigan.

I already apologised for that - I'm on some pain meds at the moment.

I was there a few weeks ago, and of the few people I met, one had a concealed carry license for a handgun.

Oh.

I've lived in Ireland my whole life, and never met anyone who owns a gun.

That they have told you.

Get your facts straight.

There are 220,000 gun licenses in Ireland, so you probably ought to get yours straight. Chances are that you haven't managed to completely avoid almost 5% of the population.

MadsL · 09-11-2013 09:38PM

Timmyctc wrote: »

Because as stated I never answered with the door with the plan B so much as in my hand, nevermind opening the door swinging it at whoever was outside's face.
.

Again. it appears you were there. Could you tell us all what happened?

Perhaps you could also explain why you keep a bat by the door?

tayto lover · 09-11-2013 09:40PM

Yanks and guns. Bad chemistry.

Red Nissan · 09-11-2013 09:41PM

MadsL wrote: »

There are 220,000 gun licenses in Ireland, so you probably ought to get yours straight. Chances are that you haven't managed to completely avoid almost 5% of the population.

And never forget those machine gun toting road blocks by CID, army road blocks and all before the RRU Armed units, and we have ALL been stopped by those guys, or else we live in a fridge.

MadsL · 09-11-2013 09:41PM

tayto lover wrote: »

Yanks and guns. Bad chemistry.

That's Albuquerque, not Detroit

Timmyctc · 09-11-2013 09:45PM

MadsL wrote: »

Again. it appears you were there. Could you tell us all what happened?

Perhaps you could also explain why you keep a bat by the door?

I literally explained above as I mentioned it.

I've noticed that your rebuttals in this entire thread generally consist of strawmanning and Sarcastic remarks that neither further your own point nor refute your opponents. Kudos! I'mma unsub as I'm pretty sure I've read your childish sarcastic rebuttal about 8 times at this point. I look forward to the new extended arguement you come up with on the inevitable next American firearm thread on AH.

Red Nissan · 09-11-2013 09:54PM

Timmyctc wrote: »

you come up with on the inevitable next American firearm thread on AH.

You might be right, you might be wrong. PM me on the next thread, but only if it is of interest, in this particular case, in this particular district, if the race card had not been played, it would have gone unreported in the media.

How many teenagers have been shot dead in this district since this thread started, how many are we discussing?

MadsL · 09-11-2013 09:55PM

Timmyctc wrote: »

I literally explained above as I mentioned it.

I've noticed that your rebuttals in this entire thread generally consist of strawmanning and Sarcastic remarks that neither further your own point nor refute your opponents. Kudos! I'mma unsub as I'm pretty sure I've read your childish sarcastic rebuttal about 8 times at this point. I look forward to the new extended arguement you come up with on the inevitable next American firearm thread on AH.

I guess you cannot come up with an argument to justify your keeping a self-defence weapon next to your front door whilst at the same time condemning someone else doing the same. Nor can you explain how you know the circumstances of this case so well that you know details that are completely unreported.

When that's pointed out to you - you make personal remarks and flounce out of the thread.

Adios.

Irlandczyk · 09-11-2013 11:56PM

MadsL wrote: »

I guess you cannot come up with an argument to justify your keeping a self-defence weapon next to your front door whilst at the same time condemning someone else doing the same. Nor can you explain how you know the circumstances of this case so well that you know details that are completely unreported.

When that's pointed out to you - you make personal remarks and flounce out of the thread.

Adios.

What does one have to do to warrant being shot in the head, in your opinion? Let alone someone who has crashed their car and is looking for help. I don't think anyone really is condemning the person for having a self-defence weapon near the door. They're condemning the person for having used it to shoot someone in the head. I can't think of a single reason why that person needed to shoot her, and even if the person did, even if it was self-defence, even if the person's finger slipped; why was the gun pointed at her head at all?

MadsL · 10-11-2013 12:39AM

Irlandczyk wrote: »

What does one have to do to warrant being shot in the head, in your opinion? Let alone someone who has crashed their car and is looking for help. I don't think anyone really is condemning the person for having a self-defence weapon near the door. They're condemning the person for having used it to shoot someone in the head. I can't think of a single reason why that person needed to shoot her, and even if the person did, even if it was self-defence, even if the person's finger slipped; why was the gun pointed at her head at all?

I don't know the full circumstances.

But, Americans do have a right to defend their property, and themselves and family on their own property. What happens after that it up to them to justify to the cops, or possibly a court of law.

As is also the case in Ireland.

Teen Seeking Help After Car Accident Rang Doorbell, Was Shot In The Head

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